Excellent question Sean,

Unfortunately the CD-R that ships with Sonic Foundry's CD
Factory, the Microboards Playwrite 4080
(Panasonic/Matsushita CW-7502) does not support any audio
recorded prior to track 1 even if "Srtict Validation for Red
Book" is NOT checked in preferences in CD Architect. I also
have an HP 7200i internal EIDE CD-R/RW that does not support
this either. It is possible to do, you just need to find a
drive that supports this. Which drives do, I don't know.
Perhaps someone else knows what drive this will work on.

sean donovan wrote:
>>i have come across a cd that has a track hidden before
track
>>one. if you push play and then rewind into the negative
>>numbers, there is a track. does anyone know how to do
this
>>with cd architect?
>>
>>thanks,
>>
>>sean
>>

I hope that somebody has had the following problem with the
Professional CD Factory from Sonic
Foundry. More importantly, however, I hope somebody has found a
solution to it. I bought the
bundled package from Sonic Foundry. I installed the version of CD
architect that ships with the
package. I installed the Advansys PCI SCSI card, and I connected the
Playwrite 4040 cd-r
(cr-7502b) board to the SCSI card with the SCSI cable. Everything
looked great in the device
manager. There were no yellow exclamation points. The problem arose
when I placed a CD in the
cd-r. When I did this the computer slowed to a snails pace. It
doesn't matter what software I am
using. I could be looking at the desktop, and the problem still
persists. I even have all of my
programs closed except Systray and explorer. I am running win95 with
a P180 and 128 megs of
ram.

I eventually contacted tech support at microboards via e-mail. They
had a quick response time, and
they suggested to look for devices which may be using the same IRQ
#'s. There were. My Gina
and my SCSI were using the same one (11). After a week of trying to
figure out how to manually
change the IRQ's (via this newsgroup and others), I finally just
removed my Gina from the computer
and reinstalled it into another PCI bus slot. This cleared up the IRQ
conflict. My gina has 10 and
my SCSI has IRQ 11. However, my core problem still persists.

I contacted tech support at Sonic Foundry and they suggested getting
the latest Firmware for the
CD-R, getting the latest patch for CD Architect, and getting the
latest driver for the SCSI card. I
have done all of this with one exception. When I went to
Microboards' site to get the latest
firmware, they said not to download and install it if you have
Firmware version 4.10 or higher. That
is the version of Firmware that I have for my CD-R.

I know that at least one other person has had and solved this problem.
They have had to have sold
alot of these bundles, and I am certain somebody else has had the same
problem. I will post this
message with all pertinent tech support departments. I will also post
this on ProREC.com and other
locations where I can hopefully get some help. If that fails, I will
have to return the merchandise.

Q: Any CD ? Audio CD, Blank Media?

Have you tried turing off auto detect for the CDR?

Peter


bodyhammer wrote in message ...
>I hope that somebody has had the following problem with the
Professional CD
Factory from Sonic
>Foundry. More importantly, however, I hope somebody has found a
solution
to it. I bought the
>bundled package from Sonic Foundry. I installed the version of CD
architect that ships with the
>package. I installed the Advansys PCI SCSI card, and I connected
the
Playwrite 4040 cd-r
>(cr-7502b) board to the SCSI card with the SCSI cable. Everything
looked
great in the device
>manager. There were no yellow exclamation points. The problem arose
when
I placed a CD in the
>cd-r. When I did this the computer slowed to a snails pace. It
doesn't
matter what software I am
>using. I could be looking at the desktop, and the problem still
persists.
I even have all of my
>programs closed except Systray and explorer. I am running win95 with
a
P180 and 128 megs of
>ram.
>
>I eventually contacted tech support at microboards via e-mail. They
had a
quick response time, and
>they suggested to look for devices which may be using the same IRQ
#'s.
There were. My Gina
>and my SCSI were using the same one (11). After a week of trying to
figure
out how to manually
>change the IRQ's (via this newsgroup and others), I finally just
removed my
Gina from the computer
>and reinstalled it into another PCI bus slot. This cleared up the
IRQ
conflict. My gina has 10 and
>my SCSI has IRQ 11. However, my core problem still persists.
>
>I contacted tech support at Sonic Foundry and they suggested getting
the
latest Firmware for the
>CD-R, getting the latest patch for CD Architect, and getting the
latest
driver for the SCSI card. I
>have done all of this with one exception. When I went to
Microboards' site
to get the latest
>firmware, they said not to download and install it if you have
Firmware
version 4.10 or higher. That
>is the version of Firmware that I have for my CD-R.
>
>I know that at least one other person has had and solved this
problem.
They have had to have sold
>alot of these bundles, and I am certain somebody else has had the
same
problem. I will post this
>message with all pertinent tech support departments. I will also
post this
on ProREC.com and other
>locations where I can hopefully get some help. If that fails, I will
have
to return the merchandise.

