Looking for Direct X plugins

ThomasATL wrote on 6/3/2000, 10:33 PM
I'm familiar with the obvious ones, SF, Waves. But I was
wondering if anyone had any favorites that were on caliber
of Waves.

Also, is it RAM plus CPU that allows for the quantity of DX
efx and:

Wouldn't reverbs be written for CPU power if that were the
case. For instance, would there be some reverbs that
respond differently to a dual 700 verses a single PII 450?
Smoother tails?

Comments

markberger wrote on 6/3/2000, 11:17 PM
Check out www.directxfiles.com - there's a lot of DX effects there.

The Freeverb one (which as the name would imply, is free ;-) is
really good.

Mark

Thomas Kay wrote:
>>I'm familiar with the obvious ones, SF, Waves. But I was
>>wondering if anyone had any favorites that were on caliber
>>of Waves.
>>
>>Also, is it RAM plus CPU that allows for the quantity of DX
>>efx and:
>>
>>Wouldn't reverbs be written for CPU power if that were the
>>case. For instance, would there be some reverbs that
>>respond differently to a dual 700 verses a single PII 450?
>>Smoother tails?
User-3156 wrote on 6/4/2000, 8:33 AM


Thomas Kay wrote:
>>I'm familiar with the obvious ones, SF, Waves. But I was
>>wondering if anyone had any favorites that were on caliber
>>of Waves.
>>

Check out these sets: Timeworks "Millenium Pack", TC Native Reverb &
TC Native Power Packs I & II, Prosoniq's Mixciter & Timestretch,
Steinberg's Mastering Edition (good sound, but very CPU
intensive...), Orange Vocoder, GRM Tools, etc. All of them are
available for sale individually.
The key to good sound is to have the right combination of quality and
quantity (yes, in that order) of plugins for the type of work that
you do. Doesn't make any sense to have every sound-restoration plugin
on earth if you do very little work in that field, for example.
They all tax your RAM & CPU; but it doesn't necessarily follow that
the most CPU-intensive plugins are the best sounding ones...
JoeD wrote on 6/5/2000, 1:01 AM
Hey man,

I have been dealing with the vegas 1.0b problems and issues with
proper upgrade paths for Vegas recently after purchasing....AND I
PAID $600.00 FOR IT.
They do seem to be taking the screw the customer approach now for the
upgrade path.

But where do you get off bitching about a now $300.00 vegas, it's
bugs, and lack of pro features when you don't even own it?

I don't wanna hear it. This is insulting to me the paying customer.
Get in MY boat...THEN start spouting bub.

btw: I did love the reply post banter involving the number of words
with "pro" preceeding. Funny.

joed
User-3156 wrote on 6/5/2000, 9:15 AM
Joe Doria wrote:
>>Hey man,
>>
>>I have been dealing with the vegas 1.0b problems and issues with
>>proper upgrade paths for Vegas recently after purchasing....AND I
>>PAID $600.00 FOR IT.
>>They do seem to be taking the screw the customer approach now for
the
>>upgrade path.
>>
>>But where do you get off bitching about a now $300.00 vegas, it's
>>bugs, and lack of pro features when you don't even own it?
>>
>>I don't wanna hear it. This is insulting to me the paying customer.
>>Get in MY boat...THEN start spouting bub.
>>
>>btw: I did love the reply post banter involving the number of words
>>with "pro" preceeding. Funny.
>>
>>joed



Joe:

I'M NOT THE ONE SCREWING YOU.
SonicFoundry is.
You probably got your software directly from SonicFoundry. Talk about
"going to the source"!!!!!
I'm really sorry to hear your story, but the lesson for the future is
very simple: INVESTIGATE. Ask SIMPLE questions about the functionality
of the gear/software you want to buy. Don't get too caught in the
silly debates about things the AVERAGE musician has very little use
for: 24bit/96k recording is a perfect example. How many people have
computers powerful enough to record 24 tracks of 24/96 audio with a
few plugins thrown in?
In all fairness to SonicFoundry, I must say they are not alone in this
game of "milking the customer":
Cakewalk had 3 PAID UPGRADES IN LESS THAN A YEAR.
Opcode keeps advertising and SELLING products while the company is
being PHASED OUT...
Tascam & Mackie advertise NON-EXISTING products to prevent the
"POTENTIAL BUYER" from getting the competition's product...
Remember when Event Electronics kept teasing their victims with the
release of Layla soundcard for MORE THAN A YEAR?
Alesis would you have believe the BEST way to record audio is at
20bits. Not 16, not 24, not anything else. Why? They want to
sell their 20bit recorders...
Notice that these are MAJOR companies in the recording industry. You
would think they don't need to behave like used-car salesmen, but
they do it anyway...
So, once again, DO YOUR RESEARCH.

Why don't I own Vegas Pro? Because AFTER DOING MY RESEARCH, I decided
there are better ways of using my money.
On the other hand, I'm a VERY HAPPY,REGISTERED user of AcidPro. Great,
innovative software.

Good luck, Joe.



Kelly_S wrote on 6/5/2000, 1:22 PM
Irvin.

I deleted your last message. This forum is not for advertisements.
Please don't do it again.

