Mic Pop Filter Question

CClub wrote on 11/15/2008, 11:57 AM
I'm going to be taping someone singing a slow a capella song for a portion of a documentary. I have a Sony D50 for the primary audio track, and two Rode Stereo Videomics that I may experiment putting on side mic stands for audio feeds to combine audio tracks with the D50. If I put the windscreens on the mics, do they perform the same function as a pop filter, or are those two different functions?

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newhope wrote on 11/15/2008, 12:08 PM
Windscreens will help a little but generally are designed to reduce general wind noise not the plosive pops caused by sudden pressure changes of close up miking.
One way to avoid pops if you don't have access to a pop filter is to mike from a slight angle so that the subject is speaking, or in your case singing, across the mike rather than directly into it front on.

This reduces the likelyhood of popping while maintaining a close proximity to the microphone and 'presence' in the recorded material. It's a technique that many voice over artists use rather than adding the extra distance a pop filter necessarily has to place between the mike and the subject.

New Hope Media
farss wrote on 11/15/2008, 12:17 PM
I haven't tried this as I have a real pop filter but the old hands claim that a stocking stretched over a wire coathanger bent appropriately works quite well as a pop filter.
I'm wondering if there'll be much of a problem with the mics being used here anyway. LDCs seem very prone to picking up pops, I don't know if it's such an issue with the smaller mics or not.

Bob.
CClub wrote on 11/15/2008, 2:54 PM
As always... thanks much. [I KNEW that a mic question would get awesome feedback from Bob Farss].
Fredv wrote on 11/15/2008, 2:58 PM
Wind is different from pop filtering. Sometimes you can get away with nothing more than those heel stockings that ladies wear and slip them over the sound pickup of the mic. For more aggressive prevention you may have to go to something bigger.

On one field shoot I forgot windscreens for a pair of Audio Technica 3035 mics. I couldn't get back to the shop in time to get screens and back to the show, but across the street was a Toys R Us.

I got a couple of Nerf balls, about 6" round, and costing $1.99 each, and slit them up the center so I could tuck the mic inside. Looked strange, worked good. NO wind noise.

In case you need something more "commercial", these guys have a lot of good screens at reasonable prices. I use their Mic Muffs for my field dialog mics. olsenaudio(dot)com

BTW, does anyone know if there is a third party repair shop for Panasonic mics?

A couple of my shotgun mics have seen better days. They need to be sent in. Panasonic is no longer servicing, only exchanges on current product.
newhope wrote on 11/16/2008, 3:47 AM
"LDCs seem very prone to picking up pops, I don't know if it's such an issue with the smaller mics or not."

I've had people pop on Sennheiser 416's close miked and the diaphragm is not large and mounted at the back end of the interference tube in the 416.

Certainly LDC's are more prone to it but just about any mike is capable of popping under the right circumstances and close miking is generally when it will happen.

Like you I have a real pop filter but, as most of my close voice recording is with professional voice artists, I find they prefer to work without it and, because of their mike technique, avoid popping.

Singing and non professional VO I tend to head for the pop filter. The stocking over the coat hanger is a method I have used when I didn't have a real pop filter, sometimes a couple of layers of stocking are necessary.... depending on the previous wear and tear and ... aaahhh, ... oh of course the voice being recorded ;-}

New Hope Media
richard-amirault wrote on 11/16/2008, 4:58 AM
"I haven't tried this as I have a real pop filter but the old hands claim that a stocking stretched over a wire coathanger bent appropriately works quite well as a pop filter."

Note: that is a womans nylon stocking, not a man's stocking.
newhope wrote on 11/16/2008, 2:35 PM
"Note: that is a womans nylon stocking, not a man's stocking. "

Certainly NOT a Christmas stocking!!!
ushere wrote on 11/16/2008, 5:29 PM
nor is it a fishnet stocking ;-)
Infinite5ths wrote on 11/16/2008, 9:41 PM
LOL!! Well, we're certainly not leave much room here for stocking ambiguity. :-)
farss wrote on 11/18/2008, 3:53 PM
Sorry to drag up this old topic but I just remembered a great trick an old hand taught me for vocalists mics.
Put a condom over the mic. It stops pops and stops saliva getting into your mic. This lady had a collection of prophylactics in her kit in various colors for just this purpose.
If you'd met this lady you'd know they weren't for any other purpose either :)

Bob.
craftech wrote on 11/18/2008, 5:04 PM
I made some pop filters from black nylon stockings stretched over inexpensive embroidery hoops. They are easy and look very good painted.

John
John_Cline wrote on 11/18/2008, 7:26 PM
"Put a condom over the mic."

I suppose this might work OK for singing in the shower, but I'm certain that this would seriously affect the frequency response of the mic, severely rolling off the high end, if nothing else. I've used this trick for recording outside in the rain and, while it recorded something, it sure didn't sound very good. In fact, it sounded exactly like someone put a condom over a microphone.
Coursedesign wrote on 11/18/2008, 7:31 PM
Putting "French letters" on the mike is best saved for underwater footage (and certainly extreme rain).

johnmeyer wrote on 11/18/2008, 8:31 PM
Putting "French letters" on the mike is best saved for underwater footage (and certainly extreme rain).Is that like a French tickler?