Subject:Acid 8 - Chords ?

Posted by: robward

Date:8/1/2010 2:43:47 PM

Hi I am very new to this forum as I have only just started to use this product. I have already done a search and could not find anything in relation to my question, So I am hoping someone can help me out a little here.

I have found out how to change the chords for certain guitar tracks etc, and it works great, but how come there is no setting for Minor chords or am I missing this option somewhere ? All key changes and chords are just in Majors ?
Many Thanks in Advance

Subject:RE: Acid 8 - Chords ?

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/2/2010 5:34:33 AM

Are you referring to the key of the project or some guitar plug-in? I'm not following your question at all. Can you be more specific about what you are doing exactly?

~jr

Subject:RE: Acid 8 - Chords ?

Reply by: robward

Date:8/2/2010 9:43:24 AM

when you first open the program, left hand side you have..

a slider and then the opening BPM next to it 120.000 next to that you have project key usually starting in A, but if you click on it, it will open up all the key changes from C major right down to B major, they also show sharps but no Minors.

So say for example you want to put a guitar riff in your project in the key of A after a few beats you want to change it to Bm. You can't do that, the option for changing to a minor chord is not available. I can do songs in three chords like country, C,F,& G but if I want to do something that requires a minor chord it wont let me ?

Subject:RE: Acid 8 - Chords ?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:8/2/2010 10:19:54 AM

It's all relative and used as a reference (both for you and for ACID to determine what the root note is should the need arise).

So, "C" could mean C Major (no sharps or flats) or C minor (3 flats; Bb Eb Ab) but ACID is just basically doing what you tell it to do (which is why it's so important to know beforehand when working with samples that don't already have any ACIDized info; you must do this work yourself).

Let's say you have a Loop that just plays a C minor chord:

C Eb G

Naturally, the root note in this case is C and should be ACIDized as C. What makes the distinction is making sure the Loop is labeled as a minor loop sample for reference purposes. (For example, "C_minor_Chord_01.wav".)

You would do the same if it was a C Major chord. When working with a Major key like C Major, you'd simply set the overall project key to the root note (in this case, "C"). As I mentioned before, it's just a reference.

When working with samples (and if the author of the sample had a brain), the samples should be labeled so no confusion arises when they are used in your projects. Using a C Major-themed Loop in a C minor-themed project might produce unexpected results for obvious reasons.

ON EDIT: If you want to change a specific Loop to another key but not touch the overall project, you can simply select the Loop and press + or - on your keyboard's numpad. But note (no pun intended) the intended sample's content.

If the original sample was originally composed in C Major and transposed using this method to "D", it will sound like D Major (because the original sample was in a Major key). The only way to get a minor sound is to get a separate sample that was composed with that intent.

HTH,
Iacobus

Subject:RE: Acid 8 - Chords ?

Reply by: feign

Date:8/2/2010 6:10:01 PM

I think a simpler answer is this: Acid can't change a chord from major to minor, because that would mean separating out each constituent note of the chord and shifting only selected notes. Can't do.

All Acid can do is take the full wave form of the chord and adjust its pitch up and down.

Subject:RE: Acid 8 - Chords ?

Reply by: MarkWWW

Date:8/3/2010 12:25:07 PM

What Acid does is to transpose all the notes of the chord equally. So if you transpose a loop playing a C major chord up two semitones you will get a chord of D major.

Transposing all the notes equally cannot transform a major chord to a minor chord..This would require transposing the comstituent notes of the chord by different amounts - the third would need to be transposed 1 semitone less than the root and fifth (if transposing upwards) (or 1 semitone more if transposing downwards).

If you want to end up with a minor chord, you need to start with a minor chord. Acid can, for example, transpose a loop playing a D minor chord to an E minor chord (just transpose it up two semitones). But it can't transform a D major loop top an E minor loop.

Mark

Subject:RE: Acid 8 - Chords ?

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/3/2010 2:27:48 PM

> ...next to that you have project key usually starting in A, but if you click on it, it will open up all the key changes from C major right down to B major, they also show sharps but no Minors.

That's because B minor is not a key. B flat is a key. That adjustment is for the "key" of the song.

As others have said, ACID will just transpose all of the notes so majors stay major and minors stay minor. They just transpose up or down a key.

~jr