Thanks.
User-3156 wrote on 6/5/2000, 2:43 PM


K.Shaffer wrote:
>>Irvin.
>>
>>I deleted your last message. This forum is not for advertisements.
>>Please don't do it again.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>

I can hear the grinding of the teeth...
Why is it that SonicFoundry doesn't want to deal with ANYTHING that
has to do with an INFORMED customer?
If your products are good, there's nothing to fear...
You don't feel it necessary to delete posts that mention other
software/hardware that doesn't compete with your products; but when
anyone mentions a GOOD product that WORKS AS ADVERTISED, you become
very insecure. Why?
What you call "advertisements" is nothing but an honest attempt at
SHOWING people ALL THE OPTIONS AT THEIR DISPOSAL (including the
products that your company makes).
After all, no one will go and buy anything just because I recommend
it. I'm not that important.
The bottom line is:
If VegasPro is as good as you say it is, it won't have any problems
competing with products like Steinberg's Nuendo, or Digidesign's Digi
001 with ProtoolsLE for Windows98.
INFORMATION DOESN'T HURT.
COMPETITION IS GOOD.
THE TRUTH IS OUT...


JohanAlthoff wrote on 6/5/2000, 8:11 PM
Hey, SEMPTE-Irvin. Your point is made. Now please, let's drop this
topic, OK?

irvin gomez wrote:
>>
>>
>>K.Shaffer wrote:
>>>>Irvin.
>>>>
>>>>I deleted your last message. This forum is not for advertisements.
>>>>Please don't do it again.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>
>>I can hear the grinding of the teeth...
>>Why is it that SonicFoundry doesn't want to deal with ANYTHING that
>>has to do with an INFORMED customer?
>>If your products are good, there's nothing to fear...
>>You don't feel it necessary to delete posts that mention other
>>software/hardware that doesn't compete with your products; but when
>>anyone mentions a GOOD product that WORKS AS ADVERTISED, you become
>>very insecure. Why?
>>What you call "advertisements" is nothing but an honest attempt at
>>SHOWING people ALL THE OPTIONS AT THEIR DISPOSAL (including the
>>products that your company makes).
>>After all, no one will go and buy anything just because I recommend
>>it. I'm not that important.
>>The bottom line is:
>>If VegasPro is as good as you say it is, it won't have any problems
>>competing with products like Steinberg's Nuendo, or Digidesign's
Digi
>>001 with ProtoolsLE for Windows98.
>>INFORMATION DOESN'T HURT.
>>COMPETITION IS GOOD.
>>THE TRUTH IS OUT...
>>
>>
>>
User-3156 wrote on 6/5/2000, 8:43 PM


Johan Althoff wrote:
>>Hey, SEMPTE-Irvin. Your point is made. Now please, let's drop this
>>topic, OK?
>>
>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>K.Shaffer wrote:
>>>>>>Irvin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I deleted your last message. This forum is not for
advertisements.
>>>>>>Please don't do it again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I can hear the grinding of the teeth...
>>>>Why is it that SonicFoundry doesn't want to deal with ANYTHING
that
>>>>has to do with an INFORMED customer?
>>>>If your products are good, there's nothing to fear...
>>>>You don't feel it necessary to delete posts that mention other
>>>>software/hardware that doesn't compete with your products; but
when
>>>>anyone mentions a GOOD product that WORKS AS ADVERTISED, you
become
>>>>very insecure. Why?
>>>>What you call "advertisements" is nothing but an honest attempt
at
>>>>SHOWING people ALL THE OPTIONS AT THEIR DISPOSAL (including the
>>>>products that your company makes).
>>>>After all, no one will go and buy anything just because I
recommend
>>>>it. I'm not that important.
>>>>The bottom line is:
>>>>If VegasPro is as good as you say it is, it won't have any
problems
>>>>competing with products like Steinberg's Nuendo, or Digidesign's
>>Digi
>>>>001 with ProtoolsLE for Windows98.
>>>>INFORMATION DOESN'T HURT.
>>>>COMPETITION IS GOOD.
>>>>THE TRUTH IS OUT...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>


Dear Joanne:

Brown-noseing won't get you anywhere. You still have to pay for your
upgrades...
pdq wrote on 6/5/2000, 11:03 PM
I laugh totally at you!!!!
Pity your stupidity.And your site is as weak as well.Talent?HMMMMMMM
At what.Been to the nuendo site son and the forum has two f$%^in
people in it.One is an imaginary ass^&** with a loud keyboard!!!
I just had to take a stab at you because your ignorance is bliss.
And do not reply to this if you know what is good for you!!!
We know which site it is you hang at!
FLAME's
P.s. cut the SH*T preacher man.


