Darn!

Thanks bStro, I was hoping there was some sort of trick that would let it work. Apparently not.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.

I bet they did this on purpose.

Oh well. Its only money.

Well, it may be possible if you did it in two steps:

1) Prepare (rather than burn) your BluRay project to a folder on your hard drive.

2) Use DVD Architect's DVD burn function (or Nero's or whatever is on your computer) to burn the BluRay files from that folder to a DVD disc.

Remember, though, that there are liabilities to doing this, even if you can make it happen:

1) You'll still need to play it on a BluRay player. Although, as Rob says, some devices can play BluRay files on DVDs. Your DVD player, of course, will not know what to do with it.

2) A BluRay disc holds nearly 6 times as much data as a DVD -- so your BluRay movie will have to be under 20 minutes long to fit on a DVD.

Does that help at all?

Hi def on DVD --
yes, see HD on DVD
Bob

Thanks Steve & Originalbob, I had found that technique and tried it but it did not work for me. Why is totally not clear. I was sure that changing the Target Media Size to 4.70, along with the other tweaks mentioned in that posting, would yield correct results, but it did not.

As far as I know the Blu-Ray player in PS3's is about as high-tech as it gets. Last month there was a PS3 update that added support for 3D Blu-Ray disks (even though there aren't any available yet.)

Weirdness continues.......

There have been many disccusions of this subject. If you suffer from insomnia, try these:

www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=628746

www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=633779

www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=634421

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=645005

www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=645024

Works for me. I left step-by-step details how I did it on the "HD on DVD" topic (message 12). Does your Blu-ray player support AVCHD? Unfortunately, some low-cost players do not. I don't own any game boxes so I don't know what they will play but I have heard that the PS3 will play some disks that Blu-ray players won't.

I recommend doing a very short project in DVDAS 5.0, auto-play so things are not complicated. You can afford a 30 cent coaster or two. But following the procedure should get you what you want.

-=Ken=-

Well, after reading all the messages the best I can determine is that different Blu-Ray players function differently. The one on my PS3 reads DVD & Blu-Ray disks A-OK (of course) but it pulls up my DVD from DVDA5 as a data disk.

I've tried reformatting the disk before rendering and that makes no difference. My sense is there is just something missing from the contents of the disk that makes it playable. I don't have a commercial movie Blu-Ray disk at the moment, but when I get one I'll try comparing to see what differences there are.

You know, it just occurred to me that your PS3 may not support AVCHD disks - at least not those made on conventional DVD media.

Try doing a search for "AVCHD PS3 playback"

PS3's have been compatible with AVCHD since 2007. This is not surprising since the format of Blu-Ray media is very similar to AVCHD.

I posted a message on the PS3 Tech forum and got a response that basically said the following:

1. It is not possible to put a Blu-Ray format ISO file onto a DVD disk and have a Blu-Ray reader read it properly because the formats (Blu-Ray and DVD) are not compatible. A typical Blu-Ray reader will reject such a disk. The PS3 has more software in it so it just calls it a data disk.

2. A Blu-Ray reader will read an AVCHD disk fine, and play its contents (including menus) at full 1920x1080 resolution. AVCHD format works fine on a DVD disk.

What this means is that DVDAS5 cannot put 1920x1080 data onto a DVD because it does not have an option to create AVCHD format disks. It only allows DVD or Blu-Ray format.

So the answer to my original question is No.

Sigh!

I guess this is good news for NewEgg.

What this means is that DVDAS5 cannot put 1920x1080 data onto a DVD because it does not have an option to create AVCHD format disks. It only allows DVD or Blu-Ray format.

I don't know why you are missing this. I started creating high definition AVCHD disks on conventional DVD media, burning from the VMS9P timeline. I just gave a step by step procedure for replicating the process in DVDAS5. I will be glad to clarify my instructions if you request it.

