Subject:acid,smpte,mmc,mtc,midi and 1 inch reel. questions that a PRO cant even answer. not even sonic foundry can answer!!!

Posted by: czarofbizarre

Date:5/3/2001 10:18:31 PM

hello my friends. how are you all. if anyone is out there
reading this it means that i have failed my mission. it
means that i have not been able to record my wav files on 1
inch reel. heres the deal:



i used wav files and loops from a program that has no sync
support. i saved the stuff as wav and loaded it into acid
pro 2.0 i saved the stuff as acid files. i am using a pc
with windows 98, amd k62, 475mhz with 376mb of ram a dio
2448 sound card and a roland um 2 for midi interface. i am
trying to dump all the wav files on 24 track one inch reel
track by track and flown back into the digital realm for
mastering. so now that you know what im trying to do let me
tell you the problem.


problem: im going analog out into a 1 inch machine. i
couldnt get the acid program to chase the 1 inch reel
machine. its a tascam tape with 2 one inch units on it. its
used for 2 24 track tascam mixers. for a total of 48
tracks. i went through and set acid so many ways but it
wouldnt chase the reel. when i finally did get the acid
clock to say LISTENING i couldnt play back any files. the
midi signal was being sent because the lights on the midi
box lit up showing it was getting the message. however acid
would not playback. the timer would roll and roll and roll
but the song would not move.
th eengineer set his stuff to 1.59.59 with smpte non drop
30 frames. i set acid to the same thing. it didnt work. i
ried everything that was listed in the ACID SYNC page from
the manual. no help.


question: what are the proper ways to set acid to sync to a
reel machine? what settings do i need to make so the
engineer can press record on his tape and acid starts
playing? i want to drop the stuff track by track. mute all
the instruments and record. mute record mute record. thats
what i want to do. i just cant get acid to do it. what midi
settings do i need to make within windows? within acid?
what do need to do?


can i load the stuff into cakewalk and sync from that
program? if so what settings do i need to make in cakewalk?


i need SERIOUS help. my LIFE is depending on this......i
only have a limited time. all help will be REWARDED!



ty


czar

ps i hope you understand what my questions are

Subject:RE: acid,smpte,mmc,mtc,midi and 1 inch reel. questions that a PRO cant even answer. not even sonic foundry can answer!!!

Reply by: BLAVAAD

Date:5/5/2001 1:40:45 AM

dude you need a good timebase generator like a
MOtu midi timepiece AV or digital timepiece or
opcode 64xtc.These convert smpte from tape to sync which
then controls the pc.Acid does not really lock all that good
That is why most pros use acid to get the wav files locked
and them import the files to cubase or logic you will need
cubase 5 or VST 3.7.Then the wavs will lock.But you must
also send wordclock or spidif clock in to your soundcard
so that it has asteady lock.I get the wav files to lock
usong opcode 64xtc and cubase 3.7 VST sending the the audio
out using a motu 2408 to 3 adats.The adats can use the asio
mmc which locks better tha smpte.The 1 inch machine will
work but you need to get the midi sync boexes I mentioned
before.Even with this acid sucks as far as lock you will
have to go to a real seq like cubase or logic and then
import the acid files over to cubase.Cubase will lock well
to smpte when it has a good clock interface.

Subject:RE: acid,smpte,mmc,mtc,midi and 1 inch reel. questions that a PRO cant even answer. not even sonic foundry can answer!!!

Reply by: nlamartina

Date:5/5/2001 4:43:46 PM

Bizzare,

If you're willing to spend some cash to rectify this
problem (and it sounds like you are), then perhaps consider
purchasing a TimeSync II from Aardvark. It does all the
stuff that BLAVAAD mentioned in his post, like word clock,
LTC, MTC, and much much more. I went through the
application list and found a diagram that should be right
up your alley:

http://www.aardvark-pro.com/timesyncII_apps_atr.html

It's a pretty nicely draw guide for synchronizing an analog
tape machine to a DAW using LTC. Granted, this might not be
your exact solution (as I'm a bit unfamiliar with old tape
machines), but it's worth checking out. The device's
homepage is at:

http://www.aardvark-pro.com/timesync_lit.html

Take a look. Hopefully you'll find some helpful information.

Best wishes to you,
Nick LaMartina

Subject:RE: acid,smpte,mmc,mtc,midi and 1 inch reel. questions that a PRO cant even answer. not even sonic foundry can answer!!!

Reply by: rmeuk

Date:5/6/2001 1:31:54 PM

The problem with ACID is that is does NOT lock to MTC
properly. ACID 3.0 does not lock at all! The problem goes
back to version 1.0 of that problem and seems to get worse
with every update.
I don't get it why they can't fix such a simple problem.
That way the professionals can't use this otherwise
excellent program. I want to sync ACID to my ProTools TDM
system. So far no luck.

Steve

Subject:RE: acid,smpte,mmc,mtc,midi and 1 inch reel. questions that a PRO cant even answer. not even sonic foundry can answer!!!

Reply by: SonyJennL

Date:5/14/2001 6:56:19 PM

I replied to another post of yours as well.

ACID 3.0 does not sync to incoming timecode.

You can trigger ACID playback via incoming timecode. This
will simply trigger ACID to begin to play. Then ACID will
follow its own internal clock. ACID will be monitoring the
incoming timecode so when it stops receiving timecode-
playback will halt.

Jenn

Subject:RE: acid,smpte,mmc,mtc,midi and 1 inch reel. questions that a PRO cant even answer. not even sonic foundry can answer!!!

Reply by: BobbySlate

Date:5/17/2001 7:09:42 PM

Why don't our friends over at Sonic Foundry just cut the
crap, put their amazing brains together and impliment a nice
working MIDI Sequencing program into Acid so they can hands
down have the best sequencing program in the industry. Ya
all fooled us with Vegas, as we all loaded our program, ran
to the prefs, and looked for our Midi settings....HAHA Midi
settings??? Say what you want but you can't get away from
Midi, Pro audio is Midi, on the other hand for one reason or
another it seems that all of us Pro's out their use, one way
or another, our trusty Sonic Foundrys' Acid. Sonic Foundry
takes the Rocket Science out of going to the moon. Come on
guys....Sequencer, Sequencer, Sequencer!!!