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John_Cline wrote on 7/29/2009, 5:08 PM
Apple has a long, long history of making relatively recent hardware obsolete. Conversely, I can still run some useful software that I wrote back in the 80s on my current quad-core PC.
Jay Gladwell wrote on 7/29/2009, 7:22 PM

And your point is what...?


Laurence wrote on 7/30/2009, 12:37 AM
We've been talking about this on the Propellerheads Record forum. Non-Intel Macs are not supported and the official Propellerheads response is the following:

"This decision was forced upon us 2 years ago when we were about to release Reason 4, if I remember correcly. When Apple dropped PPC and went with Intel processors instead there was no reason for Motorola to continue to support Code Warrior, i.e. the compiler software that we used for building Reason for PPC. Without a compiler you can't do an application so we had no choice but to leave the PPC users behind. The other compiler, Xcode, could not compile our application for PPCs. So we had no choice but to drop support for PPCs.

Basically nobody is supporting PPCs anymore, not even Apple.
Cheno wrote on 7/30/2009, 12:51 AM
Just upgraded to FCP7 - very happy with it. It's a tool in the toolbox that I need quite often. Can't avoid it when working with other boutiques / studios.

cheno
apit34356 wrote on 7/30/2009, 4:59 AM
"Basically nobody is supporting PPCs anymore, not even Apple. " This probably accounts for the recent bump in Apple sales because old users being forced to upgrade for new software------- but that is not a bad thing for production houses for increase thru put.

Has anyone tested motion4 yet?

I see DXCAM and Blu-Ray has been added. New and improved codecs.
ScorpioProd wrote on 7/30/2009, 2:28 PM
Also curious on Live Fonts in Motion 4 since they did away with Live Type and now have text integrated in Motion 4... Is it easier to use now?
[r]Evolution wrote on 7/30/2009, 4:42 PM
Jay Gladwell

My personal point is... if you don't care about a Topic - Don't read it!
~ Not meaning to offend. Just tired of 'tired' people.

A lot of us use other Platforms and Apps alongside Vegas.
I personally like to hear what people think about different changes in the Industry whether it be about Companies, Applications, Workflow, People, etc.

Personally, I'm hating having to upgrade my MAC but as soon as I start getting projects started in FCP7 I'll have to figure a way to pass on the cost. As of yet, I'm very hesitant because I haven't seen anything in the 'New Features' of FCS3 that make it worthy... except needing to be compatible with others I edit with.

But on the Up-Side maybe it's time to start planning on doing away with my PC's all together and just go MAC running OSX & XP/W7. Afterall... not even the next OSX will be available to us PPC users.

I'm glad I was given such good looks cause' I sure didn't get any riches.
Coursedesign wrote on 7/30/2009, 4:55 PM
I too got exhausted developing workarounds to be able to work with FCP users elsewhere.

The LiveType app is not included in FCS3, but if you're upgrading you can just install it from your old FCS2 disks.

Note that Motion could only ever work with the Live Fonts part, not the LiveType Textures, etc.
TeeJay wrote on 7/30/2009, 5:18 PM
I moved from Vegas to FCS2 about 18 months ago (still have V8 for older projects) and there has always been a few things that Vegas did more intuitively that i'm hoping have been addressed with this latest release, namely;

Looks like the markers have been re-worked. It always bugged me that i couldn't freely move markers like in Vegas.
Clip Retiming, also re-worked. I hate the way it works in FCP but it looks might it may have had a major overhaul. I love in Vegas how you can retime a clip just by Ctl dragging etc.. not so in FCP (at least not previously).
I also bugs me that you can't drag one clip over another like you can in Vegas for automatic cross-fades... I don't think that is possible still with the latest FCP release.

Bottom line is, there is always pro's and con's with each App and i'll continue to use both depending on which better suits the particular project.
[r]Evolution wrote on 9/6/2009, 1:21 PM
For those of you that are not ready to upgrade your PPC.

To install on PPC with the original installer!

Open the file "FinalCutStudio.dist" located on the Install DVD: (Installer/FinalCutStudio.mpkg/Contents/)
Edit this file with Xcode.app (you'll need Apple Developer Tools installed)
Remove the 2 lines that reference Intel.
Save and Burn a new Install DVD or DMG.

or

Use Pacifist to install ($20)

Everything works except AVC Intra as it's truly Intel Only.

REMEMBER:
UnSupported means NOT suggested, NOT tested, and do NOT call us if you're having problems.

ENJOY!