Thanks Kenj62, I don't know what I am missing either. I did follow your instructions for DVDAS5 (including changing the output format from MPEG-2 to AVC -- doing this makes the render process a lot longer than using MPEG-2 for some reason), but I still ended up with a disk (DVD+R/W media) that my PS3 recognized as a data disk.

Burning from the VMS10 timeline won't help me because I want to get the menu navigation functionality DVDAS5 provides. (Yes, I know, have my cake and eat it too.)

Hang in there Birk! I am a retired IT guy and a "Mr Fixit" and I used to write procedures for hardware and software implementation. I would urge you to simplify the process until you are successful, then expand your capabilities from there.

Is it possible your R/W disk may be a problem? I have never had success with R/W disks - too unreliable - and the technology is somewhat different than DVD+R/-R. 30 cents for a DVD-R test disk isn't bad. Then just import a short file, edited or not, into DVDAS5 and follow the procedure.

Edit> I have read where some Blu-ray players need a firmware update to read burned media - including Sony models. Don't know if that applies to PS3. Try your disks on a friends Blu-ray first before you give up.

I have made several Hi-def videos onto DVD. I have actually put 30 mins. oh HI-def onto a DVD and had space to spare. I have to say though that there were no menus or chapters on my efforts. I simply edited a HD video on Movie studio 9 clicked on make movie and simply followed the routine to burn a Blu-ray disc. but used a DVD disc in my Blu-ray burner instead of a Blu-ray disc. The result good but it has to be played back via a blu-ray player connected to the HDTV. I don't know whether this info. is of any use to you, but I thought I would mention it.

I am rather surprised that this debate is still going on, as Sony have explicitly stated that DVDA cannot create AVCHD DVDs. What it can create is a Blu-ray structure on a DVD and some contributors have found that their hardware or software can play this. The difference is that a true AVCHD DVD can be played on any hardware or software that supports that standard.

With Cyberlink PowerDirector I have no difficulty in authoring AVCHD discs, with or without menus, that play fine on the PC using WinDVD and on my Panasonic Blu-ray recorder. Discs made with DVDAS 5 or VMS 10 play on neither, whatever parameters I use. DVD+RW or DVD-RW discs are not a problem.

I agree - there really is no debate. DVDA5 can't create Blu-Ray quality output with menus, video, etc. on DVD media.

So I'm going to order an LG Blu-Ray writer and some disks from Amazon. I think I'll start with one R/W disk and 5 write-once disks.

I have a Blu-Ray writer. I frequently burn 1920x1080 or 1280x720 videos to DVD-R media with DVDA 5 and readily play them on my LG BD390 where they look great. The player is recognizing them as AVCHD discs.

I have also taken some to Best Buy and they played on the players I tested them on there without problem. I have also tried them on a few friends' players without problem. I have not attempted to create menus though.

I have used Ritek DVD-R and Sony DVD-RW.

/jerry

I agree - there really is no debate. DVDA5 can't create Blu-Ray quality output with menus, video, etc. on DVD media.

I say the debate still rages. And it should be resolved - what exactly can be done and what can't.

I just used DVDAS5 for the first time to make a high definition AVCHD disk on conventional DVD single layer media. In order to do so I had to import an HDV file so DVDAS5 could down-convert it. The file structure looks like Blu-ray. MediaInfo reports MPEG-4 AVCHD H.264 with 1920x1080 resolution. My Blu-ray player is a Sony BDP-BX2 made in 2009. I haven't tried using menus yet but that should straight-forward after making a successful auto-play disk.

I would like to hear any reports as to whether only the Sony players will accept these disks. AFAIK, all Blu-ray players except those brands made by Funai Electric support AVCHD. There may also be an issue of interchange since the multiAVCHD utility has both strict and relaxed folder structure options.

I was also able to successfully make an AVCHD disk from the VMS10HDP timeline. The steps are different from VMS9P but the facility is there.

