Ok let me get this straight. Compared to Vegas, Pro Tools is a toy?
If I have serious multitrack recording or mixing, I should use Vegas,
and not Digi 001?

The Digi 001 offers 24 trks of 24bit, 48k, audio recording, the most
used and respected audio software on the planet, midi sequencing and
editing, the highest quality plugins available, the sessions are
fully compatible with full TDM systems (cross-platform), and I should
use Vegas?

Tell me George, what color is the sky on your fuckin planet?


George Krzyzewski wrote:
>>
>>
>>It's a no-brainer, nothing, and I mean NOTHING,
>>>>comes close for $900! Quit crying to the Vegas developers,
>>>>and go get yourself a real studio.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, let's see...10...9...8...7...
>>
>> Oh yeah right! If you like toys the DIGI 001 setup is just
right!
>>Ya know, I've been watching this forum myself a while. It seems
that
>>this product competition issue, has superceded discussion about
Vegas
>>Pro and how we can help each other work. Some of us make a living
at
>>this and are interested in the finer points of Vegas Pro. It's not
a
>>censorship issue, it's about people learning to use Vegas Pro
better!
>>For instance, the information in a previous thread about the Vegas
>>Pro method of punching in on the fly, really helped me.
>> V P is software that works in a studio setting that is
>>independent of the program. DIGI 001 is a self contained system
>>designed for hobbyists. If you have multi track recording (8-24)
or
>>mixing projects or serious mix work, you could use Vegas. You could
>>not use DIGI001.
>> How about getting back in the groove, and using this forum to
>>benefit all of us, rather than using it for a pissin contest.
>>George Krzyzewski
>>Open Doors

Hello.

We're sorry to hear that somebody is spreading a rumor like that.

I'll try my best to dispel it.

We actually try our best to encourage all forms of (legal) software
and hardware discussion, this helps people learn what is available
for them, what works best, what kind of system configurations we're
all using for optimal results, and overall good morale!

There are only 2 types of messages which are removed from the message
bases, these are:

1. Blatant advertisements which really are not appropriate for our
message bases, for example:

"Come check out the new MIDISEQUENCER for Windows!!! You can buy it
for $13 at: http://www.MIDISEQUENCER13dollars.com"

2. Message posts of Websites which carry illegal software, not only
ours, but other companies as well, another example:

"!!! FREE SOFTWARE SAVE THOUSAND OF DOLLARS !!!!!!!!!!!!! You can get
this and more at: http://www.illegalsoftware929019.com"

I'm sure you understand.

You've probably even got a couple of unsolicited email messages which
were a lot like these.

You'll find that most message bases share these same policies.

Thanks.




Dick_Withers wrote:
>>Hey everybody, I heard a rumor that if you mention a
>>particular competing product in this forum, your post will
>>be deleted. I read over some of the recent posts, and
>>noticed, the ones comparing Vegas and Nuendo don't seem to
>>be a problem. I heard, it's the mention of the Win98 Digi
>>001, that's being met with a swift response from SF (very
>>telling). I thought I'd see if it's true, so here goes...
>>
>>The Win98 Digi 001 has shipped to stores and is available
>>NOW! I've used the Mac version on a 450 mHz G4 and it
>>ROCKS!!! The Digi tech I talked to told me the versions are
>>identical. It's a no-brainer, nothing, and I mean NOTHING,
>>comes close for $900! Quit crying to the Vegas developers,
>>and go get yourself a real studio.
>>
>>Ok, let's see...10...9...8...7...

Um...so what you're telling me is, my source is full of it and I came
here and made a dick of myself for nothing?

