OT: Do NOT purchase the new Nero 9

CClub wrote on 11/14/2008, 8:48 AM
I just upgraded from Nero 8 to 9, and I HIGHLY recommend not doing so. Fortunately, I only paid $49, but it's still money lost. If any questions, check out the postings on the Nero forum regarding "Windows Installation Issues" or "Nero 9 Failed Installs" http://forum.my.nero.com/index.php?showforum=12Here[/link]. I ran into those exact issues. The program rarely can be installed -- I wasn't able to even install it -- and when it does, most of the programs don't work.

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JohnnyRoy wrote on 11/14/2008, 9:09 AM
FWIW you should not use Nero 8 either. It is now a nasty bloated intrusive piece of software that takes over your machine and disables working applications. I was appalled at the number of services it installed and insisted on running.

Case in point: Boris FX RED/BLUE can no longer read DV AVI files if Nero 8 is installed. I demonstrated this on three separate machines and confirmed with Boris that Nero 8 is the cause. Just take any DV AVI file and drop it into GSpot and have GSpot tell you the render path and you will see that the "Nero MP4 Splitter" has inserted itself into the beginning of the chain of every video request for an AVI file and this is what breaks Boris. If I uninstall Nero 8, Boris works again on every machine.

I tried doing the smallest custom install of Nero 8 that I could, only selecting the Burning ROM application and nothing else and it still inserted the Nero MP4 Splitter and messed up Boris. What the heck does a CD burning program need to insert video filters for? I can no longer use Nero and I would never recommend their products again.

~jr
Grazie wrote on 11/14/2008, 9:14 AM
Let it be known, far and wide, that Nero has not past the "Grazie-Test" - end of message.

Grazie
apit34356 wrote on 11/14/2008, 10:35 AM
JohnnyRoy, Have you tried editing the "file desc" and removing nero from being called for avi? After that and you still have problems, then check the AVI wrapper checker proc in windows.system32 and re-installed the old wrapper file,( I think this should work). ;-)
TLF wrote on 11/14/2008, 10:44 AM
I liked the eraly version of Nero. In the days when Roxio had a sensible name (that eludes me now) and virtually owned the CD burning world, Nero had to work really hard to make their software known. And what a good job Nero did...

Version 5 was probably the best, 6 wasn't quite so good; 7 was acceptable, but 8 I've never been happy with. Bloat bloat bloat. I'm still using 8 with Vista*, but have no intention of upgrading to 9.

* When I installed Nero 8 on Vista, I performed a custom install, so I was surprised when Vista informed me that I component I had asked not be be installed, had failed to install correctly.

Yes, Nero is bloatware - even the OEM versions. It starts p*ssing with the computer, and creates corrupt AutoRun entries.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 11/14/2008, 10:44 AM
i've had no issues with nero 8. a copy of winamp is what messed up all my file associations, but besides that, nero's fine.
JJKizak wrote on 11/14/2008, 10:46 AM
Nero 8 is non-functional in Vista 64 unless you only install one or two applications and not the two GUI's.
JJK
daryl wrote on 11/14/2008, 10:50 AM
I had many issues with Nero 8 at first, part of the installed files even showed up as a virus to System Mechanic 7. I finally removed all but the essential parts of Nero 8 for my needs, which luckily are few. Nero tech support was no help at all.
kairosmatt wrote on 11/14/2008, 11:01 AM
Could Nero be the source of my HDV problems? I only have Nero 7 essentials installed, but there is something weird going on.

In windows explorer the default program for opening HDV files captured via Vegas is Nero, yet the default program for HDV from PPro is Windows Media (it has the MPEG icon on it). The PPro Mpegs cause Vegas to go batty

Could be a stretch, but it would be great if I could just uninstall Nero and be good to go.

Thoughts?

kairosmatt
Laurence wrote on 11/14/2008, 11:31 AM
I'm using Nero 9 with Vista 64. No problems so far. I kind of like it.
reberclark wrote on 11/14/2008, 11:35 AM
NERO 7 broke my Windows Media Player's ability to play DVDs. Other than that all seems okay.
CClub wrote on 11/14/2008, 11:39 AM
Lawrence,
Did you take any unique steps to install Nero 9?

I actually never had any problems with Nero 8 and used it for many things, but attempting to install Nero 9 last night nearly brought my whole system down.
tcbetka wrote on 11/14/2008, 12:46 PM
Luckily, I wasn't able to get either Nero 6 or 7 to work for me (the free demo version). So then someone on this forum suggested ImgBurn, and I've been using it. Wow..GREAT application. So there's no need for Nero here at all.

So to whomever suggested ImgBurn (sorry, I've forgotten), I owe you one.

TB
Laurence wrote on 11/14/2008, 1:16 PM
Lawrence,

I remember that it seemed to hang up at first, then it started working suddenly. It's been working ever since that initial hiccup. I have no idea of why it initially had trouble or why it started working after that.
John_Cline wrote on 11/14/2008, 1:39 PM
"So to whomever suggested ImgBurn (sorry, I've forgotten), I owe you one."

