Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? -ACID Product Family

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Subject:Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Posted by: rusty Date:7/12/2001 4:10:24 PM Hi! Is all of the materail on the Acid Pro CD -- songs, music, loops, whatever -- royalty free? Rusty
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: Iacobus Date:7/12/2001 4:21:17 PM Does a bear relieve itself in the woods? ;o) Seriously, yes, any loops from Sonic Foundry, including the ones on the ACID CD-ROM, are royalty-free. You can use them for any projects--from personal to business and professional use. One caveat: You CANNOT include or redistribute them as part of a collection (like a loop/sample library) for sale (or even free for that matter). Big no-no. As for the songs (projects)? I think the arrangement itself is protected by whoever made them, which is logical. I wouldn't want to labor over a project and have someone steal it for their own profit. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: filtersweep Date:7/14/2001 12:14:56 PM Sure they are royalty free, but can you live with the thought that thousands upon thousands of people have all heard these loops a million times or can spot them from a mile away?
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: Iacobus Date:7/14/2001 12:56:59 PM And therein lies the challenge. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: Maruuk Date:7/14/2001 2:15:53 PM The general public can't identify 'em though. Heck, re-use of basic groove elements IS the industry.
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: gbat Date:7/14/2001 9:52:37 PM Ya, I thought about folks hearing my music and recognizing the loops. Not many folks would though, I don't think, except maybe other musicians. Nonetheless, I try to change things around and make the loops my own version of them with plugs and twiddling and also mix in my synth and guitar music. Amazing how un-loopy it can sound when you add some other elements. I love this program! What a great tool!
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: synthman1128 Date:7/15/2001 5:55:13 AM I know. That's why I mask the loops as much as I can so that nobody can recognize them. Tweak, slice+dice, add tons of fx, whatever. If somebody comes up to you and said, " Hey, I know that sound!" , then your dead. Hehehe. That would be pretty embarassing.
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: Iacobus Date:7/15/2001 3:20:18 PM I wouldn't consider using pre-made loops embarrassing at all. Arranging is an art just as much as actually creating the sound is. To hell with those who think otherwise. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: gbat Date:7/15/2001 4:09:47 PM Ya got a point there, Iacobus! Considering that all musicians have had to work with down through the ages is a very limited anount of notes! You don't hear anyone say, "Hey, wait a minute, I heard that note in a Beatles song! What a rip-off!" Our loops, being royalty free, are like sounds in a synth. We are not embarrassed about using those. I guess the only thing we have to be concerned about is someone making a loop famous and then when you use it, folks think you ripped them off. But there is a lot of sampled music that purposely derives from famous riffs and phrases and, like you said, the art is in the arranging.
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: Maruuk Date:7/16/2001 3:02:17 PM Exactly--there's been hits for years stealing riffs, whole grooves, drum grooves, entire passages whatever--the public actually LIKES recycled stuff, as long as it has a creative twist.
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: Tede Date:7/16/2001 7:40:43 PM Does anyone know EXACTLY what the law is on the "borrowed" loop question ? (I'm really asking....I really don't know) For example, if I record just the bass intro to a famous song, then chopper the bass line into an entirely different riff and use it in a song that get radio play, can the original band/record company come back, sue and WIN ? I can't believe this is possible. For example, a current SF remix contest by "Mint Royale" featured an opening riff, note for note ripoff of "Lucretia McEvil" by Blood, Sweat and Tears (the old horn group) and then called it "Shake Me"........hahaha........talk about NERVE! Listen to this if you haven't heard it: http://www.acidplanet.com/contests/mintroyale/default.asp But I've been under the impression that it was not copyright infringement if you copied an arrangement for 4 bars or less. This is why I can't believe that taking a single instrument loop from a commercial LP and using the chopper on it, could result in some kind of claim against the (us) the remixers. Is there any REAL case law established about this practice ? Thanks, Tede
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: Chadwick Date:7/16/2001 8:37:40 PM Quote - "there's been hits for years stealing riffs, whole grooves, drum grooves, entire passages whatever" There's also been writers being dragged into court for years for stealing riffs, whole grooves, drum grooves, entire passages whatever. Bottom line: broadcasting any audio from someone else's song within your own song is illegal. You may get away with it for a while, like speeding, but sooner or later you'll get a phone call from the law firm for some publishing house, and then you'll feel your blood run cold, and your palms go sweaty. There is a whole new area of publishing which has grown up to accomodate the popularity of including other peoples music within your own material. Before you take a chance on not getting caught, why not make a few calls and find out how much it would cost to do it legally?
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: Maruuk Date:7/16/2001 8:50:14 PM Nonsense-only top acts compensate the original artists these days, and that only out of professional courtesy. Sampling is so ubiquitous it's quite out of control, plus the courts have eroded the stuffing out of the issue by granting broad parody rights in the area of music, and in a wide variety of sampling cases. Now we're not talking about ripping more than 6 bars of a tune here, and we're not talking about the intellectual property rights of a song's publisher, which still holds as much sway as ever (see George Harrison vs. the Shirells in the "He's So Fine" case). We're just talking about some limited sampling of grooves, snatches, quick little horn stabs and such. Sorry dude, it's a big yawner to the courts, which is why nobody bothers to pursue it any more.
Subject:RE: Music on the Acid CD: Is It Royalty Free? Reply by: marvelicious Date:7/25/2001 4:32:10 AM the question is, after adding a few different effects and the like, how does anyone prove that the sound in question is a sample? "no, i broke out my bass and played that myself!" prove i didn't, go ahead and try...

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