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Subject:Volume level, batch converting
Posted by: Svensson
Date:1/4/2001 10:41:00 AM
I want to know if there is any way to get multiple soundtracks (speach) at the same level, say rms 14, by using the batch converter. I want the sounds exactly at the same level.. Yes I know, sf:s helpfiles says that this is not possible, but maybe you guys have a clue. Thanks. Peter |
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Subject:Re: Volume level, batch converting
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:1/4/2001 12:16:00 PM
You can use the Normalize command and check "Average RMS Power" and then adjust the slider to -14dB. Unfortunately I have never learned how to effectively use the batch converter so I can't help you with that. Can someone give me a step by step tutorial using the batch converter to "normalize" multiple files? I've tried this in the past and haven't quite figured it out yet. Brian Franz Peter Svensson wrote: >>I want to know if there is any way to get multiple >>soundtracks (speach) at the same level, say rms 14, by >>using the batch converter. >>I want the sounds exactly at the same level.. >>Yes I know, sf:s helpfiles says that this is not possible, >>but maybe you guys have a clue. >>Thanks. >> >>Peter |
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Subject:Re: How to use Batch Converter
Reply by: Ted_H
Date:1/5/2001 10:53:00 AM
Hello, This is how to use the Batch Converter: 1. Open the Batch Converter from the tools menu in Sound Forge. 2. Go to the options menu of Batch Converter and select "Conversion Settings". 3. If you wish to convert the files to a different format, put a check in the "File Format" checkbox. To apply a plug- in, put a check mark in the "Use Plug-ins" box. 4. Change the file format to the desired format, or select your class of plug-in. The classes are the same as the menus across the top of the Sound Forge window. After you have selected a class, select either a function or a preset. 5. After you have set your parameters the way you want them, click on the plus sign (+) to the right of the words "Batch Script". If you want to perform more than one operation in one script, go back and select another plug- in, making sure to click the plus sign when you are finished. 6. After you have set up your script, click OK. 7. Go to the file menu and select "Add". 8. Click on the 'Destination' button in Batch Converter to set up a directory to put the converted files into. 9. Click the 'convert' menu in Batch Converter and select "Run Current Script" and Batch converter will take care of all the files that have been added. Ted Brian Franz wrote: >>You can use the Normalize command and check "Average RMS >>Power" and then adjust the slider to -14dB. Unfortunately >>I have never learned how to effectively use the batch >>converter so I can't help you with that. Can someone give >>me a step by step tutorial using the batch converter >>to "normalize" multiple files? I've tried this in the past >>and haven't quite figured it out yet. >> >>Brian Franz >> >> >> >>Peter Svensson wrote: >>>>I want to know if there is any way to get multiple >>>>soundtracks (speach) at the same level, say rms 14, by >>>>using the batch converter. >>>>I want the sounds exactly at the same level.. >>>>Yes I know, sf:s helpfiles says that this is not >>possible, >>>>but maybe you guys have a clue. >>>>Thanks. >>>> >>>>Peter |
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Subject:Re: How to use Batch Converter
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:1/5/2001 2:06:00 PM
Thank you Ted, Now when I master an entire album I can simultaneously normalize all the songs and walk away and go get a beer.....uhhhmm.. I mean coffee, and come back and it will be done. Ted Hoch wrote: >>Hello, >> >>This is how to use the Batch Converter: >> >>1. Open the Batch Converter from the tools menu in Sound >>Forge. >> >>2. Go to the options menu of Batch Converter and >>select "Conversion Settings". >> >>3. If you wish to convert the files to a different format, >>put a check in the "File Format" checkbox. To apply a plug- >>in, put a check mark in the "Use Plug-ins" box. >> >>4. Change the file format to the desired format, or select >>your class of plug-in. The classes are the same as the >>menus across the top of the Sound Forge window. After you >>have selected a class, select either a function or a preset. >> >>5. After you have set your parameters the