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Subject:Meters Posted by: Rednroll Date:2/5/2001 8:50:34 AM Also as a suggestion. Sound Forge has always been lacking a VU meter. I always thought Sounge Forge to be first and far most a mastering tool, and VU meters are eccential for mastering. Maybe someone at Steinberg actually realized this, and this is why Wavelab meters have both VU meters and Peak meters, on both playback and input. Any mastering engineer or even a novice audio enthusiast, will wonder why some songs are louder in comparison to one another, although both songs have been normalized and thus read the same on a peak meter. Well there is no secret to the loudness difference, this is due to compression, but how do you judge the amount of compression to use so all your songs have the same amount of loudness. The answer is to use a VU meter instead of a peak meter. VU meters work on an "average level" response. This is how your ears also perceive loudness, on an "average level". Sound Forge needs to have VU meters, so you can make sure that the average levels are the same from song to song. Obviously, Wavelab has all the tools needed to do proper mastering, and if they only had CD architect instead of that audio montage thing, I would use that program over sound forge, but I think it's time for Sound Forge to do some serious catching up.
Subject:RE: Meters Reply by: ramallo Date:2/5/2001 3:03:33 PM Hi, You don't need VU's. The meters of SF show peak and valley, the peak is like a peak meter and the valley is like a VU (RMS), you have a good tools like "statistics" for show the RMS and the peak of a selection or all the song. The trouble with the SF meters, are the imposibility of select the number of samples for set the over. Some conservative meters uses 3 samples to mark over, and other uses 5 samples, if you play a song that was mastering with 5 sample meter, you see overs (But isn't true). For better pro work, Sonic Foundry need set a user configurable meters between 1 to 10 samples. Of course, a correlation meter are a very good mastering bench. SF, a correlation meter, please Best regards

Posted by: Rednroll

Date:2/5/2001 8:50:34 AM

Also as a suggestion. Sound Forge has always been lacking
a VU meter. I always thought Sounge Forge to be first and
far most a mastering tool, and VU meters are eccential for
mastering. Maybe someone at Steinberg actually realized
this, and this is why Wavelab meters have both VU meters
and Peak meters, on both playback and input. Any mastering
engineer or even a novice audio enthusiast, will wonder why
some songs are louder in comparison to one another,
although both songs have been normalized and thus read the
same on a peak meter. Well there is no secret to the
loudness difference, this is due to compression, but how do
you judge the amount of compression to use so all your
songs have the same amount of loudness. The answer is to
use a VU meter instead of a peak meter. VU meters work on
an "average level" response. This is how your ears also
perceive loudness, on an "average level". Sound Forge
needs to have VU meters, so you can make sure that the
average levels are the same from song to song.
Obviously, Wavelab has all the tools needed to do proper
mastering, and if they only had CD architect instead of
that audio montage thing, I would use that program over
sound forge, but I think it's time for Sound Forge to do
some serious catching up.

Subject:RE: Meters

Reply by: ramallo

Date:2/5/2001 3:03:33 PM

Hi,

You don't need VU's. The meters of SF show peak and valley,
the peak is like a peak meter and the valley is like a VU
(RMS), you have a good tools like "statistics" for show the
RMS and the peak of a selection or all the song.

The trouble with the SF meters, are the imposibility of
select the number of samples for set the over. Some
conservative meters uses 3 samples to mark over, and other
uses 5 samples, if you play a song that was mastering with
5 sample meter, you see overs (But isn't true). For better
pro work, Sonic Foundry need set a user configurable meters
between 1 to 10 samples.

Of course, a correlation meter are a very good mastering
bench. SF, a correlation meter, please

Best regards