Subject:Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Posted by: 1daat

Date:6/27/2001 11:43:04 AM

This is my repost of my initial message with the Motherboard info in it. I placed some stuff in my initial message I did not want in there, anywho here is my "generic" motherboard info:

AMD Thunderbird 1.3Ghz. I will get the more detailed info from home tonight and post it.

Name: ACID PRO 3.0

Product: ACID PRO 3.0

Product Version and Build: Version 3.0 Build 189

Windows Version: 98SE

RAM: 512MB

Processor Speed: 1.3GHZ AMD Thunderbird

Sound Card: M Audio Delta 1010

CD Burner (make & model): HP 9100b

Video Card: NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro
Version 4.12.01.0650


Message: When I run a song in ACID. Right while it is playing along the
screen goes black and it locks the machine right up.

Also a couple of times it locks up and gives me an error window with
the
following message:Sonic Foundry ACID Pro 3.0
Version 3.0 (Build 189)
Exception 0xC0000090 (float invalid operation) IP:0x111B945
In Module 'ACIDK.DLL' at Address 0x1000000 + 0x11B945
Thread: GUI ID=0xFFFAF1BB Stack=0xA5F000-0xA60000
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=0167 EIP=0111b947 EFLGS=00210246
EBX=00a5fc00 SS=016f ESP=00a5fbe8 EBP=00000000
ECX=00a5fc50 DS=016f ESI=04d83a58 FS=490f
EDX=00000018 ES=016f EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
0111B947: DC 1D E0 A8 16 01 DF E0 ........
0111B94F: F6 C4 01 74 17 D9 03 DC ...t....
Stack Dump:
00A5FBE8: 01166568 01000000 + 166568 (ACIDK.DLL)
00A5FBEC: 00000000
00A5FBF0: 00B432CC 00A70000 + D32CC
00A5FBF4: 00A5FC50 00950000 + 10FC50
00A5FBF8: 00000000
00A5FBFC: 00000018
00A5FC00: 00000636
00A5FC04: 00000200
00A5FC08: 00000000
00A5FC0C: 00000998
00A5FC10: 00000200
00A5FC14: 00000000
00A5FC18: 0046D050 00400000 + 6D050 (ACID.EXE)
00A5FC1C: 04D83E64 049F0000 + 393E64
00A5FC20: 00000000
00A5FC24: 00000000
> 00A5FC60: BFF77284 BFF70000 + 7284 (KERNEL32.DLL)
> 00A5FC7C: 0041EE30 00400000 + 1EE30 (ACID.EXE)
00A5FC80: 00000000
00A5FC84: 00000000
00A5FC88: 00000000
00A5FC8C: 04A7F928 049F0000 + 8F928
> 00A5FC90: 0062CAB0 00400000 + 22CAB0 (ACID.EXE)
00A5FC94: 303A3030 245B0000 + BDF3030
00A5FC98: 00000000
00A5FC9C: 00000000
00A5FCA0: 13701F00 10020000 + 36E1F00
> 00A5FCA4: BFF741F7 BFF70000 + 41F7 (KERNEL32.DLL)
> 00A5FCAC: BFF54E68 BFF50000 + 4E68 (USER32.DLL)
> 00A5FCB0: 0046D894 00400000 + 6D894 (ACID.EXE)
00A5FCB4: 1FE98AB5 10020000 + FE78AB5
00A5FCB8: 00000000
00A5FCBC: 00000000
00A5FCC0: 00000000
> 00A5FCC4: 0062CAB0 00400000 + 22CAB0 (ACID.EXE)
- - -
00A5FFF0: 491749BE 35630000 + 13B449BE
00A5FFF4: 8330CFEC 83307000 + 5FEC
00A5FFF8: BFF89DD5 BFF70000 + 19DD5 (KERNEL32.DLL)
00A5FFFC: 00000000

NOTES FROM WINDOWS SHUTDOWN WINDOW:

ACID caused an invalid page fault in
module KERNEL32.DLL at 0167:bff87ede.
Registers:
EAX=c00309c4 CS=0167 EIP=bff87ede EFLGS=00210206
EBX=00a5fd8c SS=016f ESP=00960000 EBP=0096006c
ECX=0095f184 DS=016f ESI=00000000 FS=490f
EDX=00000000 ES=016f EDI=00593b58 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
53 56 57 8b 30 83 7d 10 01 8b 4e 38 89 4d f8 75
Stack dump:
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000


If you could get in touch with me I have some time critical production
stuff
I want to get done and this is holding me up...

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: Rockitglider

Date:6/27/2001 7:39:04 PM

Hello,

How are ya
What kind of Mother board do you have? Very Important.
Also If an Asus Mother Board Need to get CPU temp from Asus Probe.

I'll check back a little later

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: TomBaker

Date:6/27/2001 10:05:18 PM

Hey rocket, why is it that pro 3 requires so much more processor power? than 2.0 for the same tasks?