In other interesting news
snow-leopard-will-support-powerpc-chips
Coursedesign wrote on 9/6/2009, 2:18 PM
Just a note that the "Apple Developer Tools" are provided on the system disk, for free (really great stuff too imho).
Jay Gladwell wrote on 9/6/2009, 5:13 PM
Jay Gladwell

Regardless, the Sony Vegas forum is not the place to be discussing FCP.

When you created your account here, you agreed not to "post topics unrelated to the specific subject of the forum..."


Coursedesign wrote on 9/6/2009, 8:34 PM
It is a reality of life for many commercial Vegas editors to have to interoperate with others "who have not found Vegas yet."

That means that some know-how is essential for Vegas editors to be able to continue using their editing platform and still be able to cooperate with others.

Sometimes that means using FCP to disassemble an incoming FCP project and render sequences to work in Vegas where its faster workflow (or Ultimate S plug-ins etc.) can be beneficial.
ushere wrote on 9/6/2009, 9:15 PM
sorry jay,

but i had to work on a variety of nle's until fairly recently, and i like hearing from vegas users their opinions of working / upgrades with / to other nle's.

perhaps i just like the warm fuzzy feeling i get when i hear that brand x nle can't do z.

then again, it also keeps me on my toes knowing vegas shortcomings relative to the others.

i drive a suburu, but that doesn't stop me wondering about toyota, or listening to tales from ford drivers i know.

i have more faith in many multi nle users opinions on this group than i have on any other, and most certainly over advertising and reviews written by total incompetents who think writing a book only requires m$ word.

damn, that render still not done!?

leslie
TheHappyFriar wrote on 9/6/2009, 9:16 PM
Regardless, the Sony Vegas forum is not the place to be discussing FCP.

You've started 4 OT threads in the past two months. ;)

But I'd say this is very related to Vegas: If Sony went how people wanted & made a "recommended hardware" list it could very well end up that whole sets of systems could be "incompatible" & you couldn't even get e-mail support. this is what we'd end up dealing with.
Jay Gladwell wrote on 9/7/2009, 5:48 AM

Friar, have I started four Off Topics on other goods and/or services that are not Sony? Do I discuss products made by Sony's competitors? Let's see...

7/18/2009 10:07:32 AM Info on AFI's Video Archives

7/16/2009 10:55:06 AM Posted a link to a unique video

7/10/2009 9:52:36 AM Posted a link to another unique video

7/6/2009 3:04:34 PM Posted a link to video shot with EX1 (a Sony product)

7/6/2009 8:03:51 AM Asked a question about FLV Mate--Oops, not a Sony product, nor is it in competition with any Sony product

6/25/2009 12:12:31 PM Posted a link to a discussion about film storage and archiving

6/10/2009 10:54:48 AM Asked a question about Nero CoverDesigner--Oops, not a Sony product, nor is it in competition with any Sony product

Wow, seven in two months! Although the above (and many others) are "Off Tpoic" they are not discussing anything that is in direction competition with Sony Vegas. They are all video production related, in one way or another.

The point is, any issues with any other NLE (other than Vegas) should be discussed in their respective forums. That's why they have them. Sony did not create the Vegas Pro forum to discuss FCP.


Cheno wrote on 9/7/2009, 8:30 AM
Jay -

I think you're living a pipe dream to see this as a forum that only and only deals strictly with Sony products. Anyone making a living with these tools maybe be forced at one time or another to work with others who do not. Workflows between various NLEs are not uncommon and to dismiss one's attempt to briefly talk about the update of an NLE that many here use as a tool along with Vegas, is hogwash. I'm not sure how you feel threatened by a fairly short thread dealing with FCP?

For me, it's nice to know which Vegas users also use FCP regularly as there are none that I've found in Utah. Having that knowledge when you need to pass along projects to others using different NLE's is a nice feeling and the initial topic starter was nothing more than awareness, not propaganda.

cheno
[r]Evolution wrote on 9/7/2009, 8:57 AM
Jay Gladwell
-- Why do you continue to view/read/follow/comment a Forum Topic that apparently you have no interest in?
-- YOU are neither the only Vegas editor out there nor are you the regulator of topics.

Many of us often times find ourselves needing to resort to other NLE's to get a job done. I was faced with a problem that I'm sure other Vegas editors will face... to upgrade my FCS rig or not. I hope this Forum Topic, that has nothing to do with Jay Gladwell, helps others who are faced with the same dilemma.

When I'm here in the Forums, I tend to skip over the subjects that I have no interest in. I strongly urge others do the same.

I think you, Jay Gladwell, should have learned your lesson HERE about proper forum etiquette. Apparently not.

It's a shame to see you jump in and pollute a topic the way you have. It forces those of us that are interested in a topic to weed through the Crap you Create to get to definitive knowledge offered by others.