irvin gomez wrote:
>>
>>
>>Johan Althoff wrote:
>>>>Hey, SEMPTE-Irvin. Your point is made. Now please, let's drop
this
>>>>topic, OK?
>>>>
>>>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>K.Shaffer wrote:
>>>>>>>>Irvin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I deleted your last message. This forum is not for
>>advertisements.
>>>>>>>>Please don't do it again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can hear the grinding of the teeth...
>>>>>>Why is it that SonicFoundry doesn't want to deal with ANYTHING
>>that
>>>>>>has to do with an INFORMED customer?
>>>>>>If your products are good, there's nothing to fear...
>>>>>>You don't feel it necessary to delete posts that mention other
>>>>>>software/hardware that doesn't compete with your products; but
>>when
>>>>>>anyone mentions a GOOD product that WORKS AS ADVERTISED, you
>>become
>>>>>>very insecure. Why?
>>>>>>What you call "advertisements" is nothing but an honest attempt
>>at
>>>>>>SHOWING people ALL THE OPTIONS AT THEIR DISPOSAL (including the
>>>>>>products that your company makes).
>>>>>>After all, no one will go and buy anything just because I
>>recommend
>>>>>>it. I'm not that important.
>>>>>>The bottom line is:
>>>>>>If VegasPro is as good as you say it is, it won't have any
>>problems
>>>>>>competing with products like Steinberg's Nuendo, or
Digidesign's
>>>>Digi
>>>>>>001 with ProtoolsLE for Windows98.
>>>>>>INFORMATION DOESN'T HURT.
>>>>>>COMPETITION IS GOOD.
>>>>>>THE TRUTH IS OUT...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Joanne:
>>
>>Brown-noseing won't get you anywhere. You still have to pay for
your
>>upgrades...
>>
User-3156 wrote on 6/6/2000, 8:20 AM
Fred wrote:
>>I laugh totally at you!!!!
>>Pity your stupidity.And your site is as weak as well.Talent?HMMMMMMM
>>At what.Been to the nuendo site son and the forum has two f$%^in
>>people in it.One is an imaginary ass^&** with a loud keyboard!!!
>>I just had to take a stab at you because your ignorance is bliss.
>>And do not reply to this if you know what is good for you!!!
>>We know which site it is you hang at!
>>FLAME's
>>P.s. cut the SH*T preacher man.
>>
>>
>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Johan Althoff wrote:
>>>>>>Hey, SEMPTE-Irvin. Your point is made. Now please, let's drop
>>this
>>>>>>topic, OK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>K.Shaffer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Irvin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I deleted your last message. This forum is not for
>>>>advertisements.
>>>>>>>>>>Please don't do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can hear the grinding of the teeth...
>>>>>>>>Why is it that SonicFoundry doesn't want to deal with
ANYTHING
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>has to do with an INFORMED customer?
>>>>>>>>If your products are good, there's nothing to fear...
>>>>>>>>You don't feel it necessary to delete posts that mention
other
>>>>>>>>software/hardware that doesn't compete with your products;
but
>>>>when
>>>>>>>>anyone mentions a GOOD product that WORKS AS ADVERTISED, you
>>>>become
>>>>>>>>very insecure. Why?
>>>>>>>>What you call "advertisements" is nothing but an honest
attempt
>>>>at
>>>>>>>>SHOWING people ALL THE OPTIONS AT THEIR DISPOSAL (including
the
>>>>>>>>products that your company makes).
>>>>>>>>After all, no one will go and buy anything just because I
>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>it. I'm not that important.
>>>>>>>>The bottom line is:
>>>>>>>>If VegasPro is as good as you say it is, it won't have any
>>>>problems
>>>>>>>>competing with products like Steinberg's Nuendo, or
>>Digidesign's
>>>>>>Digi
>>>>>>>>001 with ProtoolsLE for Windows98.
>>>>>>>>INFORMATION DOESN'T HURT.
>>>>>>>>COMPETITION IS GOOD.
>>>>>>>>THE TRUTH IS OUT...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Joanne:
>>>>
>>>>Brown-noseing won't get you anywhere. You still have to pay for
>>your
>>>>upgrades...
>>>>


Dear Fred:

You don't owe me an explanation as to your reasons for "taking a
stab" at me. Your rage is the natural reaction of a person who knows
he has been taken advantage of, and has no recourse to rectify the
wrong. Unfortunately for you, Fred, software is not returnable.
This is all I can say: next time, INVESTIGATE before you spend
your hard earned money.

My heart goes out to you and your family.

PS: I have a spare AdatEdit card that is not needed any longer, since
my Nuendo/Digi9652 combo works beautifully; would you like to get it
for FREE?

Sincerely,

irvin
tad wrote on 6/6/2000, 2:37 PM
Why is everyone so hostile? We are all consumers with our very own
brain and capability for making decisions. The market will speak.
As far as Nuendo is concerned, I have not been able to download a
demo of the product, and since I have a predefined hostility towards
Steinberg (talk about a company with zero support), it is unlikely
that I will adopt this program over SF's products.

I am however, patiently waiting for Vegas Audio to even get mention
on SF's site. Where is it? Where's our Beta release?

Vegas Pro is a rocking program. It allows me to get things done
quickly and with great results. I have yet to see that the company
is committed to audio applications, and am also worried about the
upgrade options.

