Subject:Crossfade help

Posted by: wheat667

Date:12/8/2009 2:48:40 PM

Is there any place I can find illustrated step-by-step examples for how to do a CFade? After reading everything I could in the Help screens, I can't accomplish it.

I tried dragging, pasting, manual cfade, automatic cfade and never got any cfading action. I'm still working on the Event Tool, but so far no success.

Can you still accomplish Cfades thru Paste Special?
Must you use the Event Tool ?


Speaking of the Help screens, there are some confusing things in the Index:
1. there is a topic in the Index called "Crossfading when Pasting Sound Data" which I thought would be perfect. But when you display that screen, you just get info on the Paste command with virtually no info wrt Cfades. If you display the index topic for "Paste" you get to the exact same screen.

2. there are separate index topics for "Crossfade" and "Crossfades". The "Crossfade" topic seems to contain no useful info wrt accomplishing a plain cfade.

3. If you choose "Crossfade" and then "Paste Special", the resulting screen has no mention of CFade (but there info wrt some fading that Paste-Mix does, but I don't want to mix).

thanks for any help.

Subject:RE: Crossfade help

Reply by: jbolley

Date:12/9/2009 10:18:37 AM

what version of SF?
I believe if you run two events together they will crossfade if auto crossfade is enabled...

Jesse

Subject:RE: Crossfade help

Reply by: ForumAdmin

Date:12/9/2009 1:05:28 PM

Paste Special->Crossfade was deprecated in Forge 9.0, mostly because the tool was just a subset of Mix and only practically applied to drag operations overlapping a time selection or the end of the destination file. If you wish to keep the same type of workflow, it is still possible.

1) In Options->Preferences->Editing, enable "Auto-crossfade Mix with selection".
2) In Options->Drag and Drop Editing, select "Mix".
3) Select the region you wish to crossfade in the destination file. If you just want to crossfade at the end of the file, this isn't necessary.
4) Select the region you wish to crossfade in the source file. Drag it into the destination window as you did with the old tool. Note that you'll see the fade-in curve matching the overlap with the destination time selection (or end of file), just as you did before.
5) In the Mix dialog, ensure Source gain is 0.0 dB and Destination Gain is -Inf. dB. Adjust the curve types to linear if you wish (the deprecated Crossfade tool was always linear). Click OK to commit.

Once you've OK'ed step 5 once, you can bypass it by holding down the Shift key when you drop the source, which is the global "apply with same settings" shortcut.

I encourage you to experiment with Event-editing mode, as it is often much more convenient for this sort of task.

J.

Subject:RE: Crossfade help

Reply by: wheat667

Date:12/9/2009 7:47:07 PM

I'm on SF10a.

Here's how I used to do Cfade:
This is all done in the same file/window:
consider the waveform to have these markers: Start, A, B, End
1. Select B:End Cut it to Clipboard (B:End is longer than A:B)
2. Select A:B
3. Paste Special / Cfade
it worked perfectly; there was no dragging involved.

This seems to work ok in SF10a, if I use Paste Special / Mix in step 3.

But I don't see how I can do this with dragging since you can't have 2 wave sections actively selected in one file, right?
So I'll continue to experiment with Event Tool.

thanks.

Subject:RE: Crossfade help

Reply by: wheat667

Date:12/9/2009 8:15:20 PM

I think I might have figured out the dragging method:
Do this all in the same data window/file:
i) select B:End
ii) do not select A:B, but drag the B:End selection to A.
dragging means use Ctrl-LButton. While dragging the mini-waveform icon appears, with a block "P" (not the "M" I was expecting).
iii) release Ctrl, but do not release LButton. Various blue selection areas appear with the Cfade lines overlayed.
iv) release LButton.

If you release LButton before Ctrl, you get a nonsense result and a confusing new Marker, I think.