way you want >>them, click on the plus sign (+) to the right of the >>words "Batch Script". If you want to perform more than one >>operation in one script, go back and select another plug- >>in, making sure to click the plus sign when you are >>finished. >> >>6. After you have set up your script, click OK. >> >>7. Go to the file menu and select "Add". >> >>8. Click on the 'Destination' button in Batch Converter to >>set up a directory to put the converted files into. >> >>9. Click the 'convert' menu in Batch Converter and >>select "Run Current Script" and Batch converter will take >>care of all the files that have been added. >> >> >>Ted >> >> >> >>Brian Franz wrote: >>>>You can use the Normalize command and check "Average RMS >>>>Power" and then adjust the slider to -14dB. >>Unfortunately >>>>I have never learned how to effectively use the batch >>>>converter so I can't help you with that. Can someone >>give >>>>me a step by step tutorial using the batch converter >>>>to "normalize" multiple files? I've tried this in the >>past >>>>and haven't quite figured it out yet. >>>> >>>>Brian Franz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Peter Svensson wrote: >>>>>>I want to know if there is any way to get multiple >>>>>>soundtracks (speach) at the same level, say rms 14, by >>>>>>using the batch converter. >>>>>>I want the sounds exactly at the same level.. >>>>>>Yes I know, sf:s helpfiles says that this is not >>>>possible, >>>>>>but maybe you guys have a clue. >>>>>>Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>>Peter |
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Subject:Re: Remastering 78s & Removing bangs caused by cracks
Reply by: DavidW12
Date:1/26/2001 12:18:00 PM
I really don't see how anyone can make such a statement as "maybe about only 5 lines of code" when that person has not seen the source code and has no idea what algorythms are involved in the process. Its really easy to do "arm chair coding" but when it comes down to really writing code its a different story. And with version 5 on the horizion, why would SF spend a lot of time and money on R&D for a product that will soon be obsolete? The documentation clearly says Noise Reduction will reduce scratches, pops, hisses, and similar noise from vinyl records. It does not say it will fix skips, jumps, or build bridges over a gap ("large enough to insert a business card into...") in the vinyl. SF sells software not magic. Joseph Zeglinski wrote: >> I am interested in remastering & preserving the family >>collection of old SHELLAC 78's. Vinyl records are not a >>problem, since they never crack. >> The problem has been that neither SF4.5H nor Noise >>Reduction 2.0a, have any effect in finding & handling the >>huge , upto 10 millisec wide clicks caused by a crack in >>the record (large enough to insert a business card into). >>At 78 RPM and a 3 minute long record, this could mean 234 >>painfull manual search & cuts. Even if SF/NR could handle >>the large click, it would ONLY reduce it in amplitude, >>leaving a decreased average section still there - which >>would be incorrect, since the gap is not really "music", >>just an artifact, caused by the phono-needle crashing into >>the far edge, which should really be cut out entirely. The >>sound of the needle in air across the gap, is definitely >>not a section of music. >> SOUND FORGE tech support maintains that there is no >>solution to the problem, other than back breaking, eye >>straining labour. >> WRONG! SF4.5 has just the correct solution to this >>common problem, but requires SF developers to spend a few >>minutes to fix their software - maybe only about 5 lines of >>code. >>The solution is to use the SF4.5 "EFFECTS - GAPPER / >>SNIPPER" menu item. All you have to do is set the FREQ >>parameter precisely enough to CUT sections of upto even >>1.0 seconds wide, starting at the first huge bang (crack), >>and repeating for the entire selected section ( which could >>even be the whole record). >> SOUND FORGE doesn't realize that this amusing "special >>effect" is actually a marvelous editing TOOL. >> You don't actually have to SNIP sections right to the >>end of the record, since the physical crack in the shellac >>78 record gradually narrows and is fairly quiet past >>halfway through the recording. >> PROBLEM: This works "almost perfectly", except that SF >>only allows "ONE SINGLE DECIMAL positon for FREQ" value, >>which then causes the snip-point to drift further apart >>after about 8 or 10 seconds