According to Delta the issue is Vegas and Windows 2000.
They have drivers that work in Win2000 with Cubase. Also
Channels 1 & 2 work in Vegas with Win2000. You just can't
access all the channels. Of course it's hard to know for
sure. Everyone seems to blame everyone else. The one thing
for sure is that Microsoft did a very poor job with Windows
2000 as far as audio workstations are concerned.

Brett

Don't blame Microsoft and/or Sonic Foundry for the piss poor state of
the Delta's hardware drivers. It is Delta's *sole* responsibility as
a hardware manufacturer to provide operating system drivers for their
hardware, make no mistake about that.

Indeed, Win2K Professional is an _excellent_ operating system for a
DAW, but you do need a sound card/hardware vendor that puts the
customer before the bottom line when it comes to perfecting drivers.

You will find that Delta does not fall in that category with regard
to their Win2K driver offerings ... a situation for which they have
no one to blame but themselves.

Case in point: one of the advantages of Win2k as a DAW operating
system is its dual processor capability, especially when you use a
program like Vegas which is written specifically to take advantage of
that capability.

Most sound cards with Win2K drivers run happily under this
situation ... but don't expect many of Delta's products to necesarily
work with dual processor machines ... last time I checked many were
specifically excluded because of "lack of support" by their poorly
implemented Win2K drivers.

In short, the blame lies squarely with Delta, no matter how hard they
may try to point the finger elsewhere.

KAC ...


Brett Sherman wrote:
>>According to Delta the issue is Vegas and Windows 2000.
>>They have drivers that work in Win2000 with Cubase. Also
>>Channels 1 & 2 work in Vegas with Win2000. You just can't
>>access all the channels. Of course it's hard to know for
>>sure. Everyone seems to blame everyone else. The one
thing
>>for sure is that Microsoft did a very poor job with
Windows
>>2000 as far as audio workstations are concerned.
>>
>>Brett
>>
>>

Is there any hardware that works with Windows 2000 and
Vegas? Please inform me if there is. I'm having quite a
difficult time finding it. At first I had a Gadget 824, now
Delta 1010. Everyone claims it will work, but no one has
delivered yet.

Thanks,
Brett

Soundscape-Digitals' Mixtreme card works very well with the
Vegas family and Win2K and the folks who write their
NT/Win2K drivers are well known as some of the best in the
business.

Downside is that, while the cards aren't all that
expensive, they are TDIF connections and unless you use DA-
8x's, you must purchase separate I/O to go along with them
(as well as a S/PDIF daughter card if you don't have a
coexisting card with S/PDIF capability). ADAT converter
boxes are also available for the ADAT equipped facility.

Upside is that the Mixtreme cards have onboard DSP that can
take some of the load off Vegas for signal processing. The
effects available for this DSP chips are *very* high
quality, particularly the WM Reverb which comes with the
Producer Pack. The Producer Pack is an excellent buy if it
is still available.

I tried a Delta 1010 and sent it back because it would not
work under Win2K with a dual processor. Then listened to
Aaron Carey's experience with the Mixtreme cards, purchased
a couple after talking to him on the phone, (thanks again, Aaron!)
and have not looked back.

Since running VV with the Mixtremes under Win2K
Professional we have literally not had a lockup, blue
screen, or a single case of audio gapping in months ...
this is the most stable DAW I have ever used in a studio,
including the ProTools rigs we used to rent.

I also like the fact that under Win2K, using the NTFS file
system, each engineer has his own account on the machine
and can set up his workspace independently of everyone
else. I can also grant or deny access to certain
directories, as well as the level of access to system
files, as the need arises ... a definite plus when more
than one engineer uses the machine and a method that seems
to keep a machine in top running trim for a longer period
of time.

I am sure that there are others with equal sucess using
other cards, but definitely give Mixtreme a look to see if
it meets your needs.

www.soundscape-digital.com

KAC ...

Brett Sherman wrote:
>>Is there any hardware that works with Windows 2000 and
>>Vegas? Please inform me if there is. I'm having quite a
>>difficult time finding it. At first I had a Gadget 824,
now
>>Delta 1010. Everyone claims it will work, but no one has
>>delivered yet.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Brett
>>

This is the official word from "M-Audio".

"This is a fact that any non ASIO application unless
specifically written for Windows 2000 will only get 1
stereo input and output. You can contact Sonic Foundry and
they will give you the same answer. Currently only Cubase 5.
0 and Nuendo (ASIO programs) work correctly in windows
2000."

