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Subject:Beatmapper tips? Posted by: mcg13 Date:5/11/2001 5:34:20 PM I've really just started messing with 3.0's Beatmapper feature, so I'm far from being an expert. The results I've gotten so far, though, have been mixed. One song I mapped came out perfectly after one attempt. Every other song has been a total disaster. I get the first measure sync'ed properly, go through each measure afterward and tweak it, go back to the beginning again and the whole song is completely out of whack. I've gotta be doing something wrong here. Any foolproof suggestions? Thanks in advance. -mcg13
Subject:RE: Beatmapper tips? Reply by: cyberbeat Date:5/11/2001 6:53:02 PM I've figured out that if you change a single measure anywhere in the beat mapper it changes all other measures. So, what you have to do is to try to adjust the beats so that they stay on tempo for the longest time possible with out getting out of sync. I hope this makes sense.
Subject:RE: Beatmapper tips? Reply by: Weevil Date:5/15/2001 8:48:38 AM Beatmapper seems like a feature that's only half finished. It's a good idea but at the moment it is only any use for music played strictly to a precise tempo. I posted a message (called 'On the verge of greatness' (I think)) a while ago describing a way I discovered to get Acid to follow 'human' tempo. It’s a really, really awkward procedure but the results are excellent. ...Acid 4 perhaps?
Subject:RE: Beatmapper tips? Reply by: mcg13 Date:5/24/2001 1:20:44 PM I would agree with your assessment that Beatmapper appears to be only half-finished. It has the smarts to pinpoint the first downbeat and even determine (with a little help) where the first measure begins and ends. Beyond that, the assumption is that the entire song flows at that same, exact pace without any allowance for human imperfection. If Beatmapper could stretch measures to match the corrections you manually make in the final step, it'd be a pretty wicked tool. But, at least in my opinion, as it is, it's just a great idea that doesn't quite work right. I hope it will become a focus in future patches and upgrades. -mcg
Subject:RE: Beatmapper tips? Reply by: tonyoci Date:5/25/2001 4:00:31 PM I have found that it takes more patience. I use Sound Forge XP to cut the program up into pieces where the different tempo's apply The I use BeatMapper to map the separate pieces Then I put them back into the Acid Project, varying the tempo as needed to create a cool remix. I am having real fun with this feature. Though it does take some patience to create a whole song. FYI: The Barenaked Ladies - If You Fall is a long song with a 100% consistent beat from beginning to end if someone wants to start with something simple.

Subject:Beatmapper tips?

Posted by: mcg13

Date:5/11/2001 5:34:20 PM

I've really just started messing with 3.0's Beatmapper
feature, so I'm far from being an expert. The results I've
gotten so far, though, have been mixed. One song I mapped
came out perfectly after one attempt. Every other song has
been a total disaster. I get the first measure sync'ed
properly, go through each measure afterward and tweak it,
go back to the beginning again and the whole song is
completely out of whack.

I've gotta be doing something wrong here. Any foolproof
suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

-mcg13

Subject:RE: Beatmapper tips?

Reply by: cyberbeat

Date:5/11/2001 6:53:02 PM

I've figured out that if you change a single measure
anywhere in the beat mapper it changes all other measures.
So, what you have to do is to try to adjust the beats so
that they stay on tempo for the longest time possible with
out getting out of sync. I hope this makes sense.

Subject:RE: Beatmapper tips?

Reply by: Weevil

Date:5/15/2001 8:48:38 AM

Beatmapper seems like a feature that's only half
finished.

It's a good idea but at the moment it is only any use
for music played strictly to a precise tempo.

I posted a message (called 'On the verge of greatness'
(I think)) a while ago describing a way I discovered
to get Acid to follow 'human' tempo. It’s a really,
really awkward procedure but the results are excellent.

...Acid 4 perhaps?

Subject:RE: Beatmapper tips?

Reply by: mcg13

Date:5/24/2001 1:20:44 PM

I would agree with your assessment that Beatmapper appears to be only half-finished. It has the smarts to pinpoint the first downbeat and even determine (with a little help) where the first measure begins and ends. Beyond that, the assumption is that the entire song flows at that same, exact pace without any allowance for human imperfection.

If Beatmapper could stretch measures to match the corrections you manually make in the final step, it'd be a pretty wicked tool. But, at least in my opinion, as it is, it's just a great idea that doesn't quite work right.

I hope it will become a focus in future patches and upgrades.

-mcg

Subject:RE: Beatmapper tips?

Reply by: tonyoci

Date:5/25/2001 4:00:31 PM

I have found that it takes more patience.

I use Sound Forge XP to cut the program up into pieces where the different tempo's apply

The I use BeatMapper to map the separate pieces

Then I put them back into the Acid Project, varying the tempo as needed to create a cool remix.

I am having real fun with this feature. Though it does take some patience to create a whole song.

FYI: The Barenaked Ladies - If You Fall is a long song with a 100% consistent beat from beginning to end if someone wants to start with something simple.