Is Vegas Audio going to be Vegas Video without the Video editing

-Tad



irvin gomez wrote:
>>
>>Fred wrote:
>>>>I laugh totally at you!!!!
>>>>Pity your stupidity.And your site is as weak as well.Talent?
HMMMMMMM
>>>>At what.Been to the nuendo site son and the forum has two f$%^in
>>>>people in it.One is an imaginary ass^&** with a loud keyboard!!!
>>>>I just had to take a stab at you because your ignorance is bliss.
>>>>And do not reply to this if you know what is good for you!!!
>>>>We know which site it is you hang at!
>>>>FLAME's
>>>>P.s. cut the SH*T preacher man.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Johan Althoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hey, SEMPTE-Irvin. Your point is made. Now please, let's drop
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>topic, OK?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>K.Shaffer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Irvin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I deleted your last message. This forum is not for
>>>>>>advertisements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Please don't do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I can hear the grinding of the teeth...
>>>>>>>>>>Why is it that SonicFoundry doesn't want to deal with
>>ANYTHING
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>has to do with an INFORMED customer?
>>>>>>>>>>If your products are good, there's nothing to fear...
>>>>>>>>>>You don't feel it necessary to delete posts that mention
>>other
>>>>>>>>>>software/hardware that doesn't compete with your products;
>>but
>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>>>anyone mentions a GOOD product that WORKS AS ADVERTISED,
you
>>>>>>become
>>>>>>>>>>very insecure. Why?
>>>>>>>>>>What you call "advertisements" is nothing but an honest
>>attempt
>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>SHOWING people ALL THE OPTIONS AT THEIR DISPOSAL (including
>>the
>>>>>>>>>>products that your company makes).
>>>>>>>>>>After all, no one will go and buy anything just because I
>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>>>it. I'm not that important.
>>>>>>>>>>The bottom line is:
>>>>>>>>>>If VegasPro is as good as you say it is, it won't have any
>>>>>>problems
>>>>>>>>>>competing with products like Steinberg's Nuendo, or
>>>>Digidesign's
>>>>>>>>Digi
>>>>>>>>>>001 with ProtoolsLE for Windows98.
>>>>>>>>>>INFORMATION DOESN'T HURT.
>>>>>>>>>>COMPETITION IS GOOD.
>>>>>>>>>>THE TRUTH IS OUT...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear Joanne:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brown-noseing won't get you anywhere. You still have to pay for
>>>>your
>>>>>>upgrades...
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Fred:
>>
>>You don't owe me an explanation as to your reasons for "taking a
>>stab" at me. Your rage is the natural reaction of a person who
knows
>>he has been taken advantage of, and has no recourse to rectify the
>>wrong. Unfortunately for you, Fred, software is not returnable.
>>This is all I can say: next time, INVESTIGATE before you spend
>>your hard earned money.
>>
>>My simpathy is with you.
>>
>>PS: I have a spare AdatEdit card that is not needed any longer,
since
>>my Nuendo/Digi9652 combo works beautifully; would you like to get
it
>>for FREE?
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>irvin
>>
FP wrote on 6/6/2000, 3:39 PM
Tad,

I wouldn't say everyone has been so hostile. Irvin has really enjoyed
his campaign to irritate people for whats going on weeks now. Some
people tried being nice to him in spite of his refusal to grow up,
others didn't. If you haven't noticed, this place has gotten quiet
lately. I think many people are waiting for this foolish "Nuendo
Rules n' Vegas Sux!" thing to blow over. Its really a shame to watch
public forums degrade this way.

All of your questions regarding Vegas Video vs. Audio have already
been answered either on this forum or on the site's FAQ. Check those
out. In short, Vegas Video will be everything in Vegas Audio plus
some extra Video features.

I agree that Audio should have had its own beta even though it is
Video minus a few features I wouldn't have used anyway. The
perception that Audio only users are somehow less important was all
but inevitable after that mistake. This too has already been adressed
in the forum, but I hope SF's marketing learned a lesson there.

looking forward to 2.0 and this forum becoming useful again!

Paul
CDM wrote on 6/6/2000, 4:10 PM
I think the main problem is that if Sonic Foundry had just made it
clearer that the Vegas Video Beta was going to be exactly the same as
Vegas Audio 2.0 (with just an expanded Video engine) and had
encouraged the audio people to download it and try it, there would
have never been such an outcry. I can understand why they didn't want
two betas flying around, since they are the same program and it would
have just been confusing separating the builds. I've been using Vegas
Video since it was first posted and I don't do any Video to speak of.
So, for me, I just feel like I've been able to use Vegas Audio 2.0
for a while now while many people are just sitting around complaining
that they don't know what's going on. It was just a simple
miscommunication (or lack thereof) on their part. But seriously,
let's stop using up all this space arguing about other products and
egging people on. This forum thrives when it's about serious users
asking serious questions and making constructive comments.

Let's move on and look forward to 2.0 and what feedback we might be
able to give to the SF team to make a great product even greater.

cdm

F. Paul Lembo III wrote:
>>Tad,
>>
>>I wouldn't say everyone has been so hostile. Irvin has really
enjoyed
>>his campaign to irritate people for whats going on weeks now. Some
>>people tried being nice to him in spite of his refusal to grow up,
>>others didn't. If you haven't noticed, this place has gotten quiet
>>lately. I think many people are waiting for this foolish "Nuendo
>>Rules n' Vegas Sux!" thing to blow over. Its really a shame to
watch
>>public forums degrade this way.
>>
>>All of your questions regarding Vegas Video vs. Audio have already
>>been answered either on this forum or on the site's FAQ. Check
those
>>out. In short, Vegas Video will be everything in Vegas Audio plus
>>some extra Video features.
>>
>>I agree that Audio should have had its own beta even though it is
>>Video minus a few features I wouldn't have used anyway. The
>>perception that Audio only users are somehow less important was all
>>but inevitable after that mistake. This too has already been
adressed
>>in the forum, but I hope SF's marketing learned a lesson there.
>>
>>looking forward to 2.0 and this forum becoming useful again!
>>
>>Paul
>>
User-3156 wrote on 6/6/2000, 4:46 PM
Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>I think the main problem is that if Sonic Foundry had just made it
>>clearer that the Vegas Video Beta was going to be exactly the same
as
>>Vegas Audio 2.0 (with just an expanded Video engine) and had
>>encouraged the audio people to download it and try it, there would
>>have never been such an outcry. I can understand why they didn't
want
>>two betas flying around, since they are the same program...


Charles de Montebellyo is absolutely right...
Sonic Foundry is trying to pass off the SAME program as TWO DIFFERENT
PROGRAMS!!!

Explanation needed.(Not for me, of course. I'm just an amused visitor.
Explanation needed for all the Lembos#3 of this world.)
What about returning some of the money?
What about a FREE upgrade?
What about a lower price?
What about taking from Peter* and giving to Paul**?

Please, do something for your loyal customers. They deserve it.


