Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Posted by: DonaldT

Date:3/15/2010 6:30:34 PM

I tried it in Version 4 and for the most part it works. It does carry the line numbers, which is not correct for the TEXT subtitle format.

You need to delete the line numbers. It looks for carriage returns to start a new subtitle line.

You could just delete the header information in the text file and see if that fixes it.

Dave T2

Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Reply by: Lucius Snow

Date:3/16/2010 7:25:52 AM

Thanks.

It seems there's a synchronisation problem also. I wonder how it can be sync a TC in and a TC out only, at the beginning and at the end of the TXT file.

Do you have any example of TXT subtitles which are in the correct format ?

Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Reply by: DonaldT

Date:3/16/2010 9:31:23 AM

TXT files don''t carry the timecode information. When you import a TXT file for subtitles, it spaces them evenly on the timeline. You then have to adjust each title to the correct length.

The HELP file shows a correctly formatted TXT subtitle file.

Dave T2

Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Reply by: MarkWWWW

Date:3/16/2010 9:57:43 AM

As DaveT2 says, if you want to synchronise the individual subtitles you don't want to use the .TXT format.

Instead use the .SUB format which has a specific timecode for each subtitle. You can export the subtitles from Vegas in this format by using region names and the export script included with Vegas. Or if you have the timecodes and subtitles in some other standard format you can use something like Subtitle Workshop to convert them to the required "Sonic DVD Creator" .SUB format.

Mark

Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Reply by: Lucius Snow

Date:3/16/2010 11:29:09 AM

Alright, thanks.

I'll ask to the company who made these subtitles to export in SUB format, and i'll let you know.

Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Reply by: Lucius Snow

Date:4/25/2010 12:34:48 PM

It works with Sonic format. Thanks all.

Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Reply by: filmy

Date:5/4/2010 5:20:46 PM

>>>It works with Sonic format<<<

That would be a closed caption text, extension ".scc" - and how did you get that to import into DVDA? I've been asking for line 21/captioning support for years and they finally added very limited support in Vegas Video 9d but not in DVDA. So if you manged to find some way to import a caption file into DVDA please, please, please share your method. (Should be noted that Adobe Encore has had support since about version 2 and Final Cut Pro now allows caption import as well. )

Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Reply by: MarkWWWW

Date:5/5/2010 5:15:04 AM

> That would be a closed caption text, extension ".scc"

No, it is the "Sonic DVD Creator" .SUB format. It is a subtitle format, not a Closed Caption format. As far as I know there is no way to use CC in DVDA.

Mark

Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Reply by: filmy

Date:5/6/2010 7:16:37 AM

When most people say "sonic format" and are talking about subs it means the Sonic Closed Caption format - or scc. I see a misuse of terms a lot, subtitles are not closed captions, but I can see why people think that. So when I see someone saying they can import the "Sonic format" it means they can import an scc file when they are talking about DVDA it peaks my intrest. So if Lucius Snow meant he could import the sub format and not the Sonic Closed Caption format it would make more sense, but what a tease! LOL!

And I believe DVD Creator can import scc files as well, which would make sense as it is a sonic product. DVDA is really lagging in this department, which it really too bad because while I do like it if i need to do a project that follows Federal guidelines/requirements I can't use it.

http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Mass_Media/News_Releases/2000/nrmm0031.html
http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=content&ID=12
http://www.justice.gov/crt/foia/tal183.txt

Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Reply by: MPM

Date:5/11/2010 6:34:57 PM

DVDA generally likes the MAC Studio DVD Pro format, & it's pretty easy to manipulate beforehand & use. Scc has been around a long time, & while some few apps accept only scc, it's generally deprecated.

FWIW, there usually isn't that much difference between text or timing of *prepared* CC & subs. CC {Closed Captioning] used to be embedded in the stream, & the TV decoded it from the blanking portion of the analog picture. DVDs developed the habit of embedding CC in an unused portion of the mpg2 headers, which the player **might** decode & pass to the analog TV via the same blanking area of the picture. This was carried over/adopted by most mpg2 OTA & QAM digital streams in the US AFAIK. A few apps like Adobe allow embedding CC in an existing mpg2 stream, without re-encoding [Hint, hint Sony]. I believe it's name comes from the tech originally used, though it's fair to say captioning is most often called captioning when it's embedded in the video stream.

Subtitles can be a separate text file the player overlays, or with DVD/BD it's a separate track of pictures overlaid on top of the video. There are various utilities to strip CC out of mpg2, converting the raw binary data to something notepad reads, convert the text files from one format to the next [srt is the most popular], adjust timing, turn them into the graphical subs DVD/BD uses etc. There are quite a few apps just for creating them as well, optimized for that sort of thing far more than Vegas IMHO. AS a final prep step I normally convert to MAC DVD Studio pro format which means I can double check spelling etc in Word, convert to unicode in Notepad to use special characters etc. Most of these formats are just text files with different characters used for paragraphs, some have line numbering, that sort of thing, so conversion isn't a huge deal. The only downside with DVDA & the format I use is you have to save the project & reopen it in order for the imported subs to display correctly.

Subject:RE: Subtitles format problem

Reply by: Aivar

Date:10/3/2010 5:39:50 PM

that is crazy, DVDA does not support most common subtite format - .srt
Hope new version does...