Subject:AP7 still doesn´t remember last used folder?

Posted by: Martian

Date:11/9/2008 11:51:37 AM

How come?

Subject:RE: AP7 still doesn´t remember last used folder?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/9/2008 8:31:35 PM

In what context are you seeing this?

Thanks,
Peter

Subject:RE: AP7 still doesn´t remember last used folder?

Reply by: Martian

Date:11/13/2008 3:37:47 PM

I was extracting tracks from cd, and everytime i was trying to save the tracks, it didn´t remember the last used forlder (not sure it was a while ago)

Alex

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Reply by: Chienworks

Date:11/13/2008 5:42:54 PM

It's even worse in Sound Forge. Open a file from a directory, enter regions, go to save regions, and Sound Forge wants to use the stoopid My Documents directory. Change it back to where i opened the file from and save. Now open all those new files to save them as .mp3 ... and Sound Forge wants to use the utterly stoopid My Documents directory again! It seems that each new release of Sony's software gets a little more annoying about this. ACID isn't as bad ... yet.

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Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:11/14/2008 5:27:03 AM

Chien:
I don't remember SF9 doing that. I have 9c (never updated to rev e) and every time I want to save a file after making edits it uses the folder of the last file opened, which means if I open a file in c:\sony\ws, edit/save/close that file and go to open a file in c:\sony\pq and make edits and then go to save that file, it'll save into c:\sony\ws and not the folder from whence I opened the file being worked on.
Jack

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Reply by: Mark B

Date:11/19/2008 9:22:32 PM

Yes, this has been annoying me as well. When I go to open a project, it doesn't default to the last used location and when I go to render, it doesn't default to the last location I rendered. Whether opening a saved project or rendering a project, I just want it to go to the last location that I used for that purpose (like all the previous versions did since '98).

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Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/19/2008 9:45:54 PM

I agree with all of this.

Q: Do you want the remembered locations to be forever, the duration of the active project, or the duration of the ACID session?

That is should the last remembered locations be flushed and return to the preference defaults.

Peter

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Reply by: Chienworks

Date:11/19/2008 10:06:23 PM

I'll vote for forever, since the last used folder is almost certainly going to be closer to where i want to work next than the default folder

unless ...

We're allowed to set our own default folder whenever we wish. Then i'd vote for having it reset to this when starting a new project.

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Reply by: PeterWright

Date:11/19/2008 10:52:50 PM

Been asking for Project specific folders in Vegas for .... some time, but Acid seems to already have far more help in this area. (Plus Track nesting!)
Under Options/Preferences/Folders you can specify folders for:
Record
Extract from CD
Render project
Render to new
Chop to new
Mew Midi
Default groove folder
Temporary files folder.

This seems to cover Martian's request.

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Reply by: Grazie

Date:11/20/2008 1:04:52 AM

I agree with Kelly and Peter(W).

But, but, but the REAL strategic workflow biggie, Peter(H), is that whatever is agreed by you guys, at Madison, is then rolled-out to all the Creative software packages. Consistency of file and folder creation/management across packages would be splendid, and for so many reasons.

OK:

1] All File and Folder Menu Management to be available to User. Unless there is some logical reasons why not?

2] All File and Folder Menu Management in one Menu. Accessible from several points! maybe even make it Dockable - now THERE's radical thinking!

3] All File and Folder Menu Management in one Menu repeated across all SCS packages. You will need to prune down for the Studio versions. But this in turn could be a great "step-up" option for users progressing through your s/w

I am sure we will continue to review this - this is a good thing though. Continuous improvement.

Always willing to assist . . . and learn.

Grazie

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Reply by: drbam

Date:11/20/2008 6:15:49 AM

I agree with Chienworks, and obviously whatever direction is pursued, it should be consistent with all Sony apps.

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Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:11/20/2008 8:28:50 AM

Been asking for Project specific folders in Vegas for .... some time, but Acid seems to already have far more help in this area. (Plus Track nesting!)