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: Rockitglider

Date:6/27/2001 11:47:43 PM

Hey

Because of effects and busses and the way the signal routes

See ya

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: 1daat

Date:6/28/2001 7:01:51 AM

This is my repost of my initial message with the Motherboard info in it. I placed some stuff in my initial message I did not want in there, anywho here is my "generic" motherboard info:

AMD Thunderbird 1.3Ghz. I will get the more detailed info from home tonight and post it.

Name: ACID PRO 3.0

Product: ACID PRO 3.0

Product Version and Build: Version 3.0 Build 189

Windows Version: 98SE

RAM: 512MB

Processor Speed: 1.3GHZ AMD Thunderbird

Sound Card: M Audio Delta 1010

CD Burner (make & model): HP 9100b

Video Card: NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro
Version 4.12.01.0650


Message: When I run a song in ACID. Right while it is playing along the
screen goes black and it locks the machine right up.

Also a couple of times it locks up and gives me an error window with
the
following message:Sonic Foundry ACID Pro 3.0
Version 3.0 (Build 189)
Exception 0xC0000090 (float invalid operation) IP:0x111B945
In Module 'ACIDK.DLL' at Address 0x1000000 + 0x11B945
Thread: GUI ID=0xFFFAF1BB Stack=0xA5F000-0xA60000
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=0167 EIP=0111b947 EFLGS=00210246
EBX=00a5fc00 SS=016f ESP=00a5fbe8 EBP=00000000
ECX=00a5fc50 DS=016f ESI=04d83a58 FS=490f
EDX=00000018 ES=016f EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
0111B947: DC 1D E0 A8 16 01 DF E0 ........
0111B94F: F6 C4 01 74 17 D9 03 DC ...t....
Stack Dump:
00A5FBE8: 01166568 01000000 + 166568 (ACIDK.DLL)
00A5FBEC: 00000000
00A5FBF0: 00B432CC 00A70000 + D32CC
00A5FBF4: 00A5FC50 00950000 + 10FC50
00A5FBF8: 00000000
00A5FBFC: 00000018
00A5FC00: 00000636
00A5FC04: 00000200
00A5FC08: 00000000
00A5FC0C: 00000998
00A5FC10: 00000200
00A5FC14: 00000000
00A5FC18: 0046D050 00400000 + 6D050 (ACID.EXE)
00A5FC1C: 04D83E64 049F0000 + 393E64
00A5FC20: 00000000
00A5FC24: 00000000
> 00A5FC60: BFF77284 BFF70000 + 7284 (KERNEL32.DLL)
> 00A5FC7C: 0041EE30 00400000 + 1EE30 (ACID.EXE)
00A5FC80: 00000000
00A5FC84: 00000000
00A5FC88: 00000000
00A5FC8C: 04A7F928 049F0000 + 8F928
> 00A5FC90: 0062CAB0 00400000 + 22CAB0 (ACID.EXE)
00A5FC94: 303A3030 245B0000 + BDF3030
00A5FC98: 00000000
00A5FC9C: 00000000
00A5FCA0: 13701F00 10020000 + 36E1F00
> 00A5FCA4: BFF741F7 BFF70000 + 41F7 (KERNEL32.DLL)
> 00A5FCAC: BFF54E68 BFF50000 + 4E68 (USER32.DLL)
> 00A5FCB0: 0046D894 00400000 + 6D894 (ACID.EXE)
00A5FCB4: 1FE98AB5 10020000 + FE78AB5
00A5FCB8: 00000000
00A5FCBC: 00000000
00A5FCC0: 00000000
> 00A5FCC4: 0062CAB0 00400000 + 22CAB0 (ACID.EXE)
- - -
00A5FFF0: 491749BE 35630000 + 13B449BE
00A5FFF4: 8330CFEC 83307000 + 5FEC
00A5FFF8: BFF89DD5 BFF70000 + 19DD5 (KERNEL32.DLL)
00A5FFFC: 00000000

NOTES FROM WINDOWS SHUTDOWN WINDOW:

ACID caused an invalid page fault in
module KERNEL32.DLL at 0167:bff87ede.
Registers:
EAX=c00309c4 CS=0167 EIP=bff87ede EFLGS=00210206
EBX=00a5fd8c SS=016f ESP=00960000 EBP=0096006c
ECX=0095f184 DS=016f ESI=00000000 FS=490f
EDX=00000000 ES=016f EDI=00593b58 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
53 56 57 8b 30 83 7d 10 01 8b 4e 38 89 4d f8 75
Stack dump:
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000


If you could get in touch with me I have some time critical production
stuff
I want to get done and this is holding me up...

