Creating AVCHD DVDs

chrisf wrote on 12/24/2009, 12:56 AM
Following on from a previous post, I was looking to create an AVCHD DVD from some rendered AVCHD footage from our TG3 camcorder.

I've tried using the 'AVCHD disk' option in TSMuxer and writing the resulting directory structure to a DVD. My PS3 recognised the DVD as an AVCHD DVD, but wouldn't play it.

I've also tried using DVD architect, creating a Blu-ray Disc project with the video format set to AVC 1920x1080-50i 16:9, audio format set to AC-3 5.1 Surround. But the PS3 just showed the resulting DVD as a Data Disc.

Does anyone know the best way to create an AVCHD DVD from a M2TS rendered file from Vegas?

Thanks and Merry Christmas!
Chris

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Rob Franks wrote on 12/24/2009, 2:26 AM
I believe there is a bug in DVDa when creating avchd disks and it will almost always show as a data disk. At least I and quite a few others had this issue back when I was playing around with hi-def on dvd media.

I haven't done any avchd disks in quite a long time. I experimented with it for a while though and I found that the best thing to create avchd disks was a cheap off-the-shelf program from Ulead... Ulead movie factory 6
amendegw wrote on 12/24/2009, 2:34 AM
"Does anyone know the best way to create an AVCHD DVD from a M2TS rendered file from Vegas?" I, too, would love see some detailed instructions on how to produce an AVCHD DVD from DVDA.

I've been able to produce AVCHD DVD's from Nero & Cyberlink that play just fine on my Samsung BDP1600 player, but the DVDA produced discs get a loading error.

...Jerry

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chrisf wrote on 12/24/2009, 2:47 AM
Thanks Rob & Jerry.

Jerry, how did you create an AVCHD disc using Nero? I only have Nero Essentials that came bundled with my DVD writer, but (as described above) I tried using burning a DVD data disk using Nero using the output from TSMuxer. Does the full version of Nero come with an AVCHD disc creation feature that I'm missing?

Thanks,
Chris
amendegw wrote on 12/24/2009, 3:26 AM
"Jerry, how did you create an AVCHD disc using Nero?"Nero Vision->Make DVD->AVCHD->follow the prompts.

I have the full version of Nero. Don't know whether Nero Vison comes with the bundled version or not.

Good Luck,
...Jerry

System Model: Alienware Area-51m R2
System: Windows 11 Home
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700K CPU @ 3.80GHz, 3792 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor(s)
Installed Memory: 64.0 GB
Display Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super (8GB), Nvidia Studio Driver 527.56 Dec 2022)
Overclock Off

Display: 1920x1080 144 hertz
Storage (12TB Total):
OS Drive: PM981a NVMe SAMSUNG 2048GB
Data Drive1: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB
Data Drive2: Samsung SSD 870 QVO 8TB

USB: Thunderbolt 3 (USB Type-C) port Supports USB 3.2 Gen 2, DisplayPort 1.2, Thunderbolt 3

Cameras:
Canon R5
Canon R3
Sony A9

chrisf wrote on 12/24/2009, 3:35 AM
Thanks Jerry. The version of Nero Vision I have (V4 Essentials) doesn't seem to have an AVCHD option. I'm a bit loathed to upgrade Nero when DVD Architect should really do this!!
MozartMan wrote on 12/24/2009, 4:55 AM
@chrisf
Does anyone know the best way to create an AVCHD DVD from a M2TS rendered file from Vegas?

@amendegw
I, too, would love see some detailed instructions on how to produce an AVCHD DVD from DVDA.

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DVDA is useless when it comes to creating AVCHD for DVD disk. It also wants to re-encode my gorgeous 5.1 surround sound produced by my Sony XR500V AVCHD camcorder.

You guys need to try multiAVCHD. Go here and read first post and download all necessary tools. All tools are free.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744

I personally don’t use DVDA any more neither for DVD nor AVCHD/Blu-ray authoring. I use Womble EasyDVD for DVD and multiAVCHD for AVCHD/BD authoring.
Rob Franks wrote on 12/24/2009, 5:15 AM
"I personally don’t use DVDA any more neither for DVD nor AVCHD/Blu-ray authoring. I use Womble EasyDVD for DVD and multiAVCHD for AVCHD/BD authoring."

There are NO issues with blu ray authoring in DVDa. I use it to author blu ray everyday.

Let me guess... you're using the studio encoder for your 5.1 work? The studio encoder does not work with Blu Ray. Use the pro encoder and you will not re-compress.

One other note.... If you're rendering with the standard M2TS template (which includes the 5.1 sound), that template uses the studio encoder. Instead render a M2TS without audio and then render a separate AC3 file with the pro encoder. Import these to DVDa and it will not re-compress anything.
MozartMan wrote on 12/24/2009, 5:36 AM
@Rob Franks
There are NO issues with blu ray authoring in DVDa.

Yes, there are for me. Like I said in my previous post DVDA wants to re-encode my gorgeous 5.1 surround sound produced by my Sony XR500V AVCHD camcorder regardless what project I create, BD or AVCHD.

@Rob Franks
Let me guess... you're using the studio encoder for your 5.1 work?