"2wrongs don't make a right."
If you feel it was wrong to post this topic; remember, you only helped to fuel the fire by responding and keeping it in the current cue for so long.

Honestly, there is no need for a rebuttal.
If you are not interested in the Forum Topic, please refrain from commenting as your Confrontational approach only serves to separate yourself from the community.
Coursedesign wrote on 9/7/2009, 8:58 AM
LAFCPUG (Los Angeles Final Cut Pro User group, you can see why they abbreviate) have had many meetings where pro users using other NLEs were invited to present those NLEs in the best light possible.

Tim Duncan showed Vegas there a few years ago (on a huge theater screen above him on stage), and I saw a lot of dropped jaws as he did a number of things in a fraction of the time they would take in FCP.

I have to say this openmindedness is commendable, but the key here isn't even that.

The key is that a lot of professional Vegas users have to work with people who don't use Vegas.

If those Vegas users turn their noses up, they don't eat.

Jay Gladwell wrote on 9/7/2009, 9:28 AM

Sync, actually, I understand your position fully. YOU think you're the only one who is entitled to have an opinion.

When you need information about another NLE, you should go that NLEs forum and get help. Who, in his right mind, would go to the Final Cut Pro forum and post questions and comments about Vegas? I wonder how often that happens? Anyway...

So let's post topics about anything and everything, whether it has anything to do with Sony Vegas or not (regardless of it it has to do with video production or not, it'll make no difference); whether it's direct competion with Vegas or not. All topics are acceptable. There is no line, there are no boundries. Anything goes.

Maybe SCS will change the name of the forum to "What Ever You Want To Post Forum". Now there's a thought.


apit34356 wrote on 9/7/2009, 9:51 AM
really guys, the rules and general understanding if fairly clear, I think. Anything non Vegas, in the Subject box you start with OT: , not RE: . That said, most the posted information has value, its value may will vary between individuals, but its nice the Sony forum is as open as it is.
Cliff Etzel wrote on 9/7/2009, 10:12 AM
why is a pi$$ing match ensuing for this thread???

I've begun to spend less time here due to this kind of behavior by certain forum members.

More egocentric drivel...

Bring civil discourse back to the Vegas Forums please

Cliff Etzel
Videographer : Producer : Web Designer
bluprojekt
Jay Gladwell wrote on 9/7/2009, 10:29 AM

Good point, Apit. Thanks for the thought!

It just strikes me as being a bit rude to come into a company's Web forum that was provided as a customer service for their products and then post threads regarding a competing company's product. There are other sites for that very purpose. DVi is a perfect example. The Cow is another.

Sync and I agree to disagree agreeably on the issue.

Consider it dropped.


[r]Evolution wrote on 9/8/2009, 9:41 AM
Jay Gladwell
Sync, actually, I understand your position fully. YOU think you're the only one who is entitled to have an opinion.
-- Rem: It was YOU that tried to stifle my opinion. I encourage and respect everyone's opinion when presented in a respectful manner.

Course Design
The key is that a lot of professional Vegas users have to work with people who don't use Vegas.
-- Precisely my point of bringing it to the Vegas forums... to see how others are dealing with it and to see if there solution(s) will work for me.

Jay Gladwell
When you need information about another NLE, you should go that NLEs forum and get help.
-- I came to the right forum as it was the Vegas user's thoughts & opinions that I sought.

Jay Gladwell
whether it's direct competion with Vegas or not.
-- Neither FCP nor FCS are in direct competition with Vegas in my bays. Avid, Premiere, Final Cut, & Vegas are all used here and are all equally respected as compliments of one another.

bluprojekt
why is a pi$$ing match ensuing for this thread???
-- My sentiments exactly. My hope was to get feedback from others that also combine FCP/FCS w/ Vegas and see how their business is dealing with it in hopes of finding a solution for myself.

Jay Gladwell
It just strikes me as being a bit rude to come into a company's Web forum that was provided as a customer service for their products and then post threads regarding a competing company's product.
-- In no way did I say 'Go buy FCP/FCS'.

Jay Gladwell
Consider it dropped.
-- Your track record says different but none the less, you're entitled to do and say what you want.
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I do not apologize for starting this thread as I feel it is relevant to many Vegas users.
I do apologize to those of you that came here seeking a qualified opinion & advice but found yourself in the middle of 'this'.

I feel that I proved my loyalty to this community by not only researching but coming back and sharing found knowledge.

Out of respect for you all, I will not post anymore in this thread as I feel I have done a very positive thing for many members of the Vegas community and refuse to let a distorted picture of me be painted.