I wish someone from SF would answer. And also say when
their software will work fully with Windows 2000.

Thanks,
Brett

Your choice is pretty straight forward, look for alternate
hardware, or use a different OS.

Also see Peter Haller's post # 3792 back in early November
regarding the WDM issue.

KAC ...

Brett Sherman wrote:
>>This is the official word from "M-Audio".
>>
>>"This is a fact that any non ASIO application unless
>>specifically written for Windows 2000 will only get 1
>>stereo input and output. You can contact Sonic Foundry
and
>>they will give you the same answer. Currently only Cubase
5.
>>0 and Nuendo (ASIO programs) work correctly in windows
>>2000."
>>
>>I wish someone from SF would answer. And also say when
>>their software will work fully with Windows 2000.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Brett

>>0 and Nuendo (ASIO programs) work correctly in windows
>>2000."
>>
>>I wish someone from SF would answer. And also say when
>>their software will work fully with Windows 2000.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Brett

Sonic Foundry's decision to EXCLUDE ASIO and VST is
unfortunate...BUT...Rest assured Vegas has NO problems
running on win2k

You're missing one option. Abandon Vegas in favor of Cubase
or Nuendo. Fortunately for SF I'm quite attached to Vegas.
I just wish they'd get their hardware act together. So I'm
returning the Delta 1010.

Brett Sherman

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>Your choice is pretty straight forward, look for
alternate
>>hardware, or use a different OS.
>>
>>Also see Peter Haller's post # 3792 back in early
November
>>regarding the WDM issue.
>>

I think I'll probably go with Mixtreme. My only hesitation
is it's use of TDIF. I think that's a soon to be dead
format. I just have to find a converter that doesn't cost
so much.

Thanks,
Brett Sherman

Brett Sherman wrote:
>>I think I'll probably go with Mixtreme. My only
hesitation
>>is it's use of TDIF. I think that's a soon to be dead
>>format. I just have to find a converter that doesn't cost
>>so much.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Brett Sherman

Check out the converters from hammerfall
8 channels ADANT and TDIF so no worries at all

Nope ... I didn't miss a thing. I figured since you've been here
posting for a few months that you were interested enough to keep on
trying. :)

KAC ...

Brett Sherman wrote:
>>You're missing one option. Abandon Vegas in favor of
Cubase
>>or Nuendo. Fortunately for SF I'm quite attached to
Vegas.
>>I just wish they'd get their hardware act together. So
I'm
>>returning the Delta 1010.
>>
>>Brett Sherman
>>
>>Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>>>Your choice is pretty straight forward, look for
>>alternate
>>>>hardware, or use a different OS.
>>>>
>>>>Also see Peter Haller's post # 3792 back in early
>>November
>>>>regarding the WDM issue.
>>>>
>>

Eventually perhaps, but Tascam is still going strong and
they typically don't drop what works for them for years.

Their newest multitrack hard disk recorder, their digital
mixing consoles and their DTRS recorders all support the
TDIF format ... don't look for that to change before you
get your money's worth with the format.

Not to mention that the TDIF 24/96 Pro by Digital Audio
Labs is relativey new and I doubt whether DAL would be
beating a dead horse.

KAC ...

Brett Sherman wrote:
>>I think I'll probably go with Mixtreme. My only
hesitation
>>is it's use of TDIF. I think that's a soon to be dead
>>format. I just have to find a converter that doesn't cost
>>so much.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Brett Sherman

Brett, let me jump in here to say TDIF is not "soon to be a dead format " Tascam will be around for a
long time...every DA38, DA78, DA88, and DA98 they have sold has TDIF input and output. They are
used all over the world and can be found in many audio, audio post, and video production studios! To
think Tascam would just fold and go away is not thinking correctly! You may be correct in thinking alot
of homebased musicians will not have the money to spend on the gear which has the TDIF i/o, but do
not be duped into thinking it is going away. There are lots of us out here who have whole recording
studios with lots of clients who would disagree with you. Personally, I am very pleased Sonic Foundry
products support the Tascam platform. I am using the MOTU2408 TDIF i/o to 24 tracks of DA-88, so it
is a great tool for editing, mastering and for saving to many platforms like streaming audio for the
internet. You should look into higher classes of recording hardware and possibly you will see, too, this
is the way to go! Also, if you look closely, you wil learn the Mixtreme card has TDIF i/o. MM.