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: MackD

Date:6/29/2001 5:35:30 PM

I'm getting same Page Fault in Kernel32.dll, in similar memory address (18f:bff7ede)

Help US!
Product: ACID PRO 3
OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: AMD ATHLON 700
MB: Microstar K7PRO
RAM: 256 MB
SC: Sounblaster Live!
Video: ATI All In Wonder 128 (32 MB/AGP2x)
DVD: Pioneer 115 (16X)
CD-Burner: Sony (model?)

Easy CD Creator w/ Direct CD and
Norton Antivirus is installed

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: Rockitglider

Date:6/29/2001 10:37:51 PM

Hello,

You may have a problem with your CPU getting too hot, is there any way to get a temp reading on your CPU, either through BIOS or a utility that comes with Mother Board.

The problem is Acid uses alot of CPU power and the Atholon uses 2 times as much current as the Pentium and it can cause these kind of problems.

Is your computer home built or did you buy it assembled? The CPU fan is the suspect, it needs to be really good to cool an Atholon processor.

Let me know what you find out.

See ya

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: 1daat

Date:6/30/2001 7:47:50 PM

I was having the same black screen of death thing happen. Especially alot today. It is about 90 degrees and I do not have AC in this room. I would load a line and run it for about 3 minutes after booting up, and bang it would go south. So I used my MSI Temperature utilities and it was burning up ! It was right around 135 degrees F. So I opened up the case and put a fan on it to cool it down to around 111 on the processor and so far at this point it has not crashed yet. I will keep you up to date... Yes I did build my box, but I do not recall reading anywhere about having the right kind of fan on the processor... What do I do now besides wait until winter up here in Maine (which is not to far away..) Is there a more powerfull fan that I can install ? anywho let me know.

Thanks

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: MyST

Date:6/30/2001 9:42:45 PM

I also have an Athlon (850 Mhz), and I have three fans to help cool it down. One for the CPU, one bringing air into the case from the front, and one pushing air out the back. I've never had problems with overheating.
Check out some retailers in your area for some, they are really cheap, and there's different kinds depending on your needs and applications (hard-drive fans, for example).
Athlons are renowned for running hotter than Pentiums, but with proper cooling, you shouldn't have any problems.
Hope this helps...

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: 1daat

Date:6/30/2001 9:51:15 PM

Well here is an update...

062901

Have the chassis open right now blowing a fan into it. The CPU temperature is 104 F
the chassis temp is 89 F. I load up ACID 3.0 I run a song for about 5 minutes and
bang! black screen of death. I have nothing running on startup except the PC Alert III
Monitor from MSI. I have a MSI K7T Pro 2A 1.3 Mhz Motherboard. It has the VIA KT133
chipset. It is an AMD Athlon / Duron processor.

I am not sure what the optimum temperature needs to be...

2 other crashes I had tonight:

1. The timeline was going along, than the audio got digitally "stuck" and was repeating itself
over and over. I could not do Ctrl-Alt-Del. The whole system hung up with the "stuck"
audio driving my ears nuts. This error has not repeated itself yet.

2. The other error was the timeline was going along and than I got the famouse blue screen
of death with a Fatal Exception Error 06 and some hex number I forgot to write down.
This has not happened again.

The black screen of death no mercy crash has happened 5 times tonight. 3 times with the
temperature only around 105 F. Not sure what is up here. This error has happened with
both the Nvidia TNT2 card and the ATI Wonder card. I have tried both, with the same error.

All of these errors happened just this night using Acid 3.0. I have, as I said disabled all of the startup stuff. It is quite a clean system. Not sure
what to do.

Is 105 Degrees F. a resonable temp to run this at ?

-desparate.

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: Rockitglider

Date:7/1/2001 1:50:54 PM

OK Your CPU temp is good a high temp would be and higher but is good to stay at 110 degrees or lower. Maybe you should try updating your video card to latest drivers. Also if you have a friend that has Norton Utilities you can run the utilities from the disk without installing the program and it cleans up any active X garbage and generally makes your system run better. One other thing is to get the CPU temp reading after running Acid with a complex song for a few minutes to see if that makes any change.

Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 sending my system south.

Reply by: 1daat

Date:7/2/2001 6:18:15 AM

>OK Your CPU temp is good a high temp would be and >higher but is good to stay at 110 degrees or lower. >Maybe you should try updating your video card to >latest drivers.

Last night ran the machine at under 100 degrees and this time it crashed to the blue screen message. Next time I will write that one down.

The video card drivers are the latest. I have tried 2 differant video cards and both give the same errors. I feel like I am getting closer to the solution...

> Also if you have a friend that has Norton Utilities >you can run the utilities from the disk without >installing the program and it cleans up any active X >garbage and generally makes your system run better.

I will give this one a try. The cleaner the system the better ! Thanks.

> One other thing is to get the CPU temp reading after >running Acid with a complex song for a few minutes to >see if that makes any change.

Did this one. It gets to around 102 to 110 when running a long timeline.

Thanks for the help. If you or anyone else has any more suggestions would appreciate the tips.