Subject:Good Bye Sony/PC

Posted by: Russ Bishop

Date:1/22/2010 2:17:53 PM

After loosing all of my plug-in settings during an upgrade to Acid 7, I've opted to return to the Mac platform and have purchased Propellerhead's Reason and Record bundle and Final Cut Pro. I'd forgotten what it was like to work with such well designed applications. Not to mention the elegance of the Mac OS. Why I left (well I know why...cost). It was the biggest mistake I have ever made when it comes to my career as music producer. Do yourselves a favor and get off the Windows and Sony Creative Software money-making machines and get back to real creativity. You won't regret it. I know I haven't.

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:1/27/2010 11:15:52 AM

You will be missed...what with the only post you've had here and all.

Iacobus

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:1/28/2010 7:49:20 PM

Yes, there is no doubt about it - Apple-anything makes you into a creative person. Bye.

geoff

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: _Gabriel_

Date:1/29/2010 6:16:45 AM

http://www.tweakheadz.com/Mac_vs_Pc_DAWS.htm

Really good read, lots pf great info !

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:1/29/2010 7:08:20 AM

Yes, there is no doubt about it - Apple-anything makes you into a creative person.

Or a broke one. Apple? Creative? Gimme a break...since when does any software make you creative? You either are creative or you are not....these are tools after all...

Do I need to roll out the classic cliche? A poor craftsmen blames his....

C'ya

VP

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:1/29/2010 1:53:51 PM

Granted having a Mac doesn't make one more creative than working on a pc, but working on a Mac/music system allows one to be more creative without worrying about running into Windoze gotchas. Dongles on a Mac? Not a problem. Dongles on a pc? What I have to say about that isn't fit for general consumption.

On a Mac I don't have to worry about various versions of Snow Leopard. Vista has a bunch of different versions. Windows7? How about at least 3 versions and 2 bit depths. OSX Snow Leopard - one version. Can boot into 32 or 64 bit. Less headaches.

I still have my pc. Not a huge Acid user as I don't make my own loops, and I use Sonar on that computer (which runs XP) for recording. I do make heavy use of Soundforge, but when I move full time over to the Mac it'll be Bias Peak Pro. Yeah, it's more expensive, but worth it and it does what I need and more. Sure, I could go Bootcamp and install some flavor of Windoze but I've grown increasingly angry with Microsnot and Bill Gates. And I will not pollute the new MacPro desktop with an OS that just doesn't get it.

And ProTools tends to run better on a Mac vs. a pc. I've seen it.

Jack

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:1/30/2010 7:10:14 AM

Granted having a Mac doesn't make one more creative than working on a pc, but working on a Mac/music system allows one to be more creative without worrying about running into Windoze gotchas. Dongles on a Mac? Not a problem. Dongles on a pc? What I have to say about that isn't fit for general consumption.

So what you are really saying is that you would only choose a Mac because you either:

A) Have no computer tech skills
B) Do not want to acquire any.

Fair enough. But to imply that Windows automatically = "gotchas" is shortsighted and just ignorant. As a Windows user (who has never used a Mac and never will) - the OS has never introduced a "gotcha" into my world....and has certainly never prohibited creativity.

If anything - and if one has the requisite skills - The PC and Windows is a limitless panacea of personalized joy - since I can have my workstation exactly the way I want it - down to the case, wiring, whatever - not the way Steve says I need it .

Bottom line - at least in my world - my customers don't care what is in use - all they care is - does it sound good?

And SloTools? Please.....this is an Acid forum after all....

VP

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: _Gabriel_

Date:1/30/2010 10:26:37 AM

"If anything - and if one has the requisite skills - The PC and Windows is a limitless panacea of personalized joy - since I can have my workstation exactly the way I want it - down to the case, wiring, whatever - not the way Steve says I need it ."

Well the Mac versus PC wars continues....lol.

Personally I'm a PC guy. I've been building my own workstations for years. never ran into all these glitches that PC users supposedly are cursed with. At the same time I have many friends that live and die by their Macs yet not a day goes by that I don't get a phone call from a Mac user asking me to fix a virus, help them find lost programs and so forth. Bottom line is this, if a person is buying an off the shelf PC for the intent to record then shame on them. Those PCs are BUDGET PCs designed for gaming and browsing at a value price. They are filled with a ton of trash apps that do nothing but slow your machine to a halt.

