Subject:AP7 - 2 Questions

Posted by: porkjelly

Date:10/28/2008 2:01:01 PM

I can no longer grab a highlighted measure and drag it back and forth to adjust it in Step 3 of the Beatmapper Wizard. A bug?

Also, whatever happened to the start offset box under Clip Properties? I used to be able to change the value manually and then save it. Now, it's gone altogether. I can change it under Event Properties but there's no way to save the changes from that window.

Subject:RE: AP7 - 2 Questions

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:10/28/2008 3:00:55 PM

> I can no longer grab a highlighted measure and drag it back and forth to adjust it in Step 3 of the Beatmapper Wizard. A bug?

Same here. Now you can only drag the marker (which does exactly the same thing as moving the highlight but it is inconsistent with previous versions in which you could drag the marker or move the highlight). Actually, the Beatmapper wizard isn't really needed anymore anyway. You can beatmap right in the clip properties and drop beat markers with different timings for each measure.

> Also, whatever happened to the start offset box under Clip Properties?

I don't see a start offset box in Clip Properties ACID Pro 6 (or 7)? Wasn't it always on the event only?

~jr

Subject:RE: AP7 - 2 Questions

Reply by: porkjelly

Date:10/28/2008 4:28:14 PM

I see that you can move the marker instead of the highlight, but I've also discovered why I initially believe that you couldn't: the snapping threshold in the new Beatmapper increases the further down the file you get. If I grab the marker at the start of the file, it slides back and forth smoothly. If I grab the marker when the selection is towards the end of the file, I have to move my mouse significantly to the right before it will "snap" over...a whole gridspacing (four lines or ruler marks) over. Another odd thing happens, in the process of moving the marker over, the numbers on the ruler marks change, even when the marker hasn't snapped yet,

As for the offset box, it was located under Clip Properties in AP6 under one of the two tabs (General or Stretch).

Subject:RE: AP7 - 2 Questions

Reply by: porkjelly

Date:10/29/2008 1:22:15 PM

Peter, can you check on the Beatmapper (bug?) for me, as well as the missing offset box? Thanks.

Subject:RE: AP7 - 2 Questions

Reply by: pwppch

Date:10/29/2008 2:59:06 PM

I have forwarded this on to the engineer responsible for all things beatmapper related. He should respond here.

Peter

Subject:RE: AP7 - 2 Questions

Reply by: porkjelly

Date:10/30/2008 1:23:00 PM

Thanks a bunch, Peter.

Can anyone else confirm the missing offset box that allows you to manually change the value? In AP6, it was located under the Clip Properties window under either the General tab or Stretch tab.

Subject:RE: AP7 - 2 Questions

Reply by: ForumAdmin

Date:10/30/2008 3:01:11 PM

Regarding how the orange Measure Markers snap when dragging:

This is primarily because the tempo defined in the Beatmap have the same resolution as the ACID project tempo (0.001 BPM) and the measure marker positions are calculated using the tempo (and time signature changes / downbeat location). The fact that the ruler and the markers can get slightly out of sync indicates that there is probably something else at play here as well.

We have these issues in our bug database and will attempt to resolve them, but I cannot say whether that will happen in a 7.0a or any other specific timeframe.

You cannot access them in the Beatmapper Wizard, but in the Stretch tab of clip properties you can now insert Beatmap Markers. These behave a bit differently and should move back and forth in time smoothly in all cases.

If you find that you are limited in the accuracy at which you can place the Measure Markers to define the Beatmap tempo, I suggest you insert a Beatmap Marker at the last Measure Marker (simplest to double click on the Measure Marker) that is aligned with the audio you are attempting to Beatmap. You should then be able to adjust the proceeding Measure Markers more accurately.


As to the "missing offset box", I believe you are referring to the "Downbeat offset" being exposed along with the other controls to the left of the Clip Properties Stretch pane Track View for Beatmapped Clips.

There are essentially two reasons why it was removed:

1) A mundane reason, we needed the screen real estate to include the "Inititial time signature" controls.

2) The Beatmap Downbeat is now a "special" Beatmap Marker. If it is the only Beatmap Marker in the Beatmap it behaves the same as it has previously and editing it out of the context of the Stretch Properites Track View makes as much sense as it always has.

However if there are additional Beatmap Markers in the Beatmap, changing the marker position will alter the tempo at the marker and the preceding markers. Beatmap Markers are "locked" to a musical time positions and move in "normal" time, defining tempo markers and stretching musical time to align with the underlying media. This is not as obvious if you are adjusting the marker positions outside the context of the Track View where you can see the music time ruler and grid stretching as you adjust the markers.

Put more simply, Beatmap Markers (including the Downbeat) are not entirely independent of each other. Allowing you to edit the Downbeat Marker position outside of the context of all Beatmap Markers doesn't express this very well.


Thanks,

--j

Subject:RE: AP7 - 2 Questions

Reply by: porkjelly

Date:10/30/2008 6:51:12 PM

--j

Thanks for your response. I was curious as to whether or not Beatmapper had been changed in that regard, since AP6 did not have this "problem".

As for the missing Downbeat Sample box, I'll simply have to get used to doing it differently.