That may have been me, I've been singing the praises of ImgBurn all over the various video forums. It is a great (and free) piece of burning software. I am now 100% Nero free on all my machines.

http://www.imgburn.com
jabloomf1230 wrote on 11/14/2008, 1:40 PM
I wasn't going to buy it anyway, since I felt like I was snookered for buying the almost worthless Nero 8. BTW, does anyone think that the economic mess will force the price of computers and software down much? I'm only asking because the rumors are that the demand for new Adobe CS4 software has been weak. Unfortunately, that hasn't affected the price, so there must be people out there who upgrade at all costs.
tcbetka wrote on 11/14/2008, 1:49 PM
Yes John Cline...I believe it WAS you, now that you mention it.

So here and now I say I owe you one. If we ever run into one another at a Vegas user's group function--drinks are on me.

TB
JackW wrote on 11/14/2008, 2:13 PM
I only use Nero, which messes with my Windows Media Player also, to burn data DVDs and the occasional CD. Will imgburn create data DVDs?

Jack
John_Cline wrote on 11/14/2008, 2:20 PM
Yes, ImgBurn will burn data DVDs.
CClub wrote on 11/14/2008, 2:28 PM
I never had problems with version 8. Despite the problems some people had, I used it for many things: it would play a very wide variety of video files, it did a very nice job of re-coding DVD's I purchased into a format that would fit on my iPhone, and it did a great job re-coding audio files from mp3 to wma, etc. It was a nice toolkit for small obscure tasks. Too bad it has these other issues.
xstr8guy@sbcglobal.net wrote on 11/14/2008, 2:38 PM
I just uninstalled Nero 8 after reading this thread. My workstation came with some kind of Nero product preinstalled which I uninstalled immediately. But after uninstalling it, Vegas wouldn't work properly. I assumed that Nero uninstalled some necessary component or codec that Vegas needed to function. So I went and bought Nero 8 (which I never used) and Vegas started working again.

I'm crossing my fingers to see if everything is still alright.
farss wrote on 11/14/2008, 2:40 PM
I've used Nero a LOT in the past, mostly because I've been burned more than once by relying on DVDA to reliably burn a DVD. The lack of a verification pass in DVDA's burning is plain pathetic.

However I too am appalled at the number of dubious services that the later versions of Nero infest my PCs with. One has to ask why do these software companies do this. Nero aren't the only ones, I still run an old version of NAV corporate which still keeps itself upto date and simply works. I would not install anything that Norton have released in the last few year though. Acronis's True Image in it's latest version does the same thing as well. All too often simple, very functional software that I've gladly paid for and recommended gets turned into c**p that no sane person would use, why?

Is it because these companies need some way to leverage more money by duping us into buying pointless upgrades, personally I'd rather pay for an annual licence for the old version just to keep their simplicity.

Bob.
nolonemo wrote on 11/14/2008, 3:06 PM
I still use Nero 6. Never saw the need for any more functionality, or the need to spend more $$ on bloatware. Nero 6 is already bloated enough. Unfortunately Nero 6 is pretty hard to find there days. You can pick up Nero 7 OEM from meritline for around $5 or so, it's probably Nero Express, but should give you all the functionality you need.
MozartMan wrote on 11/14/2008, 3:24 PM
I have Nero 8 and I don't have any problems. I do custom install and some other tips. So, here it goes.

Custom Installation of Nero 8

Select Custom Install.
Uncheck check box for browser toolbar plug-in (whatever its name is).
Select Nero Burning Rom and any other application you need (I also use Nero Vision and Nero ShowTime).
Install Nero.

At the end of installation you get window with several tabs, one of those is for video files association, and one for audio files. Unselect all for video and audio, so Nero won’t hijack your Windows files associations. Finish installation.

Now, here are some tips on how to clean up your computer from Nero pests.

I use utility called Startup Control Panel that I use to edit registry without going to REGEDIT.
Start StartupControlPanel and delete NeroFilterCheck entry, which located in HKLM/Run registry key tab.

Go to Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer Management, Services, and disable NMIndexingService.

Using Windows Explorer click on Program Files folder, click search, and type NM*.exe. Search will find a bunch of files that start with NM in file name:

NMBgMonitor.exe
NMFirstStart.exe
NMIndexingService.exe
NMIndexStoreSvr.exe
NMTVRecorder.exe
NMTvWizard.exe

Rename those files. I usually replace last e with _ (underscore) in the file extension.

Next, go to Start/All Programs/Nero 8/Nero Toolkit/ and click on "Nero Control Center". In Nero Control Center, click on the Update icon (Green arrow). Uncheck "Check for updates every: " box. Click "OK" button.

You can also disable key checking if you want. Look for a file named NeroPatentActivation.exe The path to that file can be found here: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Nero\Shared\NL3\NeroPatentActivation.exe. You need to either delete this file or rename it. If you decide to rename it, rename it something like this: NeroPatentActivation.exe.bak

And this is how you can Un-install NeroScout from your computer permanently:

Click Start, Run and type this:

regsvr32 /u "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Nero\Lib\MediaLibraryNSE.dll"

Enjoy your Nero without bloatware.
Tech Diver wrote on 11/14/2008, 7:01 PM
I concur that Nero takes over parts of the system even with a minimal installation. I use Nero 7 with a custom install that loads only the burning tool and nothing else. Yet I found that it caused my DVDs and MPEG2 files to play without de-interlaceing (very visually displeasing). After much trial and error, I finally found that with the GSPOT tool I could increase my other DVD codec to a higher merit value from the default 0x0060000. That did the trick! No more Nero "interference".