of play. You really need more >>decimals for the FREQ value - 5 would be nice. This is a >>minor fix that their staff could & should impliment in the >>next (rev i) update. >> The other problem you will notice is that the FREQ will >>not be exactly 1/(78 x 60 ) HZ, for 2 reasons. First, no >>two turntables (old or new) rotate at precisely 78 RPM, due >>to motor speeds, friction, and weight of the record & >>turntable platter. Second, most cracks I have noticed are >>fairly uniform - in fact radial. The cracks in shellac >>records seem to start at the edge, and generally extend >>right to the centre (hub), probably due to the physics of a >>circular material with a hole at the geometric centric & >>distribution of mass. However, I have seen some short >>cracks, even jags that reverse their direction, away from >>perfectly radial, probably due to differences in density of >>the shellac as the crack develops. >> NO PROBLEM. Just high-light the section you need fixed, >>one at a time if there is a jag, and "adjust" the value of >>FREQ until the snip positions are correct. This should be a >>very minor change in decimal position, away from the >>perfect 78 rpm setting. Mathematically, for those that use >>a protractor, the change in FREQ for an angular crack, >>would be >> = FREQ [+ or -] 1/(1 - sin[crack angle]). >>The +/- sign depends on whether the crack extends toward >>the tone arm needle, or away from it. >> I have experimented with using EFFECTS GAPPER / SNIPPER >>with a badly crack shellac record, and the results were >>promising. Just waiting for SOUND FORGE developers to react. >>So far, just a polite form letter email on my solution, but >>there is always hope, if there are more customers using >>their product for 78 restoration. >>Good luck all. Please let me know what you think, and if >>you have other solutions to the CRACKED 78 PROBLEM. |
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Subject:Re: Remastering 78s & Removing bangs caused by cracks
Reply by: DavidW12
Date:1/26/2001 12:22:00 PM
I really don't see how anyone can make such a statement as "maybe about only 5 lines of code" when that person has not seen the source code and has no idea what algorythms are involved in the process. Its really easy to do "arm chair coding" but when it comes down to really writing code its a different story. And with version 5 on the horizion, why would SF spend a lot of time and money on R&D for a product that will soon be obsolete? The documentation clearly says Noise Reduction will reduce scratches, pops, hisses, and similar noise from vinyl records. It does not say it will fix skips, jumps, or build bridges over a gap ("large enough to insert a business card into...") in the vinyl. SF sells software not magic. Joseph Zeglinski wrote: >> I am interested in remastering & preserving the family >>collection of old SHELLAC 78's. Vinyl records are not a >>problem, since they never crack. >> The problem has been that neither SF4.5H nor Noise >>Reduction 2.0a, have any effect in finding & handling the >>huge , upto 10 millisec wide clicks caused by a crack in >>the record (large enough to insert a business card into). >>At 78 RPM and a 3 minute long record, this could mean 234 >>painfull manual search & cuts. Even if SF/NR could handle >>the large click, it would ONLY reduce it in amplitude, >>leaving a decreased average section still there - which >>would be incorrect, since the gap is not really "music", >>just an artifact, caused by the phono-needle crashing into >>the far edge, which should really be cut out entirely. The >>sound of the needle in air across the gap, is definitely >>not a section of music. >> SOUND FORGE tech support maintains that there is no >>solution to the problem, other than back breaking, eye >>straining labour. >> WRONG! SF4.5 has just the correct solution to this >>common problem, but requires SF developers to spend a few >>minutes to fix their software - maybe only about 5 lines of >>code. >>The solution is to use the SF4.5 "EFFECTS - GAPPER / >>SNIPPER" menu item. All you have to do is set the FREQ >>parameter precisely enough to CUT sections of upto even >>1.0 seconds wide, starting at the first huge bang (crack), >>and repeating for the entire selected section ( which could >>even be the whole record). >> SOUND FORGE doesn't realize that this amusing "special >>effect" is actually a marvelous editing TOOL. >> You don't actually have to SNIP sections right to the >>end of the record, since the