Sincerely,


irvin

*Halley
**lembo#3
darr wrote on 6/6/2000, 5:02 PM
I understand this to be two different builds.Vegas audio will not be
just an upgrade.It will actually replace vegas pro as whole.Like two
different engines .2.0 (which is vegas video without the extra vid
features)is better than 1.0b.Everyone should try the vegas video to
get your feet wet as far as the new build coming.I still wish they
would let you have more control over the cursor.Granted Irvin you
talk of other products,well I have used sawpro for years and find the
vegas refreshing to work with.I am like you as far as wanting the
best at all cost,but like other companies I have stood by,tech
support is everything to the company,and yes there is only two
companies that have this!IQS and Sonicfoundry!I have been on the tech
support side for two years now and trust me,the tech calls for other
products is amazing when it is not even your product!!hahaha
Just pick your company and stand by it's side through and through and
they will be with you all the way!!
All hail to good tech support!!I am still miffed at Frontier designs
for putting the screws to us $2000 customers who still have no NT
drivers for THEIR cards!!!That is a whole other forum.hahaha
Thanx for hearing me out all.
Friends?

irvin gomez wrote:
>>
>>
>>Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>>>I think the main problem is that if Sonic Foundry had just made
it
>>>>clearer that the Vegas Video Beta was going to be exactly the
same
>>as
>>>>Vegas Audio 2.0 (with just an expanded Video engine) and had
>>>>encouraged the audio people to download it and try it, there
would
>>>>have never been such an outcry. I can understand why they didn't
>>want
>>>>two betas flying around, since they are the same program...
>>
>>
>>You are absolutely right.
>>Sonic Foundry is trying to pass off the SAME program as TWO
DIFFERENT
>>PROGRAMS!!!
>>
>>Explanation needed.
User-3156 wrote on 6/6/2000, 6:45 PM


David W. Ruby wrote:
Granted Irvin you
>>talk of other products,well I have used sawpro for years and find
the
>>vegas refreshing to work with.I am like you as far as wanting the
>>best at all cost,but like other companies I have stood by,tech
>>support is everything to the company,and yes there is only two
>>companies that have this!IQS and Sonicfoundry!I have been on the
tech
>>support side for two years now and trust me,the tech calls for other
>>products is amazing when it is not even your product!!hahaha
>>Just pick your company and stand by it's side through and through
and
>>they will be with you all the way!!
>>All hail to good tech support!!I am still miffed at Frontier designs
>>for putting the screws to us $2000 customers who still have no NT
>>drivers for THEIR cards!!!That is a whole other forum.hahaha
>>Thanx for hearing me out all.
>>Friends?
>>


Always friends, David.

You make a VERY good point there. Most companies' tech support SUCKS.
Don't know about SonicFoundry, because only own AcidPro, and the
software is SO GOOD, even the manual is unnecessary.

Credit where credit is due...

irvin
JohanAlthoff wrote on 6/6/2000, 6:58 PM
Irvin. Please hear me out a little.

Your points concerning Vegas have all been made very clear. You
dislike SF's product policy, SF charges too much for too little, SF
customers are stupid people who don't know their own best. Please
stop me if I'm wrong somewhere.

Now, I could understand if you had topics of discussion to bring up
concerning Vegas functionality or design. It's all in the eye of the
beholder. And I agree that you have a right to express opinions even
though you don't own a registered copy of Vegas. It's what these
forums are all about.

But PLEASE, cut the insults and the snappy comebacks. I beg you.
Let's keep this at a moderately mature level. I don't mind friendly
little bites of sarcasm for the purpose of spicing up the posts, but
this discussion is rapidly decended down the personal vendetta drain.

Therefore I beg you, Irvin, calm down and try to focus your posts in
this forum to the topic of Vegas and it's features. I think you'll
find that most people on this board are soon to forget and forgive,
and in no time we'll all be back on track with what this board is all
about: Having the opportunity to directly discuss the future of a
product with the people making it.

Cheers!

Johan Althoff
Sound Designer
O3 Games AB
www.o3games.com
User-3156 wrote on 6/6/2000, 9:03 PM


Johan Althoff wrote:
>>Irvin. Please hear me out a little.
>>
>>Your points concerning Vegas have all been made very clear. You
>>dislike SF's product policy, SF charges too much for too little, SF
>>customers are stupid people who don't know their own best. Please
>>stop me if I'm wrong somewhere.
>>
>>Now, I could understand if you had topics of discussion to bring up
>>concerning Vegas functionality or design. It's all in the eye of the
>>beholder. And I agree that you have a right to express opinions even
>>though you don't own a registered copy of Vegas. It's what these
>>forums are all about.
>>
>>But PLEASE, cut the insults and the snappy comebacks. I beg you.
>>Let's keep this at a moderately mature level. I don't mind friendly
>>little bites of sarcasm for the purpose of spicing up the posts, but
>>this discussion is rapidly decended down the personal vendetta
drain.
>>
>>Therefore I beg you, Irvin, calm down and try to focus your posts in
>>this forum to the topic of Vegas and it's features. I think you'll
>>find that most people on this board are soon to forget and forgive,
>>and in no time we'll all be back on track with what this board is
all
>>about: Having the opportunity to directly discuss the future of a
>>product with the people making it.
>>
>>Cheers!
>>
>>Johan Althoff
>>Sound Designer
>>O3 Games AB
>>www.o3games.com


Johan:

Don't understand several things about your message:

1. Insults? Check ALL my posts and the replies to them. I'm not the
one cursing, using personal insults, etc. If anything, I have stayed
above the gutter, for the simple reason that all the cursing and
insulting doesn't really offend me. I find it mostly amusing in its
naivete.
But I want to thank you for deeming my combacks "snappy". Hope you
enjoyed some of them as much as I did.