Great


K.Shaffer wrote:
>>Hello.
>>
>>We're sorry to hear that somebody is spreading a rumor like that.
>>
>>I'll try my best to dispel it.
>>
>>We actually try our best to encourage all forms of (legal) software
>>and hardware discussion, this helps people learn what is available
>>for them, what works best, what kind of system configurations we're
>>all using for optimal results, and overall good morale!
>>
>>There are only 2 types of messages which are removed from the
message
>>bases, these are:
>>
>>1. Blatant advertisements which really are not appropriate for our
>>message bases, for example:
>>
>>"Come check out the new MIDISEQUENCER for Windows!!! You can buy it
>>for $13 at: http://www.MIDISEQUENCER13dollars.com"
>>
>>2. Message posts of Websites which carry illegal software, not only
>>ours, but other companies as well, another example:
>>
>>"!!! FREE SOFTWARE SAVE THOUSAND OF DOLLARS !!!!!!!!!!!!! You can
get
>>this and more at: http://www.illegalsoftware929019.com"
>>
>>I'm sure you understand.
>>
>>You've probably even got a couple of unsolicited email messages
which
>>were a lot like these.
>>
>>You'll find that most message bases share these same policies.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Dick_Withers wrote:
>>>>Hey everybody, I heard a rumor that if you mention a
>>>>particular competing product in this forum, your post will
>>>>be deleted. I read over some of the recent posts, and
>>>>noticed, the ones comparing Vegas and Nuendo don't seem to
>>>>be a problem. I heard, it's the mention of the Win98 Digi
>>>>001, that's being met with a swift response from SF (very
>>>>telling). I thought I'd see if it's true, so here goes...
>>>>
>>>>The Win98 Digi 001 has shipped to stores and is available
>>>>NOW! I've used the Mac version on a 450 mHz G4 and it
>>>>ROCKS!!! The Digi tech I talked to told me the versions are
>>>>identical. It's a no-brainer, nothing, and I mean NOTHING,
>>>>comes close for $900! Quit crying to the Vegas developers,
>>>>and go get yourself a real studio.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, let's see...10...9...8...7...

Dick_Withers wrote:
>>Um...so what you're telling me is, my source is full of it and I
came
>>here and made a dick of myself for nothing?
>>
>>Great
>>
>>
>>K.Shaffer wrote:
>>>>Hello.
>>>>
>>>>We're sorry to hear that somebody is spreading a rumor like that.
>>>>
>>>>I'll try my best to dispel it.
>>>>
>>>>We actually try our best to encourage all forms of (legal)
software
>>>>and hardware discussion, this helps people learn what is
available
>>>>for them, what works best, what kind of system configurations
we're
>>>>all using for optimal results, and overall good morale!
>>>>
>>>>There are only 2 types of messages which are removed from the
>>message
>>>>bases, these are:
>>>>
>>>>1. Blatant advertisements which really are not appropriate for
our
>>>>message bases, for example:
>>>>
>>>>"Come check out the new MIDISEQUENCER for Windows!!! You can buy
it
>>>>for $13 at: http://www.MIDISEQUENCER13dollars.com"
>>>>
>>>>2. Message posts of Websites which carry illegal software, not
only
>>>>ours, but other companies as well, another example:
>>>>
>>>>"!!! FREE SOFTWARE SAVE THOUSAND OF DOLLARS !!!!!!!!!!!!! You can
>>get
>>>>this and more at: http://www.illegalsoftware929019.com"
>>>>
>>>>I'm sure you understand.
>>>>
>>>>You've probably even got a couple of unsolicited email messages
>>which
>>>>were a lot like these.
>>>>
>>>>You'll find that most message bases share these same policies.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dick_Withers wrote:
>>>>>>Hey everybody, I heard a rumor that if you mention a
>>>>>>particular competing product in this forum, your post will
>>>>>>be deleted. I read over some of the recent posts, and
>>>>>>noticed, the ones comparing Vegas and Nuendo don't seem to
>>>>>>be a problem. I heard, it's the mention of the Win98 Digi
>>>>>>001, that's being met with a swift response from SF (very
>>>>>>telling). I thought I'd see if it's true, so here goes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Win98 Digi 001 has shipped to stores and is available
>>>>>>NOW! I've used the Mac version on a 450 mHz G4 and it
>>>>>>ROCKS!!! The Digi tech I talked to told me the versions are
>>>>>>identical. It's a no-brainer, nothing, and I mean NOTHING,
>>>>>>comes close for $900! Quit crying to the Vegas developers,
>>>>>>and go get yourself a real studio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok, let's see...10...9...8...7...


I think Dick is pointing in the right direction...

I don't own the Win98 Digi001; I own Steinberg's Nuendo.

But as a person always looking to compare products in order to make
informed decisions in future purchases, I have checked out the Digi
001 system, and IT DOES ROCK!!!