Yes! If ACID Dev could somehow allow us to use the items under Under Options/Preferences/Folders to apply to each project rather than global (or in addition to Global?) I would be a vary happy camper.

Walk with me through my dream scenario:

Start a new Acid project and be presented with the standard New Project Properties dialog - which - would now include a Folders tab. On this tab would be a selection of default project folders (with a checkbox by each) :

Record
Extract from CD
Render project
Render to new
Chop to new
Mew Midi
Default groove folder
Temporary files folder.

Then one could check which ones relevant to the project at hand (most projects would need a Record folder but not a CD Extract folder etc) and Acid would allow me three choices:

1. Use Global settings = The top level settings under Options/Prefs/Folders. Selecting this option should prefill the folder path with the Global option already set and grey out the path from any further edits.

2. Use Location on Computer = User has option to "Browse" for a specific folder location on the computer but outside the master project . Once selection is made - the folder path will be set and greyed out from any further edits - unless a new path is chosen later.

3. Use Project Folder = Acid would create default folders on the fly for each folder option desired:

Record
CD Extract
Project Render
New Render
etc etc

All neatly arranged as subfolders in the Master Project Folder.

This option could also include an area to rename the Acid Default Folder Name choice and also have the ability for us to add additional folders in to the master product tree - that would perhaps be unique to our workflow - like "Customer Renders" or "MP3 Mixes" or whatever.

And in the spirit of OP and "remembering the folder locations" - with something like the above in play - and having the ability to preset practically every location - there should be no issues with Acid knowing exactly where something needs to go.

Just some thoughts for you...folder management is a huge deal - especially with multiple projects on the go and files flying everywhere.

Cheers!

VP

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Reply by: jumbuk

Date:11/20/2008 6:39:28 PM

VP, I like that idea. Years ago, when i first started with Acid, I didn't really think too hard about where files were located. Fast forward to 2008, and I have hundreds of folders full of bits of songs, acid files, audio, MIDI . . . whatever. I have taken to creating a new folder for each new project, whether I need to or not. It would be great for Acid to support a standard approach to saving and filing.

Subject:RE: AP7 still doesn´t remember last used fold

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/20/2008 11:04:28 PM

This is all really great stuff.

What it sounds like is being asking for - beyond just remembering where you were working the last time - is to provide a project layout mechanism that is dynamic and configurable to how you work and organize. Global defaults, with overrides at the project level.

Some questions I have:

The Folder's Preference page permits you to set a default project folder.

How many of you set this?

If you select

"Use seperate defaults for each type of project media save"

Have you tried the "<Project>" option?

Are you looking to extend this on a per project basis?


Thanks
Peter

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Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:11/21/2008 6:53:15 AM

The Folder's Preference page permits you to set a default project folder. How many of you set this?

Not I. And my reasons are that my workflow follows a defined monthly cycle - including a set of defined folders created at the start of the year...basically 01-2008, 02-2008 which includes all the projects (voiceover, music beds, composition, mixes etc) created during a specific month.

So setting a singular "Project Folder" would not work for this workflow. It should be maintained as an option for those that do work that way.

"Use separate defaults for each type of project media save" Have you tried the "<Project>" option? Are you looking to extend this on a per project basis?

I have tried it - and while it directs everything to the right spot (usually) - since it's "global" in nature - and just dumps files everywhere in the root folder - I find myself having to organize things constantly. Over here - when I am working - every single file gets a subfolder in the Master Project folder except the .acd file itself. It's the only way I see what the heck is going on. for those of us who have 100+ files in the master project folder all jumbled together - it's difficult to get a bead on anything when looking at the project thru Explorer.

Are you looking to extend this on a per project basis?

Most certainly! As I mentioned - a new "Folders" tab could be a very powerful enhancement when starting a brand new project. This would give granular control to each location required and a "one-stop" area (instead of having move back to Options-Prefs-Folders during the creative process if something needs to be changed.