2. Bunch of stupid people? Once again, show me where I have called
anyone "stupid"...? Where do you get the idea that I consider you
"stupid'? My posts express my feelings about certain topics, but
nothing else. I don't find pleasure in cursing or defaming anyone.
Show me ANY POST where I described myself as a "pro"...(even though I
must confess to paying the bills from my work in the studio).

3. I DON'T DISLIKE Sonicfoundry. I have no reason. Once again, check
ALL my posts and you will see that I am a HAPPY, LEGAL user of
AcidPro, and I have PRAISED the product.
On the other hand, I think Vegas Pro is an OVERPRICED product that
shows a LOT OF PROMISE and was probably released a little early;
Whether we admit it or not, Vegas should be (it certainly IS) an ACID
PRO upgrade. But it wouldn't make SonicFoundry as much money.
Can you explain the poor guy that paid $600 for VegasPro? Why should
SonicFoundry do this? What about having a similar price for everyone?
If anything, the "direct" price should be lower...

4. I DO HAVE valid points of discussion regarding VegasPro. But they
were never addressed in a meaningful manner.
Example? Puch-in/out on the fly. Let's say you are recording vocals on
a song. How "professional" is it for a multitracker to not allow you
to punch-in just one syllable, instead of having to do the whole take
again? Are there solutions in Vegas for this? Sure. Are they
"professional" (as in "intuitive", "standard", "direct")?
Professional is this: You hit play, tape rolls, you punch-in and
monitoring switches to input, punch-out and monitoring switches back
to tape (or "disk" in this case), seamlessly and WITHOUT STOPPING
PLAYBACK. Isn't this the way it is supposed to be? This is A SIMPLE,
BASIC RECORDING PROCEDURE that you would expect in a multitracker
with the SELF-IMPOSED "Pro" label...
We could write a whole book on these issues, but that's not the object
of this post.

5.Forget and forgive?
I don't have anyone to forgive, because the majority of replies were
mostly forgettable. And no one needs to forgive me. It is just not
necessary.


Finally, I'll translate what I wrote to the guy with the post in
spanish:

My loyalty is never, and will never be, with any particular software
maker. My loyalty is with my fellow musician; the one taking a second
job in order to save enough money to buy that little piece of gear or
software that will bring him a step closer to his dream...


sincerely,


irvin
ThomasATL wrote on 6/6/2000, 10:13 PM
I have never seen Vegas in a store for more than $430. It is now at
$400. Isn't Nuendo at least $1000 list? Which would put it at around
$850 or so. Double, at least.

So far I'm okay with the first release of Vegas (I don't do this for
a living, I just make music at home) But my whole album will be
tracked completely on Vegas. I like it.

Cubase 5 will be a $150 upgrade to VST 24 users. It looks worth it to
me if you use that program. If SF has that much of an upgrade (I
haven't checked), then that would be worth it.

In my opinion, both companies are doing extremely well. I've had my
questions about SF's direction. But then I remembered that I don't
own SF and my energy might be served better towards my album.

"But I want to thank you for deeming my combacks "snappy". Hope you
enjoyed some of them as much as I did."

A little humilty, Irvin. Agression does not equal good writing.


