Subject:VST Recording

Posted by: sqig

Date:5/12/2009 1:00:32 PM

how do you record a VST instrument? when I try to record the other tracks are recorded as well, even although I am trying to route the recording track through a different route.

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/13/2009 8:20:24 AM

VST Instruments are recorded with MIDI.

- Make sure your external MIDI input source is connected and configured.
- Add your softsynth of choice. (What are you using?)
- Add a MIDI track to ACID and route the MIDI track to the VST softsynth you added.
- Play your external keyboard to make sure you are triggering the softsynth.
- Arm the MIDI track you created.
- Click the record button on the main transport.

Play your MIDI keyboard.

You might also want to set up the count in metronome feature if you are using ACID Pro 7.

Peter

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: sqig

Date:5/16/2009 9:48:58 AM

Thank you Peter ...I understand now.

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: sqig

Date:5/16/2009 11:10:46 AM

Sorry Peter, I've still got a glitch.
I'm using a Kore Player soft synth with a Roland XP 80 as the keyboard. I insert the soft synth and it works fine, but when I insert a midi track and arm it for record, I get a fatal loop in the soft synth and have to turn everything off.How do I control the looping problem?

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/16/2009 2:33:25 PM

I don't know what a fatal loop is.

Peter

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: sqig

Date:5/16/2009 3:45:52 PM

sorry.....when i play the soft synth, in record mode the sound starts to loop and gets more and more out of control untill the sound is just a mess. The only way out is to turn everything off.

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: cutho

Date:5/17/2009 5:49:15 AM

hi sqiq - and others

I'm also new to VST and have had this effect of the "fatal" loop - among many others - in my VSTi adventures so far - notes refusing to turn off - especially in string patches - sounds kind of avante garde for a bit and then it just becomes absolutely horrible..

But at last I was able to record glitch-free, prisitine audio from my E-mu Emulator X2 - using just the settings as defined in the interactive tutorials within Acid Pro 7 (woo-hoo! man discovers fire!)

- so that was Emu X2 with AKAI MPK49 connected with USB midi


having added some beautiful midi sounds to the songs - finally recording midi pretty much in excellent time - i thought it best to freeze the midi tracks and save the projects as ACID.ZIP files so everything that might be needed would be kind of hurled along for the ride

BUT on re-opening the program after reboot it simply could not open these mission critical files. I'd get fatal exceptions and failure to load, near misses - and for a while it looked like I was actually locked out of my projects entirely - this is a very unpleasant feeling indeed...


I uninstalled and re-installed Acid 7c

same again

until today - when all the zip files mysteriously started opening and loading as if nothing had ever gone wrong.

there were the exact sounds I'd recorded - jubilation!


until tonight -

being nervous I left everything in the state it was in when the files opened earlier today - that is, no AKAI connected..and with the EMU 1820M audio card and E-MU PatchMix in the same state etc..

but no go again - the program hangs all over the place - five minutes go by. vista's mac-like blue circle of activity spins and spins and "acid has stopped responding" messages come and go - this is all in the effort to open a one loop, one midi file project..

are threre ghosts in my machine?

am I doing something really, really stupid?

can somebody out there lend a hand - with any part of this?

ta in advance,

cutho

SYSTEM

Acid 7c
Emu Emulator X2
EMU 1820
AKAI MPK49
OS Name Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate
Version 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 Build 6001

System Model 965P-DS3P
System Type X86-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz, 2400 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)



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Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: sqig

Date:5/21/2009 11:52:48 AM

Has it got something to do with the Rx and Tx settings on the keyboard midi settings...i presume these mean Receive and Transmit.......if they are both on does that mean they will loop back and forth until they get out of control ( fatal loop )

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:5/22/2009 5:53:49 AM

sqig:
It sounds like you're having the softsynth triggered by both the keyboard and the MIDI track in Acid. It should only be triggered by the MIDI track in Acid. Are you by chance running the Kore Player softsynth in both standalone mode AND inside Acid at the same time? This is one way you'd get the problem you're having. If so, shut down the standalone version and just use the version triggered by the MIDI track in Acid.

Jack

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: sqig

Date:5/23/2009 4:00:59 PM

Thx Jack...I'm pretty sure I'm not doing that, as I'm only opening up Kore from within Acid. Is there another way the synth could be triggered by the two scources, by settings or through the Midiman sport 2x2 I'm using?

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:5/24/2009 4:14:31 AM

It's possible the output of the MIDI is being fed back into the input of the MIDI, but as to how, that's only something you can figure out. I'd get a piece of paper and write down your routing from beginning to end - that MAY show you the problem.

Jack

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:5/24/2009 7:06:25 AM

> It's possible the output of the MIDI is being fed back into the input of the MIDI,

A simple solution might be to disable MIDI output to the keyboard from ACID. You can either disable it in the preferences or just unplug the MIDI cable going back to the keyboard. If the looping stops, you know that this was the problem.

~jr

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: sqig

Date:5/24/2009 9:40:54 AM

Thx Johnny, that worked......If I disable the output I can record in Midi and then if I disable the input I can record on top of the midi track without a fatal loop. Is this therefore something that I should have been doing all along or is it just peculiar to my setup, perhaps the midisport 2x2....or is there even another setting somewhere that automatically prevents the fatal loop occurring.Thanks for getting me this far !

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:5/24/2009 3:56:44 PM

I'm glad that worked. The question is, why do you need MIDI Out at all? Are you using sounds that are on your keyboard as well as the VSTi's in ACID? If so, you may just need to adjust the keyboard or ACID to just listen to certain channels. (i.e, OMNI OFF)

There may also be an option on your keyboard to passthru MIDI In to MIDI Out. If so, try setting this option off. Also make sure you didn't connect to the MIDI Thru of your keyboard when you intended to connect to the MIDI Out.

~jr

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/24/2009 8:59:30 PM

Look in your keyboard user manual for something called "local control'.

Check the ACID MIDI preference page:
In ACID make sure you are not directly routing the input of your external device to its ouput (thruing should be turned off.)

Check the track input thru:
Make sure that your MIDI Tracks are not echoing input to a track routed to play to the device.

Peter

Subject:RE: VST Recording

Reply by: sqig

Date:5/26/2009 11:50:41 AM

I found the problem......The 2x2 Midisport has TWO input and output channels ..A and B....Acid had both of these checked in the preference box for Midi. If i just check A ( IN ) and A ( OUT ) everything records fine .
Thank you for all your help ....turning the stuff off in the Midi preferences got me wondering why there should be two channels and they must have been looping through each of them.