If one is serious about recording, build yourself a bare bones powerhouse. The only apps you should have on there is your recording programs...period. For under 2K you will end up with a lightning fast machine that will run circles around most Macs. Also DON'T skimp on your tower or power supply. Make sure the tower is insulated and your HD bays are padded to prevent vibration. The floor noise on my machine is 20% quieter than your top of the line Mac. What a concept huh? When the time comes to upgrade (which it will) it should cost you about $400 to $700.00 US. You can literally slap together a new PC in a couple of hours designed to YOUR specifications. I mean really, all you are doing is screwing in bunch of components. Put aside a weekend and you will build a powerhouse, install your apps, set your BIOS and you're set to go.

As for Macs, they are fine trendy machines that at one time did dominate the recording industry. Those times have changed. Upgrade a Mac? Well the only 2 things you can upgrade to my knowledge is the Memory and HD/s. So if you need a more powerful machine to keep up with the new standards the upgrade price for a Mac is going to be in the $4,000.00 plus range. In essence you need to buy a new machine. I know a few folks that daisy chain them actually.

Apples and oranges really. But make no mistake about it, Mac's do not sound better than PC's or vice versa!

EDIT: And Never Ever put your workstation on line. Leave the browsing and downloading stuff to your budget PC.

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: feign

Date:1/30/2010 11:01:43 PM

I think Geoff was being sarcastic.

There is indeed a Mac-owners' Syndrome in which owners of Apple products wallow in the weird logic that Macs are geared for creative applications, so therefore owning one makes you an artist. I know lots of people like that. The attitude may have had some faint justification 15+ years ago, but it's bulls#-- now. Kind of like people who buy expensive hiking boots and imagine that they're Alpine mountaineers... or people who put down Acid and think that proves they're "serious" musicians.

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:1/31/2010 6:08:33 AM

You said:
Granted having a Mac doesn't make one more creative than working on a pc, but working on a Mac/music system allows one to be more creative without worrying about running into Windoze gotchas. Dongles on a Mac? Not a problem. Dongles on a pc? What I have to say about that isn't fit for general consumption.

So what you are really saying is that you would only choose a Mac because you either:

A) Have no computer tech skills
B) Do not want to acquire any.

Fair enough. But to imply that Windows automatically = "gotchas" is shortsighted and just ignorant. As a Windows user (who has never used a Mac and never will) - the OS has never introduced a "gotcha" into my world....and has certainly never prohibited creativity.

If anything - and if one has the requisite skills - The PC and Windows is a limitless panacea of personalized joy - since I can have my workstation exactly the way I want it - down to the case, wiring, whatever - not the way Steve says I need it .

Bottom line - at least in my world - my customers don't care what is in use - all they care is - does it sound good?

And SloTools? Please.....this is an Acid forum after all....

VP

I replied:
Don't know how or where you came up with your statements A & B - you couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. I've been working with these machines since the 1970's. That was before there existed such a thing as an off-the-shelf computer like we have nowadays. Had to pick your own motherboard - let's see now - S100, S50, some proprietary piece. Then you had memory on boards - lucky if you had 1K ram on a board. Then you had to figure out how this all played together.

So yeah, I've been there, done that and can run rings around anyone, anywhere, anytime with tech skills. I also designed and built my own computer system from the chip level up just so I could do music back in the day.

I've gotten to the point in my life I just don't need all the headaches that come with a Windoze system. Yeah, I can spend the time figuring out what's wrong, come up with a registry hack and make it work, but why should I? I've had both major systems since pretty much the time each came out (Apple 1 anyone? Mac se? Had both) and to tell the truth OSX is more elegant and less headaches than anything out of Redmond. And I never implied Winblows automatically equaled gotchas - it's just that the two are synonomous - where you have one the other tends to follow.

You want to have a pc/Wind box exactly the way you want it, right down to the wiring? Your deal, not mine. You're probably the type that dotes on Monster cables.