Justin Case wrote:
>>Excellent question Sean,
>>
>>Unfortunately the CD-R that ships with Sonic Foundry's CD
>>Factory, the Microboards Playwrite 4080
>>(Panasonic/Matsushita CW-7502) does not support any audio
>>recorded prior to track 1 even if "Srtict Validation for
Red
>>Book" is NOT checked in preferences in CD Architect. I
also
>>have an HP 7200i internal EIDE CD-R/RW that does not
support
>>this either. It is possible to do, you just need to find
a
>>drive that supports this. Which drives do, I don't know.
>>Perhaps someone else knows what drive this will work on.
>>
>>sean donovan wrote:
>>>>i have come across a cd that has a track hidden before
>>track
>>>>one. if you push play and then rewind into the
negative
>>>>numbers, there is a track. does anyone know how to do
>>this
>>>>with cd architect?
>>>>
>>>>thanks,
>>>>
>>>>sean
>>>>
>>

vincent fasano wrote:

Cheers,

Justin, you're absolutely correct; the 7502 chokes when
asked to write prior to track 1. However, the HP 6020,
although not the best writer, doesn't mind writing at least
a couple of minutes before track 1. Great fun.

Peace,
vinny

>>Justin Case wrote:
>>>>Excellent question Sean,
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately the CD-R that ships with Sonic Foundry's
CD
>>>>Factory, the Microboards Playwrite 4080
>>>>(Panasonic/Matsushita CW-7502) does not support any
audio
>>>>recorded prior to track 1 even if "Srtict Validation
for
>>Red
>>>>Book" is NOT checked in preferences in CD Architect. I
>>also
>>>>have an HP 7200i internal EIDE CD-R/RW that does not
>>support
>>>>this either. It is possible to do, you just need to
find
>>a
>>>>drive that supports this. Which drives do, I don't
know.
>>>>Perhaps someone else knows what drive this will work
on.
>>>>
>>>>sean donovan wrote:
>>>>>>i have come across a cd that has a track hidden
before
>>>>track
>>>>>>one. if you push play and then rewind into the
>>negative
>>>>>>numbers, there is a track. does anyone know how to
do
>>>>this
>>>>>>with cd architect?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>sean
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