After writing that post yesterday - I forgot to mention the most important attribute - which could be an enhancement for naming/creating the master Project and it's subfolder areas. I notice you do have what looks like wildcard in play with <Project>. Enhancing this approach to include other wildcards like <ProjectName> could really speed up the folder path creation if a per-project Folders tab was ever to be considered.

Also - it would go without saying that if a per-project Folders model could be developed - it would extend to the rendering phases like if one chose Render As from the File menu - the user would be transported directly to his "Project Renders" subfolder as defined within Master Project Setup...

FWIW - I like the term "Project Layout"

Cheers!

VP

Subject:RE: AP7 still doesn´t remember last used fold

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:11/21/2008 11:32:16 AM

Extending the "<Project>" option to be more configurable sounds very intriguing. I practically use that option for almost every setting under the Folders tab minus the "render project" folder.

But as Vocalpoint mentioned, it can get a little messy in there, especially doing recording after recording (which I'm guessing would be the bulk of material in a project folder).

It'd be great, for example, to extend that to "<Project> > Recordings" or something to that effect. (Any recording would be placed in a subfolder of that project called, "Recordings.")

Iacobus

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Reply by: Mark B

Date:11/21/2008 1:44:51 PM

In reply to Peter's question (Q: Do you want the remembered locations to be forever, the duration of the active project, or the duration of the ACID session?):

I vote forever. That's how it worked before. Thanks

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Reply by: Grazie

Date:11/22/2008 1:56:35 AM

OK, let's back up the bus here . . just a little.

We are all in the biz of turning around creative ideas from raw material. That raw material might be SOUND ( Acid Loops, Midi stuff, CineScore etc etc) and, for those of us wanting a global approach to Project Creation management, with respect to VISION ( Video footage, photos, Graphics of all descriptions - and with Vegas now nests of VEG files too!) and whatever way we choose to do this WILL be a real fillip to the SonyCreativeSoftware's plan to allows us to do it. Meaning, there will not necessarily be one way to allow for Project Files Folder manipulation - it WILL be many ways. It wont necessarily be ONE way. However, something approaching this Holy Grail wold be great.

For example, with MarcoB's request - "forever" - this is one way. Sure, I can see that being correct for maybe a SOUND "project". But if this is going to be a Global strategy, then when it would come to Vegas, where large lumps (GBs) of material are being mixed and melded together, then external drives and complex folder/file structures are being considered, then "forever" may NOT be suitable.

And, of course, there is another observation, and that is this, while we are debating and reviewing what COULD be we might be seeing the wood but we wont being seeing the trees. Meaning, as more complex an analysis of this continues then more time passes.

I would really like to get this rolling and would be happy to trial a BETA file/folder structure for Madison, just to get the ball rolling.

As always, always willing to assist and willing to learn . . .

Grazie

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Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:11/22/2008 6:51:59 AM

Meaning, there will not necessarily be one way to allow for Project Files Folder manipulation - it WILL be many ways. It wont necessarily be ONE way. However, something approaching this Holy Grail wold be great

I totally agree - and as a Vegas user myself - if a Project Layout model was considered - of course it should be approached from the angle of the type of media being used within which host and be as flexible as possible as to address the needs of the widest user base.

WIth regards to my "dream scenario" - while it doesn't exist yet - I think it could offer a quantum leap in "flexibility" simply because you could begin a project and "shape" it's file/folder structure to "your" workflow right from the start when setting up. And as long as all drives (external or otherwise) are attached and initialized...this structure could direct traffic to any place you care to add into the "master project tree".

And of course - correctly designed and implemented - this model could/should slide right into Vegas and even Soundforge (I use my same "project based" workflow for daily voiceover in my Wavelab sessions) to bring the same benefits as required.

would be happy to trial a BETA file/folder structure for Madison, just to get the ball rolling.

As would I.

Cheers!

VP