Jack

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:1/31/2010 6:20:02 AM

I've gotten to the point in my life I just don't need all the headaches that come with a Windoze system

Then why are you here? Enjoy your overpriced paperweight, start planning your iPad Launch slumber party with your pals and move along.

Last time I checked Acid doesn't have anything to do with Mac OS...sounds like you simply want to stir the s**t storm trying to justify your choice. Nobody cares.....

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: _Gabriel_

Date:1/31/2010 11:40:53 AM

Jack,

So far all you've done is whine, insult other peoples preferences and trying to convince us what a pro you are. Windoze? lmao ....yep definitely a consummate pro statement. Other than trolling, why are you here? forums are meant to ask technical questions and for members to help each other. You guys never cease to amaze me. But again, every forum has a couple like you. If you don't like windows or Acid, that's fine, everyone has their preferences so please back off or shut the hell up already !!!!!

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: epinema

Date:1/31/2010 12:01:45 PM

The Windows and Sony Creative Software money-making machines?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You think Apple is any better? They build on the same hardware PCs are on now and funnily enough, end up alot more expensive.....

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:1/31/2010 7:52:36 PM

Re creativity and platform: There was a time when a truly "creative" muso had to have an Atari. Why? The Atari had a built-in MIDI interface. Sad but true.

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: runman

Date:1/31/2010 8:32:03 PM

Who really cares, I'm just glad Mr Russ Bishop has left the building.

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: kitekrazee

Date:2/1/2010 3:21:29 PM

Don't feed the turds, oops I mean trolls.
BTW Reason or Record doesn't allow the use of 3rd party extras. Of course that does help in stability...but what if there is this reverb plugin you really like....uh sorry..doesn't work.

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:2/2/2010 4:15:12 PM

I actually left Mac for a PC... so I could run Acid. This was a number of years ago, but I have never regretted the move.

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: Bremen Cole

Date:2/3/2010 3:45:07 AM

It always amazes me when someone does a post like this on a forum. I mean to sign up, to make one post saying you are leaving..... what is with the ego of someone like this. I mean really, who in the fig cares? Use Fruity Loops hacked on Linux for all I care....

I think people like this have some kind of Messianic complex. They feel they are our savior and we will follow as they lead us to the promised land.....

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: drbam

Date:2/3/2010 5:21:54 AM

LOL! For some troll guy you all were happy to see leave, you sure are keeping him alive and present on this thread! Funny stuff . . .

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:2/4/2010 11:23:57 AM

And thus, an Internet legend is born! :D

Iacobus

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: coolout

Date:2/17/2010 11:43:08 PM

"I actually left Mac for a PC... so I could run Acid. This was a number of years ago, but I have never regretted the move."

Me too. I was fully Mac/Logic for years and went PC primarily for Acid.

Soundtrack and Logic Pro almost brought me back until that Apple sticker shock hit me.

Call me cheap, but I refuse to pay over $1500 for just a desktop.

I don't care how much extra dough I have...the components just don't add up.

Not to mention Apple loves to outdate stuff and force you "upgrade" (aka re-purchase).

I feel for my friends that spent so much hard earned cash on G5s. All that marketing hype and bragging rights for what? 3 or 4 years later...completely unsupported hardware.

Hell...my $279 XP netbook (with only a 900MHZ celeron mind you) still runs Acid 6 and 7 perfectly.

I thought about grabbing a low end mac laptop for DJing and dual booting into XP, but ended up just walking into Best Buy and getting a Dell with the same specs at half the price.

Of course I had to strip the BS and optimize windows, but that took less than 30 minutes.

I try not to be anti-Apple but I always tend to find Mac users to either be snobs, posers, computer illiterate, or just wealthy.

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: raskiefilm

Date:2/18/2010 8:25:01 AM

"I try not to be anti-Apple but I always tend to find Mac users to either be snobs, posers, computer illiterate, or just wealthy."

Well said. I agree.

Subject:RE: Good Bye Sony/PC

Reply by: kitekrazee

Date:2/22/2010 9:33:35 AM

"Of course I had to strip the BS and optimize windows, but that took less than 30 minutes."

I guess that is the beauty of Macs. It's a closed system not welcomed to many outsiders. That does help in some ways. Propeller Head is the same way without allowing 3rd party VSTs.