physical crack in the shellac >>78 record gradually narrows and is fairly quiet past >>halfway through the recording. >> PROBLEM: This works "almost perfectly", except that SF >>only allows "ONE SINGLE DECIMAL positon for FREQ" value, >>which then causes the snip-point to drift further apart >>after about 8 or 10 seconds of play. You really need more >>decimals for the FREQ value - 5 would be nice. This is a >>minor fix that their staff could & should impliment in the >>next (rev i) update. >> The other problem you will notice is that the FREQ will >>not be exactly 1/(78 x 60 ) HZ, for 2 reasons. First, no >>two turntables (old or new) rotate at precisely 78 RPM, due >>to motor speeds, friction, and weight of the record & >>turntable platter. Second, most cracks I have noticed are >>fairly uniform - in fact radial. The cracks in shellac >>records seem to start at the edge, and generally extend >>right to the centre (hub), probably due to the physics of a >>circular material with a hole at the geometric centric & >>distribution of mass. However, I have seen some short >>cracks, even jags that reverse their direction, away from >>perfectly radial, probably due to differences in density of >>the shellac as the crack develops. >> NO PROBLEM. Just high-light the section you need fixed, >>one at a time if there is a jag, and "adjust" the value of >>FREQ until the snip positions are correct. This should be a >>very minor change in decimal position, away from the >>perfect 78 rpm setting. Mathematically, for those that use >>a protractor, the change in FREQ for an angular crack, >>would be >> = FREQ [+ or -] 1/(1 - sin[crack angle]). >>The +/- sign depends on whether the crack extends toward >>the tone arm needle, or away from it. >> I have experimented with using EFFECTS GAPPER / SNIPPER >>with a badly crack shellac record, and the results were >>promising. Just waiting for SOUND FORGE developers to react. >>So far, just a polite form letter email on my solution, but >>there is always hope, if there are more customers using >>their product for 78 restoration. >>Good luck all. Please let me know what you think, and if >>you have other solutions to the CRACKED 78 PROBLEM. |
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Subject:RE: Re: Remastering 78s & Removing bangs caused by cracks
Reply by: JAZ
Date:2/19/2001 12:06:16 PM
Thanks Dave, With over 35 years experience on computer systems software & hardware, starting in the old days of assembler code, I have a pretty good gut feel about what is involved. The "decimal positions fix" is a no brainer - just a change in the C-code input format specifier - probably just one line of code. |
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Subject:RE: Re: Remastering 78s & Removing bangs caused by cracks
Reply by: JAZ
Date:2/19/2001 12:11:47 PM
Thanks Dave, With over 35 years experience on computer systems software design and coding & hardware design, starting back in the old days of assembler code, I have a pretty good good gut feel about what is involved. The "decimal positions fix" is a no brainer - just a change in the C- code input format specifier - probably just one line of code. Anyway, SF5.0 Beta build 102 added 2 more decimal positions (total 3), and now the problem is solved. Works nearly perfectly. Perhaps you need to be less snooty about tools others besides yourself require. The level of heat expressed by some professionals in the business, could alleviate the energy crisis. Thanks for your help. |
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Subject:RE: Re: Remastering 78s & Removing bangs caused by cracks
Reply by: SonyEPM
Date:2/19/2001 2:54:58 PM
We do have an audio plug-in developer kit on the website should you want to tackle this on your own... http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=30 |
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Subject:RE: Re: Remastering 78s & Removing bangs caused by cracks
Reply by: JAZ
Date:2/20/2001 12:48:11 PM
Thanks SonicEPM, But you have already tackled it quite well in SF5 Beta. The new "3 decimal precision" entry that you changed to in the SPECIAL/EDIT TEMPO, "FREQUENCY of events" parameter, solved the original bug/problem very nicely, just as I originally recommended to you. Don't know why others on the forum complain about S.F. not listening to its customers - eventually Sonic Foundry does get the point, and I appreciate that. Just requires persistence in getting oneself understood, I guess. Cheers |