Vegas is NOT A BAD PRODUCT, but really pales in comparison to this
two PROFESSIONAL packages.

Sincerely,

Irvin.

Not to belabor a point ( because this forum is about Vegas Pro and
its users ) but...
DIGI001 is a very limited system that does indeed allow a decent
trade in deal for the pro level digidesign tools. With just DIGI001
how would I simultaneously record 12 tracks of audio? Assuming I buy
the package (card, panel, and code) could I have 3 separate lightpipe
devices inputting data simultaneously? If I chose to utilize expanded
scene management with an advanced digital mixer or patching of a
multi digital devices could I do it with DIGI001?. The answer of
course to all of the above is no! Now, I could do this in my studio
while using Vegas as the software piece in my system. Having said
that, I realize that Pro Tools is the leading professional system out
there, but mister I've seen DIGI001 and it's no PRO TOOLS!

PS (to unknown)using F....n in your response to my post is jive, and
indicates a lack of courtesy and respect to fellow music pros.
That's how things are done on my planet!
George
Open Doors

Well Your fisrt name is Dick isn't it? :) Just joking

The lost url with free software starts with http://come.to
i forgot the rest and these guys censored the article
BUMMER :(

Alex


Dick_Withers wrote:
>>Um...so what you're telling me is, my source is full of it and I
came
>>here and made a dick of myself for nothing?
>>
>>Great
>>
>>
>>K.Shaffer wrote:
>>>>Hello.
>>>>
>>>>We're sorry to hear that somebody is spreading a rumor like that.
>>>>
>>>>I'll try my best to dispel it.
>>>>
>>>>We actually try our best to encourage all forms of (legal)
software
>>>>and hardware discussion, this helps people learn what is
available
>>>>for them, what works best, what kind of system configurations
we're
>>>>all using for optimal results, and overall good morale!
>>>>
>>>>There are only 2 types of messages which are removed from the
>>message
>>>>bases, these are:
>>>>
>>>>1. Blatant advertisements which really are not appropriate for
our
>>>>message bases, for example:
>>>>
>>>>"Come check out the new MIDISEQUENCER for Windows!!! You can buy
it
>>>>for $13 at: http://www.MIDISEQUENCER13dollars.com"
>>>>
>>>>2. Message posts of Websites which carry illegal software, not
only
>>>>ours, but other companies as well, another example:
>>>>
>>>>"!!! FREE SOFTWARE SAVE THOUSAND OF DOLLARS !!!!!!!!!!!!! You can
>>get
>>>>this and more at: http://www.illegalsoftware929019.com"
>>>>
>>>>I'm sure you understand.
>>>>
>>>>You've probably even got a couple of unsolicited email messages
>>which
>>>>were a lot like these.
>>>>
>>>>You'll find that most message bases share these same policies.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dick_Withers wrote:
>>>>>>Hey everybody, I heard a rumor that if you mention a
>>>>>>particular competing product in this forum, your post will
>>>>>>be deleted. I read over some of the recent posts, and
>>>>>>noticed, the ones comparing Vegas and Nuendo don't seem to
>>>>>>be a problem. I heard, it's the mention of the Win98 Digi
>>>>>>001, that's being met with a swift response from SF (very
>>>>>>telling). I thought I'd see if it's true, so here goes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Win98 Digi 001 has shipped to stores and is available
>>>>>>NOW! I've used the Mac version on a 450 mHz G4 and it
>>>>>>ROCKS!!! The Digi tech I talked to told me the versions are
>>>>>>identical. It's a no-brainer, nothing, and I mean NOTHING,
>>>>>>comes close for $900! Quit crying to the Vegas developers,
>>>>>>and go get yourself a real studio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok, let's see...10...9...8...7...

You're right George; the Digi 001 is not a totally open-ended
system. You can't use it with any hardware you want. THANK GOD! Read
some of the posts in this forum and you'll begin to see the advantage
of a fully integrated hardware/software solution. Even though the
Digi 001 offers a tremendous value in hardware and software, guys
like you will knock it because it doesn't offer enough. It's easy to
be seduced by the promise of endless expandability "Because Vegas
gives you less, it gives you MORE!" But the reality is you only get
the "Vegas pie in the sky" with a considerable investment in hardware
and computing power. I imagine some people will spend thousands to
trick-out their Vegas systems, but most just want to be able to
record and edit pristine audio on a proven, stable, system that's
worth their hard earned cash.

