Subject:Recording vinil LP

Posted by: olino

Date:6/13/2001 5:21:45 PM

I have used for many times Sound Forge 4.5 lòast year and right now I am using the last version, but I have not found one tool that can help me.
When I use to record I find very tedious waiting for a stop and start of new song. I want to explain better, because my english is not very well.
When recording the LP you know there are many songs and between every song there is a little space, normaly 2 seconds or more. This space should be silence, but normaly there is a lot of background noise.
My question is:
is there any tool that can let me record automactly setting, for example 2 seconds ???

I hope people can understand what I mean.

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: Engineer

Date:6/13/2001 9:31:21 PM

There is a SF add on that will clean up noise from Vinyl called Noise Reduction V2. You will still need to edit the silence out manually.

Bill Woolford

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: ford

Date:6/13/2001 10:03:38 PM

As a record collector, I've prepared hundreds of LP's for transfer to CD-R. If I understand you correctly, you want the band between tracks to be absolutely silent as opposed to "quiet" meaning you hear the surface noise of the vinyl. Correct?

May i suggest:

I always record the entire LP to my hard drive, not one track at a time.

Once you have run the processes of your choice and are ready to clean up those in-between bands you can select the part you wish to silence and hit MUTE, found under the Process pull-down menu. I would then fade the end of the track into the muted section for a smooth transition. You would then split your tracks so they could be easily indexed.

OR

You can split your tracks first and then go to the individual WAV files and CUT or DELETE the band completely, fade out and INSERT SILENCE with a length that you specify. Insert Silence is also in the process pull down.

Good luck!

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: beetlefan

Date:6/14/2001 12:03:43 AM

I find the Noise Gate VERY useful for this. But I am one of those who split the tracks first, them clean them up so that each track get's special cleaning.

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: captainvinyl

Date:6/16/2001 1:57:32 AM

I copy all the album to the hard drive as well. Then just select the track I want using the left mouse button and working backwards to highlight the track form the end to the start.
This gets me just the track and not the gap between them. I then go to save selection as. Usualy do my albums in groups so I have a folder waiting to put it in.
Sound forge is not the best for this sort of work. And I use someone elses software for doing this.
Leave word if you want me to E-mail you its name.
regards
The captin

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: beetlefan

Date:6/16/2001 2:04:29 AM

Hell, i'll say it! Sonic Foundry shouldn't get upset by the mention of a compettitor's name. I use Cool Edit Pro for vinyl restoration. I use Sound Forge Forge for those things that I can't get with CEP.

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: olino

Date:6/16/2001 5:03:57 PM

Thank Ford for your words, but As I have understood you work hard for a normal LP session.
The time you spend to make all the work you do is very big. I wish to have something muc more easy and practical.
In SF there is an'option when recordin telling "create a new window for each take", but is not explained if I can take a new windows automactly. As I have said in my post.

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: beetlefan

Date:6/16/2001 7:18:00 PM

If I understand you correctly, you could record each track one by one so you would have a separate window for each track, but that would be time comsuming.

There really is no way you can push a button and automatically have record an LP and have prepared tracks for CD-R burning.

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: ametts

Date:6/18/2001 7:11:16 AM

I use Sound Forge, the Noise Reduction Plug-In, and the Batch Converter for this -- with "mostly" automated results...

--*-- I record entire albums into one WAV file, with no track boundaries.

--*-- Using the Batch Converter, I normalize the audio, and then apply two passes of Noise Reduction (Vinyl Restoration, then Click and Crackle removal).

--*-- Then I use the "Extract Silence" operation within the Auto-Trim process, to remove the silence between the songs -- and to create a region for each song. I used to do this in the Batch Converter, but the new version no longer allows to you create Regions (BOOOO!). Now I have to do this step in Sound Forge.

--*-- At this point, I check the starts and ends of each Region by playing them from the Sound Forge Regions list. Usually a few minor adjustments are in order.

--*-- Then I run "Extract Regions" to create individual files for each Track.

--*-- I used to run the Batch Converter on each Track -- to add a little silence back in to the front and back of each song. Unfortunately, this operation is no longer possible in the new Batch Converter (BOOO!).

Hope this helps,
A----

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: beetlefan

Date:6/18/2001 9:57:49 AM

Well, I prefer to do all of what you do manually, anyway, so I have more control over how I want the LP to be on CD. Every file I do gets special treatment in the de-click/NR department. I use Cool Edit's NR because it is more precice than SF's and doesn't cut out the music.

One tip, you should record as loud as possible without clipping to reduce the need for peak normalizing. I peak normalize as my second to last step before dithering down to 16-bit and noise shaping.

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: olino

Date:6/20/2001 7:15:50 PM

thank for you suggestions ametts

I have found the the BC in SF is not working very good so I use BC from inside WaveLAb...much more better and faster.

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: beetlefan

Date:6/20/2001 7:38:49 PM

I was finally able to e-mail SF about it. Hopefully they will look into the matter and fix a few things. I expect an e-mail from them soon.

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: jgalt

Date:6/21/2001 5:34:47 AM

It's interesting reading of the various techniques used by some and I'm constantly picking up a good idea by doing so. Most of my work involves restoring very old 78RPM records. The techniques I developed doing this carry over to restoring LP's. I do each track individually as I find the automated procedures aren't thorough - but they are helpful. Much manual repair remains to be done, ie, Copy & Overwrite, re-draw with the pencil tool, etc. Seldom does an LP pass through my hands where the automated procedures are adequate. None of what I've written is meant to be critical of others - we should do what works for us.

Subject:RE: Recording vinil LP

Reply by: olino

Date:6/21/2001 7:06:05 PM

Hi jgalt,
nice to hear you have work with many LP 78rpm. I havem many oh them, about 200, they come from my old unt, and they are very clean too, but I have no one turtable to hear them. I have one oldest turntable, "La Voce del Padrone", is a wood box with a big trumpet where you can hear the music turning on the dish where you have the LP. Sorry for my english, but I am searching for what I have in my mind. I hope you can understand.
I said is very interesting because we could exchange somthing about it. don't you ?
My Turntable is a Tchnics quartz, but it can'not run fatser then 45rpm.
That's pity for me...what can I do ??