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musicvid10 wrote on 8/18/2010, 10:12 AM
M-Audio Profire 2626 is worth looking at.
Not as many inputs, but the A&H ZED R-16 mixer is an interesting solution.

For live events, we often pre-mix down to 6 tracks, but I can appreciate you wanting that level of control.
LongTallTexan wrote on 8/18/2010, 11:24 AM
So three of these guys I supose on three seperate firewire cards?? Vegas will arm to each input from Track


L.T.
musicvid10 wrote on 8/18/2010, 1:04 PM
Not quite sure of your question.
Each of the options I mentioned is a discrete Firewire audio interface, with the number of simultaneous I/O channels listed in their specs.
Geoff_Wood wrote on 8/18/2010, 3:34 PM
I've been happily using my MOTU 24i for many years now. You need a PCI slot though, for the associated PCI324/424 host card.

No complaints about the sound quality (limited to 48K/24 max).

geoff
LarryP wrote on 8/18/2010, 5:47 PM
Also been using the 24i/o for 6 years and also very happy. The newer i/o version is available with either a PCI or PCIe card.

Having the PC interface inside of the case on a high speed bus is a plus.

Larry
LongTallTexan wrote on 8/20/2010, 4:30 PM
Thanks for the feedback. My endless journey to have all sources from the live event straight to the timeline. Now if we can just get multiple video streams recording to timeline simultaneously with 24 tracks of audio. Seems years away but this is a nice start.

L.T.
farss wrote on 8/21/2010, 4:36 PM
"My endless journey to have all sources from the live event straight to the timeline"

This is more difficult issue than you may at first realise. Being able to record 24 tracks is the least of the problem, getting access to the sources is the real problem.

The venue will have its own desk, cabling, mics and a body to run it all. Trust me, do not expect that body to take kindly to you wanting access to his sources. His job is the front of house mix and that's a hard enough job without you getting in the way making demands or worse causing him problems with earth loops and other nasties.

If it's a small venue then Musicvids suggestion of the ZED R16 is very good. That solution gives you a medium size FOH mixer AND the ability to record 16 tracks from the same sources. The only issue you have to wrangle then is you are also responsible for the FOH mix. The usual body may be willing to fill the role or you may have to find your own guy. Perhaps consider expanding your business to offer a complete service or else get very friendly with an existing business.

I've been mulling over the exact same issue for some time myself. I don't have an ideal answer that's technically and economically viable so for now, for once, I've kept my hands out of my pocket.

In the larger venues I've managed to get the FOH guy to give me my own mix. If you're really nice to these guys, don't expect them to provide things like cables and line isolators etc and they have a couple of extra busses and the time you can get a good mix from them. At my last "big" event the venue's audio guy was really helpfull and I got 4 (2x stereo) channels from him which married nicely into my 4 track recorder and that was enough to produce a slightly better mix for the DVD than what was the FOH mix on the day.

Bob.

Bob.
musicvid10 wrote on 8/21/2010, 5:30 PM
Agree 100% with Bob.
Usually, we end up with a stereo mix from the stage (with bodypacks panned dead center), a stereo mix from the pit (on a sub from the board), and a stereo pair from the back of house for the applause and rear 5.1.

Letting Pluraleys do all the alignment, widening the orchestra a bit, and delaying the rear 15ms results in a warm, natural surround mix, evocative of the live event.
LongTallTexan wrote on 8/22/2010, 6:27 PM
Not the issue. We have a transformer isolated split we generally come off of the monitor snake. We go into 3 presonsos units for preamps and then into an Alesia hd24. We already do this for all of our shows I just want to take the hd24 out of the process and go straight into Vegas as that is where I mix down for my multicam shows. Learned a long time ago, get split before it gets to FOH and most bands are good with it.

L.T.
LongTallTexan wrote on 8/22/2010, 6:37 PM
Should have qualified this is for a concert tv series. We have been recording 24 tr multi for several years now. Have 30 bands already and airing across Texas And Luisianna. I just love that Vegas can handle 24 tracks audio and six video slices on the timeline. I edit all my shows this way and now with closed captioning commands. The archived file has all aspects of the project internal. Don't understand with Vegas being capable of recording 24 treks to timeline, why not a couple of video tracks to. Just my super mega wish list. Thanks for the advice everyone.

L.T.

Website if interested
www.texasroadhouselive.com
jwcarney wrote on 9/19/2010, 1:17 PM
Pretty cool site. I listen to the Texas Blues Cafe podcast everytime it gets released.
Wonder if Vegas could handle the video if you had a HP Z800 workstation with a couple of high performance Xeons and 64 gigs of ram and really fast Raid 5?
hehehe.
richard-courtney wrote on 9/20/2010, 8:58 AM
I can't say it is the BEST but I am looking at Ethersound systems.

See my "Digital Snake" thread in this forum.

Auvitran has a driver and AVM500-ES EtherSound matrix router
http://www.auvitran.com/www/index.php?page=avs-asio

Along with appropriate hardware - two Yamaha SB168-ES EtherSound stage boxes in my case
http://www.yamahacommercialaudiosystems.com/product_detail.php?prodID=1093
and a gigabit network interface.