Is the Digi 001 worth your hard-earned cash? Of course it is. Will
it be all things to all people? Of course not. No doubt, it has
limitations (what doesn't?), but what they did put in it (its focus),
is so capable and well engineered that it justifies it's meager price
from any angle. If you need more than 8 analog inputs then the
excellent Vegas is a better choice for you. I think it's great that
some of you are trying to use Vegas as the centerpiece recorder in
your studios. Not even a full-blown Pro Tools rig would be my first
choice for recording lots of inputs. Orchestras are usually recorded
to locked DASH machines, mixed into the desired format, and bussed to
a recording workstation for editing and processing.

While I'm on this wittless jag, I want to say something about
recording tools and the creative process in general. Our society is
obsessed with choice "MORE, BIGGER, BETTER!" People hate to commit,
they don't trust themselves, they don't want be "locked in". What
most don't understand is that having totally free choice is
destructive to the creative process. Limitation is good, it inspires
problem solving, ie creativity. Read interviews with great musical
artists and you'll notice, more often than not, that when asked about
how they came up with that amazing part or sound, they say it was
born of necessity. Inspired by what they didn't have, not by what
they did. Michaelangelo had to spend years on his back on scaffolding
to paint the Sistine chapel. I wonder what would have happened if he
had gone to the Pope and said "Hey this is bogus, it's too limiting".
Everyone knows the Beatles recorded their stuff on a 4 track. Does
anybody really think those records would be better if they were
recorded today at Ocean Way?

Simply put, it's the process of creating that yields great results.
The Digi 001, while limited, works great. If you disagree, I don't
believe you've really used it. It's hundreds of times more powerful,
flexible, and easy to use, then what was available when the best
records were made. If you can't make a commercial product on the Digi
001, you're in the wrong business and no amount of gear will save you.





George Krzyzewski wrote:
>>
>>
>>Not to belabor a point ( because this forum is about Vegas Pro and
>>its users ) but...
>>DIGI001 is a very limited system that does indeed allow a decent
>>trade in deal for the pro level digidesign tools. With just
DIGI001
>>how would I simultaneously record 12 tracks of audio? Assuming I
buy
>>the package (card, panel, and code) could I have 3 separate
lightpipe
>>devices inputting data simultaneously? If I chose to utilize
expanded
>>scene management with an advanced digital mixer or patching of a
>>multi digital devices could I do it with DIGI001?. The answer of
>>course to all of the above is no! Now, I could do this in my
studio
>>while using Vegas as the software piece in my system. Having said
>>that, I realize that Pro Tools is the leading professional system
out
>>there, but mister I've seen DIGI001 and it's no PRO TOOLS!
>>
>>PS (to unknown)using F....n in your response to my post is jive,
and
>>indicates a lack of courtesy and respect to fellow music pros.
>>That's how things are done on my planet!
>>George
>>Open Doors

Good post, Dick ... worth re-reading!

While I know nothing about Digi 001, your post speaks to some
essential truths about creating using the limitations of your tools
to your advantage ... many of the sounds and techniques we take for
granted today, from distorting guitars to effects like flanging, are
the direct result of that process.

Well said.

KAC ...


Dick_Withers wrote:

>> While I'm on this wittless jag, I want to say something about
>>recording tools and the creative process in general. Our society is
>>obsessed with choice "MORE, BIGGER, BETTER!" People hate to commit,
>>they don't trust themselves, they don't want be "locked in". What
>>most don't understand is that having totally free choice is
>>destructive to the creative process. Limitation is good, it
inspires
>>problem solving, ie creativity. Read interviews with great musical
>>artists and you'll notice, more often than not, that when asked
about
>>how they came up with that amazing part or sound, they say it was
>>born of necessity. Inspired by what they didn't have, not by what
>>they did. Michaelangelo had to spend years on his back on
scaffolding
>>to paint the Sistine chapel. I wonder what would have happened if
he
>>had gone to the Pope and said "Hey this is bogus, it's too
limiting".
>>Everyone knows the Beatles recorded their stuff on a 4 track. Does
>>anybody really think those records would be better if they were
>>recorded today at Ocean Way?
>>
>> Simply put, it's the process of creating that yields great
results.
>>The Digi 001, while limited, works great. If you disagree, I don't
>>believe you've really used it. It's hundreds of times more
powerful,
>>flexible, and easy to use, then what was available when the best
>>records were made. If you can't make a commercial product on the
Digi
>>001, you're in the wrong business and no amount of gear will save
you.