Justin Case wrote:
>>Excellent question Sean,
>>
>>Unfortunately the CD-R that ships with Sonic Foundry's CD
>>Factory, the Microboards Playwrite 4080
>>(Panasonic/Matsushita CW-7502) does not support any audio
>>recorded prior to track 1 even if "Srtict Validation for
Red
>>Book" is NOT checked in preferences in CD Architect. I
also
>>have an HP 7200i internal EIDE CD-R/RW that does not
support
>>this either. It is possible to do, you just need to find a
>>drive that supports this. Which drives do, I don't know.
>>Perhaps someone else knows what drive this will work on.
>>
>>sean donovan wrote:
>>>>i have come across a cd that has a track hidden before
>>track
>>>>one. if you push play and then rewind into the negative
>>>>numbers, there is a track. does anyone know how to do
>>this
>>>>with cd architect?
>>>>
>>>>thanks,
>>>>
>>>>sean
>>>>
>>I am not sure if CD Architect allows this or not.
Technically it does not violate red book, but I have never
actually seen/heard a disc that was like this. Pregap
discs or Pause discs were one way to include ROM data on an
audio disc. It was a flawed solution and is no longer a
common format for mixed mode discs. For a bonus track of
audio however, it may be a cool idea. Track one must have
an index 0 point and an index 1 point. Index one must be
after an initial pause of "at least" 2 seconds. It makes
sense then that most discs will begin playing music at two
seconds or very close to that location. For the disc that
you are interested in making, try moving Track One,Index
One later in time. This will create an extended pause or
gap. There is no reason that audio cannot be placed here
(except for Justin's valid point). Players will begin
playing at index1 but a user could scan backwards if they
knew to do so. I know Pinnacle, JVC, Yamaha, and Sony make
recorders that allow for variable first track numbering.
These drives may be more flexible with recording audio
prior to index 1 point as well. Good luck. I will be
creating one of these just to see as well.

Ed Younger
JVC Disc America

This is how Cheap Trick placed their bonus track on the last album.
pretty cool idea, and very easy to accomplish in CDA. Unfortunately,
not
all Cd players will recognize the pregap audio (although I'm not
exactly
sure why).

Now, if only they had included a better "song" than what they did!!!!



ed wrote:
>
> Justin Case wrote:
> >>Excellent question Sean,
> >>
> >>Unfortunately the CD-R that ships with Sonic Foundry's CD
> >>Factory, the Microboards Playwrite 4080
> >>(Panasonic/Matsushita CW-7502) does not support any audio
> >>recorded prior to track 1 even if "Srtict Validation for
> Red
> >>Book" is NOT checked in preferences in CD Architect. I
> also
> >>have an HP 7200i internal EIDE CD-R/RW that does not
> support
> >>this either. It is possible to do, you just need to find a
> >>drive that supports this. Which drives do, I don't know.
> >>Perhaps someone else knows what drive this will work on.
> >>
> >>sean donovan wrote:
> >>>>i have come across a cd that has a track hidden before
> >>track
> >>>>one. if you push play and then rewind into the negative
> >>>>numbers, there is a track. does anyone know how to do
> >>this
> >>>>with cd architect?
> >>>>
> >>>>thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>sean
> >>>>
> >>I am not sure if CD Architect allows this or not.
> Technically it does not violate red book, but I have never
> actually seen/heard a disc that was like this. Pregap
> discs or Pause discs were one way to include ROM data on an
> audio disc. It was a flawed solution and is no longer a
> common format for mixed mode discs. For a bonus track of
> audio however, it may be a cool idea. Track one must have
> an index 0 point and an index 1 point. Index one must be
> after an initial pause of "at least" 2 seconds. It makes
> sense then that most discs will begin playing music at two
> seconds or very close to that location. For the disc that
> you are interested in making, try moving Track One,Index
> One later in time. This will create an extended pause or
> gap. There is no reason that audio cannot be placed here
> (except for Justin's valid point). Players will begin
> playing at index1 but a user could scan backwards if they
> knew to do so. I know Pinnacle, JVC, Yamaha, and Sony make
> recorders that allow for variable first track numbering.
> These drives may be more flexible with recording audio
> prior to index 1 point as well. Good luck. I will be
> creating one of these just to see as well.
>
> Ed Younger
> JVC Disc America

I have done this a number of times using a Yamaha 400(revision g) on
one of our DAW's but not with CD Architect. Mass duplication on our
automatic machines using 7502'S didnt work though, as already stated
by others.
Big downside is that we tested this disk on many different players
and only a few could understand that there was a hidden track before
the first track - most just sat at 00:00 and wouldnt rewind - a most
unreliable trick really.


sean donovan wrote:
>>i have come across a cd that has a track hidden before track
>>chop chop