Anyone Use BRITEK Green Chromakey Muslin?

Soniclight wrote on 7/21/2009, 4:37 PM
Trying to find a balance between cost and quality, and there is a wide range. Britek seems affordable, but then who knows if it's good stuff. Hence question.

And for those who don't know me here, I'm a guy living on limited fixed income, not a production house or film company. Just a serious quasi-pro/amateur.

Thanks.

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farss wrote on 7/21/2009, 5:38 PM
One problem I've found with fabric screens is you need to be careful to ensure they are out of focus if trying to key HD. Haven't tried it as yet but I'm quite attracted to buying a roll or length of digital green paper. So cheap you can throw it away if it gets soiled, you can cut it to size or roll out enough to handle a full body shot. Other advantage of paper is you can create a seemless cyc for full body shots.

Bob.
Soniclight wrote on 7/21/2009, 10:24 PM
Thanks for reply. My only concerns about paper -- this due in part to ignorance and part necessity:

A) Wouldn't paper be more shiny and tougher to get to be even? Once a frame is built for cloth, stretching it takes care of such visual imperfections.

B) I'm looking at at least 9'x12' muslin to use horizontally, wide angle so to speak. And for floor+wall coverage vertically if so needed.
The Kid wrote on 7/21/2009, 10:30 PM
I bought one from Tubetape and I like it and very affordable. I bought thier largest muslin green screen and I thing it cost me about 100.00 dollars, so far it does the job.
Daryl
farss wrote on 7/22/2009, 12:23 AM
"Wouldn't paper be more shiny and tougher to get to be even?"

No, it simply hangs evenly. It's reasonably thick. Printed paper backgrounds are used all the time in stills photography. The paper has a matte finish so no excessive reflections.

"Once a frame is built for cloth, stretching it takes care of such visual imperfections."

You'd think but last time I used a Scrim Jim fabric background no amount of stretching would get a crease out of it. Admittedly it was a heavy fabric that's blue on one side and green on the other. If you do get fabric I'd suggest also getting a length of PVC pipe and rolling the fabric around that for storage rather than folding it.

Here's a link to the kind of product I'm talking about. As it turns out this one is velvet non woven polyester. You'd probably buy this at around USD 15 / metre. Same company down here also sells Colortone seemless background paper in CK green by the roll.

Bob.
Soniclight wrote on 7/22/2009, 2:05 PM
"...fabric background no amount of stretching would get a crease out of it. "

Hey, ever heard of an iron, Bob? Works on creases, specifically on cloth, ya know :o) That said, if one has miles of it, that would be some tedious ironing...

As to DIY way of getting adequate green cloth, I've already started to look around fabric stores. Turns out muslin is considered lower grade cotton because it's not treated (i.e. cheaper for large sizes and also more matte).

Related to that, I've been toying off and on with the idea of getting a used sewing machine for about USD $50, and voila: one can make as many backgrounds with pole sleeves one wants. Would also come in handy for other non-film related stuff (like repairing clothes--what a concept).

However, I have to weigh the costs of DIY vs. pre-made in terms of chromakey. Sometimes DIY can turn out costing more once all the parts necessary are factored in.

So still thinking this through, one step at a time. I'll look into the paper route if more cost effective and practical, but currently leaning cloth.
JoeMess wrote on 7/22/2009, 2:33 PM
Has anyone here tried the Chromakey paints? I am finishing a very large unfinished attic with high ceilings and I am strongly considering it, but would like experienced feedback.

Joe
mtntvguy wrote on 7/22/2009, 4:51 PM
Chromakey paint is used every day in almost every TV station in the world.

Re: Britek screen... I used another guy's not long ago. Worked fine. Just light it evenly, like any other.
corug7 wrote on 7/22/2009, 5:46 PM
Yeah, I tried the iron bit. Two hours later, when I thought I was done, the first part ironed was wrinkled again. A fabric steamer works quite well when the greenscreen is hanging, though.
stevengotts wrote on 7/22/2009, 6:38 PM
after years of using painted walls, Disney green fabric and the flex pop chroma key I settled on a screen from eefx.com and have never used anything else since. It has a foam back and a spray bottle of water removes any wrinkles I encounter.
Al Min wrote on 7/22/2009, 11:33 PM
I bought one of the hoop type screens with blue on one side and green on the other. It springs open from three coils in a bag to quite a large size. It's listed on the Digital Juice site, but I got mine off TradeMe here in NZ for about $NZ140.00. I'm quite impressed with it. I did a very quick test using just the natural light from the window and got very good results for a first timer. Mind you, I only intend to use it for interviews of people sitting on couches. But its big enough to do a full stand up shot in the vertical position, and I'll be able to use my two camera alt shots in the horizontal position. I just bought a couple of backdrop stands to hang the thing up using its built in loops. Early days, but I'm very impressed so far.
Soniclight wrote on 7/23/2009, 8:02 AM
"after years of using painted walls, Disney green fabric and the flex pop chroma key I settled on a screen from eefx.com and have never used anything else since. It has a foam back and a spray bottle of water removes any wrinkles I encounter."

Looks like impressive stuff, but not cheap for the paupers amongst us since I need the larger size. I could try to look for a second-hand one on Craigslist, but that's 100% self-delusion :)

Renting one isn't an option for I need to have one handy as-needed.
rs170a wrote on 7/23/2009, 8:39 AM
Renting one isn't an option for I need to have one handy as-needed.

16'5" Trevira CS Digital Muslin - 16'5' wide - $53.62 per yd.

92" Keying Spandex - 92: wide - $50 per yd.

Mike
alltheseworlds wrote on 7/23/2009, 8:47 AM
I've used all sorts backgrounds to chromakey: green muslin; painted wall; blue polyester (not so crinkly); foldout screen etc. For me it's not the fabric that's so important, it's the lighting.
Soniclight wrote on 7/23/2009, 4:18 PM
Mike/rs170a,

Interesting option with the 92" spandex version in your second link, though either one is a bit expensive for my wallet. I also noticed something else at that page:

--- The swaths for chromakey material show two greens: regular and "digital" (the lighter hue). Naturally, RGB representations of cloth are hard to do, but I've never seen this regular-vs.-"digital" thing.
farss wrote on 7/23/2009, 4:46 PM
"but I've never seen this regular-vs.-"digital" thing"

The intent is to align the color to the primary chromaticity of the system being used. I guess technically there'd be one color for SD and one for HD if you wanted to be totally anal.

Easy way to check where your screen is aligned, mask out a section of it and look at the vectorscope in Vegas. It should align with green marker.

Bob.