irvin gomez wrote:
>>
>>
>>Johan Althoff wrote:
>>>>Irvin. Please hear me out a little.
>>>>
>>>>Your points concerning Vegas have all been made very clear. You
>>>>dislike SF's product policy, SF charges too much for too little,
SF
>>>>customers are stupid people who don't know their own best. Please
>>>>stop me if I'm wrong somewhere.
>>>>
>>>>Now, I could understand if you had topics of discussion to bring
up
>>>>concerning Vegas functionality or design. It's all in the eye of
the
>>>>beholder. And I agree that you have a right to express opinions
even
>>>>though you don't own a registered copy of Vegas. It's what these
>>>>forums are all about.
>>>>
>>>>But PLEASE, cut the insults and the snappy comebacks. I beg you.
>>>>Let's keep this at a moderately mature level. I don't mind
friendly
>>>>little bites of sarcasm for the purpose of spicing up the posts,
but
>>>>this discussion is rapidly decended down the personal vendetta
>>drain.
>>>>
>>>>Therefore I beg you, Irvin, calm down and try to focus your posts
in
>>>>this forum to the topic of Vegas and it's features. I think
you'll
>>>>find that most people on this board are soon to forget and
forgive,
>>>>and in no time we'll all be back on track with what this board is
>>all
>>>>about: Having the opportunity to directly discuss the future of a
>>>>product with the people making it.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers!
>>>>
>>>>Johan Althoff
>>>>Sound Designer
>>>>O3 Games AB
>>>>www.o3games.com
>>
>>
>>Johan:
>>
>>Don't understand several things about your message:
>>
>>1. Insults? Check ALL my posts and the replies to them. I'm not the
>>one cursing, using personal insults, etc. If anything, I have
stayed
>>above the gutter, for the simple reason that all the cursing and
>>insulting doesn't really offend me. I find it mostly amusing in its
>>naivete.
>>But I want to thank you for deeming my combacks "snappy". Hope you
>>enjoyed some of them as much as I did.
>>
>>2. Bunch of stupid people? Once again, show me where I have called
>>anyone "stupid"...? Where do you get the idea that I consider you
>>"stupid'? My posts express my feelings about certain topics, but
>>nothing else. I don't find pleasure in cursing or defaming anyone.
>>Show me ANY POST where I described myself as a "pro"...(even though
I
>>must confess to paying the bills from my work in the studio).
>>
>>3. I DON'T DISLIKE Sonicfoundry. I have no reason. Once again,
check
>>ALL my posts and you will see that I am a HAPPY, LEGAL user of
>>AcidPro, and I have PRAISED the product.
>>On the other hand, I think Vegas Pro is an OVERPRICED product that
>>shows a LOT OF PROMISE and was probably released a little early;
>>Whether we admit it or not, Vegas should be (it certainly IS) an
ACID
>>PRO upgrade. But it wouldn't make SonicFoundry as much money.
>>Can you explain the poor guy that paid $600 for VegasPro? Why
should
>>SonicFoundry do this? What about having a similar price for
everyone?
>>If anything, the "direct" price should be lower...
>>
>>4. I DO HAVE valid points of discussion regarding VegasPro. But
they
>>were never addressed in a meaningful manner.
>>Example? Puch-in/out on the fly. Let's say you are recording vocals
on
>>a song. How "professional" is it for a multitracker to not allow
you
>>to punch-in just one syllable, instead of having to do the whole
take
>>again? Are there solutions in Vegas for this? Sure. Are they
>>"professional" (as in "intuitive", "standard", "direct")?
>>Professional is this: You hit play, tape rolls, you punch-in and
>>monitoring switches to input, punch-out and monitoring switches
back
>>to tape (or "disk" in this case), seamlessly and WITHOUT STOPPING
>>PLAYBACK. Isn't this the way it is supposed to be? This is A
SIMPLE,
>>BASIC RECORDING PROCEDURE that you would expect in a multitracker
>>with the SELF-IMPOSED "Pro" label...
>>We could write a whole book on these issues, but that's not the
object
>>of this post.
>>
>>5.Forget and forgive?
>>I don't have anyone to forgive, because the majority of replies
were
>>mostly forgettable. And no one needs to forgive me. It is just not
>>necessary.
>>
>>
>>Finally, I'll translate what I wrote to the guy with the post in
>>spanish:
>>
>>My loyalty is never, and will never be, with any particular
software
>>maker. My loyalty is with my fellow musician; the one taking a
second
>>job in order to save enough money to buy that little piece of gear
or
>>software that will bring him a step closer to his dream...
>>
>>
>>sincerely,
>>
>>
>>irvin
>>
User-3156 wrote on 6/6/2000, 11:05 PM


Thomas Kay wrote:
>>I have never seen Vegas in a store for more than $430. It is now at
>>$400. Isn't Nuendo at least $1000 list? Which would put it at
around
>>$850 or so. Double, at least.
>>
>>So far I'm okay with the first release of Vegas (I don't do this
for
>>a living, I just make music at home) But my whole album will be
>>tracked completely on Vegas. I like it.
>>
>>Cubase 5 will be a $150 upgrade to VST 24 users. It looks worth it
to
>>me if you use that program. If SF has that much of an upgrade (I
>>haven't checked), then that would be worth it.
>>
>>In my opinion, both companies are doing extremely well. I've had my
>>questions about SF's direction. But then I remembered that I don't
>>own SF and my energy might be served better towards my album.
>>
>>"But I want to thank you for deeming my combacks "snappy". Hope you
>>enjoyed some of them as much as I did."
>>
>>A little humilty, Irvin. Agression does not equal good writing.
>>
>>
>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Johan Althoff wrote:
>>>>>>Irvin. Please hear me out a little.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your points concerning Vegas have all been made very clear. You
>>>>>>dislike SF's product policy, SF charges too much for too
little,
>>SF
>>>>>>customers are stupid people who don't know their own best.
Please
>>>>>>stop me if I'm wrong somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, I could understand if you had topics of discussion to
bring
>>up
>>>>>>concerning Vegas functionality or design. It's all in the eye
of
>>the
>>>>>>beholder. And I agree that you have a right to express opinions
>>even
>>>>>>though you don't own a registered copy of Vegas. It's what
these
>>>>>>forums are all about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But PLEASE, cut the insults and the snappy comebacks. I beg
you.
>>>>>>Let's keep this at a moderately mature level. I don't mind
>>friendly
>>>>>>little bites of sarcasm for the purpose of spicing up the
posts,
>>but
>>>>>>this discussion is rapidly decended down the personal vendetta
>>>>drain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Therefore I beg you, Irvin, calm down and try to focus your
posts
>>in
>>>>>>this forum to the topic of Vegas and it's features. I think
>>you'll
>>>>>>find that most people on this board are soon to forget and
>>forgive,
>>>>>>and in no time we'll all be back on track with what this board
is
>>>>all
>>>>>>about: Having the opportunity to directly discuss the future of
a
>>>>>>product with the people making it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Johan Althoff
>>>>>>Sound Designer
>>>>>>O3 Games AB
>>>>>>www.o3games.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Johan:
>>>>
>>>>Don't understand several things about your message:
>>>>
>>>>1. Insults? Check ALL my posts and the replies to them. I'm not
the
>>>>one cursing, using personal insults, etc. If anything, I have
>>stayed
>>>>above the gutter, for the simple reason that all the cursing and
>>>>insulting doesn't really offend me. I find it mostly amusing in
its
>>>>naivete.
>>>>But I want to thank you for deeming my combacks "snappy". Hope
you
>>>>enjoyed some of them as much as I did.
>>>>
>>>>2. Bunch of stupid people? Once again, show me where I have
called
>>>>anyone "stupid"...? Where do you get the idea that I consider you
>>>>"stupid'? My posts express my feelings about certain topics, but
>>>>nothing else. I don't find pleasure in cursing or defaming anyone.
>>>>Show me ANY POST where I described myself as a "pro"...(even
though
>>I
>>>>must confess to paying the bills from my work in the studio).
>>>>
>>>>3. I DON'T DISLIKE Sonicfoundry. I have no reason. Once again,
>>check
>>>>ALL my posts and you will see that I am a HAPPY, LEGAL user of
>>>>AcidPro, and I have PRAISED the product.
>>>>On the other hand, I think Vegas Pro is an OVERPRICED product
that
>>>>shows a LOT OF PROMISE and was probably released a little early;
>>>>Whether we admit it or not, Vegas should be (it certainly IS) an
>>ACID
>>>>PRO upgrade. But it wouldn't make SonicFoundry as much money.
>>>>Can you explain the poor guy that paid $600 for VegasPro? Why
>>should
>>>>SonicFoundry do this? What about having a similar price for
>>everyone?
>>>>If anything, the "direct" price should be lower...
>>>>
>>>>4. I DO HAVE valid points of discussion regarding VegasPro. But
>>they
>>>>were never addressed in a meaningful manner.
>>>>Example? Puch-in/out on the fly. Let's say you are recording
vocals
>>on
>>>>a song. How "professional" is it for a multitracker to not allow
>>you
>>>>to punch-in just one syllable, instead of having to do the whole
>>take
>>>>again? Are there solutions in Vegas for this? Sure. Are they
>>>>"professional" (as in "intuitive", "standard", "direct")?
>>>>Professional is this: You hit play, tape rolls, you punch-in and
>>>>monitoring switches to input, punch-out and monitoring switches
>>back
>>>>to tape (or "disk" in this case), seamlessly and WITHOUT STOPPING
>>>>PLAYBACK. Isn't this the way it is supposed to be? This is A
>>SIMPLE,
>>>>BASIC RECORDING PROCEDURE that you would expect in a multitracker
>>>>with the SELF-IMPOSED "Pro" label...
>>>>We could write a whole book on these issues, but that's not the
>>object
>>>>of this post.
>>>>
>>>>5.Forget and forgive?
>>>>I don't have anyone to forgive, because the majority of replies
>>were
>>>>mostly forgettable. And no one needs to forgive me. It is just
not
>>>>necessary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Finally, I'll translate what I wrote to the guy with the post in
>>>>spanish:
>>>>
>>>>My loyalty is never, and will never be, with any particular
>>software
>>>>maker. My loyalty is with my fellow musician; the one taking a
>>second
>>>>job in order to save enough money to buy that little piece of
gear
>>or
>>>>software that will bring him a step closer to his dream...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>sincerely,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>irvin
>>>>