I don’t re-encode neither audio nor video. I copy MTS files from XR500V hard drive to my PC into some folder. Then drag that folder with multiple MTS files into multiAVCHD. multiAVCHD asks me if I want to join all those clips and I choose yes. multiAVCHD combines them into one M2TS file with perfect video/audio sync. Authored AVCHD projects on DVD disks or Blu-ray projects on BD-RE/BD-R disks play perfectly on my PS3 and JVC stand-alone player.
amendegw wrote on 12/24/2009, 5:41 AM
"There are NO issues with blu ray authoring in DVDa."I guess I wasn't very clear in my replies... my authoring problems related to producing standard AVCHD DVDs from DVDA - not blu-ray. I can produce standard AVCHD disks from Nero & Cyberlink without problem.

...Jerry

System Model: Alienware Area-51m R2
System: Windows 11 Home
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700K CPU @ 3.80GHz, 3792 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor(s)
Installed Memory: 64.0 GB
Display Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super (8GB), Nvidia Studio Driver 527.56 Dec 2022)
Overclock Off

Display: 1920x1080 144 hertz
Storage (12TB Total):
OS Drive: PM981a NVMe SAMSUNG 2048GB
Data Drive1: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB
Data Drive2: Samsung SSD 870 QVO 8TB

USB: Thunderbolt 3 (USB Type-C) port Supports USB 3.2 Gen 2, DisplayPort 1.2, Thunderbolt 3

Cameras:
Canon R5
Canon R3
Sony A9

Wolfgang S. wrote on 12/24/2009, 5:53 AM
The DVDA 5 is not able to produce AVCHD-DVDs, since an AVCHD-DVD has a slighlty different structure, compared with BDMD-structures used for BD-R. So, if you wish to generate AVCHD-DVDs, you have to use other tools but not the DVDA5.

What you can try is to create BDMV-DVDs with the DVDA, simply by buring an iso generated with the DVDA5. But you have to try if your blu ray player is able to playback such a structure - not many player will do so. If you try that use AVC - mpeg2-HD generates issues for a lot of player due to constrains in the loader (or you reduce the data rate of mpeg2).

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johnmeyer wrote on 12/24/2009, 8:35 AM
I have not yet been able to do this, but I have received a fair amount of advice. Let me try to summarize this in order to try to help the initial poster, and also see if someone else has a better "cookbook" for putting AVCHD onto a high-def DVD5 or DVD9 disc.

First, here is a "cookbook" for doing this using Movie Factory 6:

How to author MPEG-2 to AVCHD on DVD5

Then there is this one, although I'm not sure whether it involves recompressing the AVCHD to MPEG-2 or not:

Authoring Blu-ray with menus on legacy DVD - Yes you can!

This excellent post by Laurence may be of some help:

Question on AVCHD blu ray disk and PS3

He does an excellent job explaining away the confusion about the difference between the "AVCHD disc" that Vegas creates and the AVCHD disc that you really want to create which, apparently, requires Moviefactory or some other workflow.

If anyone reading this has a concise, up-to-date, simple workflow for creating DVD5/DVD9 AVCHD discs that use menus and will play on most players, I'd sure love to see it.

MozartMan wrote on 12/24/2009, 9:18 AM
@johnmeyer
First, here is a "cookbook" for doing this using Movie Factory 6:

Johnmeyer,

I created that guide last (2008) year. Here is my original post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13065746#post13065746

But you don’t need it any more. multiAVCHD will do everything for you.

Tom’s instructions from dvinfo.net forum are still valid if you want to create AVCHD-on-DVD with all bells and whistles (animated thumbnails, menu with video background, transitions, etc).
Sidecar wrote on 12/24/2009, 1:38 PM
In 2007 I made a short AVCHD HD file on a DVD disc that plays in a Sony Blu-ray player, but nothing else.

Strangely, I was never able to make another DVD that worked even in the same Blu-ray player. I thought I used one of the presets to burn it directly in Vegas (not DVDA) but each time I tried it again it failed.

It also took hours to render out a minute of AVCHD from the timeline.
johnmeyer wrote on 12/24/2009, 4:15 PM
created that guide last (2008) year. Here is my original post:Many thanks, but let me make sure I understand what you are saying. I think you are saying that this program:

multiAVCHD

is all I need. Is that correct? And, if so, what/how do you render out of Vegas (both video and audio) to feed to this program? I can probably figure it out eventually, but if you could let me know that would be great.

MozartMan wrote on 12/24/2009, 5:03 PM
In Vegas you can render multiplexed .m2ts file using SonyAVC codec and AVCHD template. You can also render elementary streams using SonyAVC codec and Blu-ray template.

Then you need to install AviSynth, ffdshow, Haali Media Splitter, and multiAVCHD. All free programs. You can load multiplexed file, or elementary streams, even external subtitles into multiAVCHD. There is a lot of info on this page in the first post:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744

You can search and download other tools from here:
http://www.videohelp.com/tools

multiAVCHD doesn't produce animated menus as of yet, may be in the future, but I don't care about that as long as it doesn't re-encode my compliant video/audio shot with XR500V.
johnmeyer wrote on 12/24/2009, 9:47 PM
Perfect! Nice holiday gift to everyone here.

I'll try it after the holiday guests have left.