The problem I did have was after exporting my HDV timeline for import to DVDAS5. VMS10HDP will render out an .m2v video file and a .w64 audio file. Then VMS automagically sends the files to DVDAS5. I had to do this manually and adding the .m2v file also adds the audio file as advertised. DVDAS5 would fail processing the file with a buffer underflow error message. The DVDAS5 release notes section 3.0 say this:

"When using media that was rendered outside of DVD Architect Studio, video buffer underflow errors can occur during project preparation if portions of a video stream exceed the project's bit rate. You can use the Optimize Disc dialog to force recompression (re-encoding) of the media file, and the project will prepare without error."

My .m2v had a data rate higher than than the 15 Mbps I specified for the AVCHD disk so I'm not sure why my session failed. DVDAS5 should have re-compressed the file.

The file structure looks like Blu-ray.

I think there may be confusion between discs that contain AVCHD video and AVCHD discs. I believe that a DVD with both the file structure and format conforming to the AVCHD standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD) will play on any Blu-ray player that supports that standard.

It has been clearly demonstrated that there are players that can also play AVCHD media from a DVD with a Blu-ray structure. Unfortunately, my Panasonic does not. I think it odd that SCS have actually enabled production of such discs when a minor code change would have allowed the creation of true AVCHD DVDs. Given that the Studio software products are aimed at home users, most of whom do not possess Blu-ray writers, this seems to me to be an inexplicable oversight.

Mike

I have perused that wikipedia reference before. It is interesting that it says this:

As the creators of AVCHD, Sony and Panasonic are keen to support AVCHD playback in their Blu-ray Disc players.

I can't recall where I read it, perhaps on this forum, a guy said he had two Sony Blu-ray players and only one of them would play an AVCHD disk. But he connected the player to the Internet, upgraded the firmware and the non-working player then worked also. The key element here is "burned" disks since commercial disks are pressed. Have you tried upgrading the firmware on your player? A Panasonic should play back AVCHD.

An update on the DVDAS5 failure I reported. Seems that adjusting the data rate to 15 Mbps is not enough. You also have to toggle the Recompress option from No to Yes! After doing so my AVCHD disk from DVDAS5 burned successfully.

http://www.custcenter.com/cgi-bin/sonypictures.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=4293&p_created=1220625816

-=Ken=-

Hi Ken,

Have you tried upgrading the firmware on your player? A Panasonic should play back AVCHD

The machine in question is a DMR-BS750 PVR+Blu-ray recorder. It updates itself automatically via the broadcast Freesat signal. It plays AVCHD DVDs perfectly. What it doesn't play are the discs produced by VMS or DVDAS. Perhaps a later update will change this. I also cannot play these discs on my PC with WinDVD, whereas both the Panny and WinDVD are happy with discs prepared by PowerDirector or multiAVCHD.

My reason for copying material to the Panny is to burn the content to BD-Rs. This mainly comprised recordings of amateur dramatic productions of about 2 hours duration, i.e. much too large for DVDs

Cheers
Mike

I recently purchased a Sony BD Player model BDP-S370. It shows 1920 and 1440 AVCHD with menus on DVD-RW created by DVDAS5 as "BD-ROM" when first inserted into the player, and as "DVD-RW AVCHD" on the Sony player's menu. Corel's WinDVD 2010 shows it as BDMV. I have 1440x1080 sample AVCHD (h.264/AVC) clip from a Sony camcorder that doesn't require recompression in DVDAS5.

The player will also play Blu-ray 1920x1080 Mpeg-2 on DVD-RW 4.7 created in DVDAS5. When the disc is inserted into the player, the player shows "BD-ROM." After stopping the playback, the Sony player menu shows "DVD-RW AVCHD" -- even though the source stream is MPEG-2, not AVC. Is Sony expanding the definition of AVCHD?

I think I got a good deal on the player for $139.99 US at Fry's Electronics. Now it's going for $159.99.