Well said Dick, and I hope I didn't leave the impression that I am
about "more, bigger, better". We had a lot of posts on this forum
that were a bit aggressive and narrow about other products, and I
reacted with my opinion. I don't have a huge studio and the creative
process is the most essential element. I enjoy using Vegas Pro as
well as other DAW programs (SEKD2496). 2 points, if your work
requires more resources than DIGI001 provides, the upgrade path to
the next level is about a %500 increase in price. I feel that this is
somewhat of a bait and switch tactic, to get consumers to go for the
big stuff later. Also, part of the creative process is to mix and
match your own studio as per your requirements. When given a fixed
system such as DIGI001, I personally might want to use a different
component here or there, within my limited budget. Here's hoping you
make great sounds on whatever equipment you're using.
George

George Krzyzewski wrote:
>>
>>Well said, Dick...


What a pair of fucking morons these two assholes, George and Karl...
Like you can get very "creative" with CoolEditPro & Band-In-A-BOx
shit!!!

Keep kissing Dick, while he inserts himself in your asses, faggots.

HA! and I thought I was a Dick! This post is so over the top that I
can't tell who's getting slammed.

larry lutz wrote:
>>
>>
>>George Krzyzewski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Well said, Dick...
>>
>>
>>What a pair of fucking morons these two assholes, George and Karl...
>>Like you can get very "creative" with CoolEditPro & Band-In-A-BOx
>>shit!!!
>>
>>Keep kissing Dick, while he inserts himself in your asses, faggots.
>>
>>
>>
>>

Dick_Withers wrote:
>>HA! and I thought I was a Dick! This post is so over the top that I
>>can't tell who's getting slammed.



Those two assholes, George & Karl are getting slammed. Not you, Dick.
They totally miss the fucking point of your post. I'm a non-
professional user of recording software, and as such, Vegas is more
than enough to get my work done. But it doesn't blind me to the fact
that there's stuff out there that is much, much better and
professional, like the Digi 001 system you mention in your original
message. But these two retardos take consolation in thinking that you
can produce professional results with shitty equipment or software.
It has been done, but George & Karl are no Beatles, as we know.
What little pieces of shit...

Thanks for the slam little larry, you're a class act! Keep writing
the good stuff man! We really need to hear it here. Let us know how
things are in the toilet!!
Your Pal
George

Big George:
Things ain't that good here in the toilet. Your dead mother's body
restricts my bowel movements.



George Krzyzewski wrote:
>>
>>
>>Thanks for the slam little larry, you're a class act! Keep writing
>>the good stuff man! We really need to hear it here. Let us know how
>>things are in the toilet!!
>>Your Pal
>>George

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>Good post, Dick ... worth re-reading!
>>
>>While I know nothing about Digi 001, your post speaks to some
>>essential truths about creating using the limitations of your tools
>>to your advantage...

What is this Karl asshole talking about?
"using the limitations of your tools to your advantage..."!!! Has any
fu&**ing one ever heard something more ridiculous than this? You
don't use the limitations of your tools to your advantage...you "try
to overcome the limitations". Dick's post is too subtle for this
retarded little creep. It specifically implies that the best
equipment available should be used (as "within your budgetary
constrains") and when you run into an obstacle, then you create out
of necessity. That's why he recommends the Digi 001 system with
ProTools LE. But this ass thinks that Dick's post is about glorifying
the "pleasure" of trying to produce a masterpiece using "Band-in-a-
box". Gimme a fucking break.
Let's face it: most of us are here because we can't afford ProTools
or a Fairlight DAW.
Bitch all you want, but that's the truth. Vegas is an affordable
alternative, but new options are being created everyday.
We try to do our best with the best equipment we can get, but there
ain't no Vegas mixes in Billboard...

larry "the prick" lutz