Subject:real time monitoring while recording...

Posted by: Kappeesh

Date:6/6/2010 10:46:07 AM

...has failed.

i have ap7e, use an m-audio 24/96 card and an original motu 828. i have always been able to monitor while recording (guitar) through these devices and now can't. i can hear the live guitar, press record and monitoring disappears!! the audio is still recorded and i can play it back no prob. i reset the prefs - same prob. please help.

btw, i used these devices with reaper and could monitor while recording...seems to be an acid problem.

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:6/7/2010 7:47:38 AM

Did you turn on input monitoring at the track header? (next to the ARM button)

~jr

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/10/2010 12:46:02 PM

as i said i can hear audio - the track is armed...

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:6/11/2010 5:21:47 PM

The Audiophile 2496? I seem to remember being able to monitor while recording within its own software mixer without having to go through ACID itself (i.e., using hardware monitoring provided by the Audiophile)...trouble is I now use a MiaMIDI and can't remember offhand how it was done. (I think, by default, as the settings are, there shouldn't be a problem doing what you want but you shouldn't have ACID's input monitoring on; have the Audiophile do it instead.)

Be sure to check out the 2496's manual if you haven't already. (Adobe Reader needed.) I believe you not only want to specifically select the input for recording but also patch your outputs to the monitor mixer so you can hear what's going on.

HTH,
Iacobus

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/13/2010 4:39:39 PM

hey thanks very much for the responses. i really do apreciate you guys. i read the forum often and have had very few problems. its comforting to know there are others who can identify, etc.

what may seem obvious to me is that i have a proper audio path. everything is selected properly. i press record, the instrument cannot be heard and the session proceeds 'normally'. so any ideas? this is frustrating...

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:6/14/2010 10:03:07 AM

Do you actually see the waveform being drawn while you record?

If all was fine until recently, it sounds like something went kablooey in the process. Did you try a complete uninstall and reinstall of ACID?

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/14/2010 10:43:06 AM

Please fill out your system specs in your user profile

To be absolutley clear on what you are doing:

- Using ASIO drivers
- Arm an Audio Track that is recieving input from your Maudio or MOTU device directly
- Enable Input Monotoring on the track using "Input Monitor Mode :On"

You can hear when the transport is not engaged, but as soon as you click the record button or use "Ctrl-R", the input stops.

Peter

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/14/2010 11:45:21 AM

yes the waveform is shown. i have not tried to uninstall. as you can understand theres a lot of registration issues doing that and wanted to save that as a last resort.

not sure what you mean by 'kablooey in the process'. which process??

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/14/2010 11:48:51 AM

Peter, yes to all. weird huh?

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/14/2010 11:53:35 AM

and fwiw i'm using amplitube 2 plugin but it shouldnt be suspect considering the test with repear i mentioned earlier.

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/14/2010 4:14:50 PM

If you don't use the amplitude plugin, does the problem persist?

I have not been able to reproduce this problem, but I don't have the amplitude plugin.

Peter

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/14/2010 8:45:05 PM

i tried it both ways - same problem.
Peter, can you say what - maybe from a code/engineering pov - would cause a specific 'command' to stop functioning at the point record is pressed? since i did the test in reaper, hardware can be ruled out i think. and i certaintly will not abandon acid!

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:6/15/2010 10:39:12 AM

When I say something "went kablooey in the process", I'm saying something went wrong, which could be anything from video drivers not working properly to brownouts and power spikes corrupting your data.

If it's something relating to the ACID software itself, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the software became corrupt somehow (which is why I suggested an uninstall/reinstall, painful as it may be between registration and custom settings).

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/15/2010 11:01:39 AM

fair answer. but none of those things happened and ap7e continues to function normally otherwise. most of all Peter has not assessed corruption or reinstall. and we all know how highly we regard his involvement in any problem. and thanks very much again for your attempt to help.

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/15/2010 2:05:45 PM

SO if you do the following:

- New Project in ACID
- Add new Track
- Set input to an ASIO input
- Set to Input monitor
- Arm the track

you hear your input

Press record

You do not hear your input

Peter

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/15/2010 3:11:23 PM

thats correct. did you see my last post to you?

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/15/2010 11:48:31 PM

did you see my last post to you?

Yes I did.

Peter, can you say what - maybe from a code/engineering pov - would cause a specific 'command' to stop functioning at the point record is pressed?
If I could answer that - or even reproduce what you are seeing - then I would know what is wrong.

since i did the test in reaper, hardware can be ruled out i think. and i certaintly will not abandon acid!

Well it is nice that Reaper doesn't have a problem, but it really is of no use to me to know that.

How about you telling me exactly, step by step what you are doing. leave nothing out. Provide me the simplest work flow that reproduces the problem for you every time.

Assume I am NOT running the same hardware you are and that I do not have all of the plug-ins you do. Skip nothing. If you are using a particular hardware device, please specify exactly.

Don't skip anything, no matter how minor you think it is. Do you use the keyboard or the mouse?

Peter

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/16/2010 5:01:21 AM

- i asked the code question just to get you to think speculatively.
- the reaper test was/is/should be important because when this first happened my immediate thought was 'hardware must be the culprit'.
- you presented the most accurate step by step and i agreed with that.
- i was using the 828 when the problem happened. the 828 is showing its age. it did something unusual a few days before the issue with acid. whe i turned it on it wouldnt mount properly and showed its display leds in a crazy, nontypical configuration. i called motu and was told how to reset it to the factory default. i did that and also installed the latest drivers. so all was well. but then it happened again. frustrated i decided to not use the 828. i uninstalled all the drivers, etc for it. so the 828 is out of the picture.
- i turned to the m-audio card and using it is not my first chice but it is capable of doing what i need. but the problem of losing monitoring happened with it as well. did the 828 corrupt acid somehow? i dont know.
- so i recorded in reaper and could monitor with it - showing me that the m-audio card is not suspect. because, to me, if a hardware feature doesnt work in one program and does in another program i tend to eliminate the device from the scenario.
- for all of the above i was using the amplituBe 2 plugin. but not using a plugin had the same result.
- i use a wacom tablet and have done so for years with no prob. with the track armed i press the record button with the stylus.

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/19/2010 6:49:06 PM

so Peter should i strip my drives and start over?

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/19/2010 7:11:44 PM

I am still waiting for you to fill out your system specs in your user profile.

I have an 828 and obtained a version of Amplitube. I cannot reproduce you problem in any way. I have tested on XP, Vista, and Win7 (32 and 64 bit).

I would still like a step by step of exactly what you are doing in the most simple scenario to reproduce the problem. It is really helpful as a starting point.

Peter

Subject:RE: real time monitoring while recording...

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:6/20/2010 4:20:47 AM

the box to display system settngs wasnt selected. it is now.
if you cant reproduce this then it's just a fluke and i'll need to decided how to proceed. youve done all you can and i do appreciate it.