Dear Thomas:

A few corrections:

1. Nuendo is closer to $1000.00 retail (list is $1200+)
2. A man that (and this is YOUR OWN ADMISSION) thinks he owns a big
company like SonicFoundry, even for a second, deserves to be
comdemned to record his own album at home without the possibility of
parole or profit!!!
3. I never claimed to be a "good writer". I'm not a writer, let alone
a good one. But this doesn't preclude me (and a few others like
Johan) from enjoying SOME of my "snappy" comebacks. Relax and join
the circle, Tom.
4. The $600.00 price is just a couple of clicks away at
www.sonicfoundry.com (check post#2068 for an actual victim).

Enjoy.

irvin
ThomasATL wrote on 6/7/2000, 12:26 AM
So, wouldn't you agree that comparing Vegas to Nuendo would be apples
to oranges, considering the price? I can't find it, but I don't
believe SF even claims to be such a recording product that would
punch on the fly- not that it wouldn't be nice. Maybe it's that SF
has never really specified anything beyond multimedia.

"A man that (and this is YOUR OWN ADMISSION) thinks he owns a big
company like SonicFoundry"

What I believe I wrote was that I did not own SF. What I meant was
that my emotion is wasted on something that I have very little input
into.

"The $600.00 price is just a couple of clicks away at
www.sonicfoundry.com "

Again, it's $400. $100 if you buy the Delta 66 and $50 along with the
1010. Both good deals.

And by recording at home, I mean that- as far as the recording
process is concered, I'm fine with it. I can't punch myself in on the
fly and I like to set it up anyway so I can pay attention to the song
instead of the punch in. Same goes when I have recorded others. I
would rather be focusing on the performance.

So, like it or not, many people feel like they are getting their
moneys worth. Maybe not the guy who paid $600.


irvin gomez wrote:
>>
>>
>>Thomas Kay wrote:
>>>>I have never seen Vegas in a store for more than $430. It is now
at
>>>>$400. Isn't Nuendo at least $1000 list? Which would put it at
>>around
>>>>$850 or so. Double, at least.
>>>>
>>>>So far I'm okay with the first release of Vegas (I don't do this
>>for
>>>>a living, I just make music at home) But my whole album will be
>>>>tracked completely on Vegas. I like it.
>>>>
>>>>Cubase 5 will be a $150 upgrade to VST 24 users. It looks worth
it
>>to
>>>>me if you use that program. If SF has that much of an upgrade (I
>>>>haven't checked), then that would be worth it.
>>>>
>>>>In my opinion, both companies are doing extremely well. I've had
my
>>>>questions about SF's direction. But then I remembered that I
don't
>>>>own SF and my energy might be served better towards my album.
>>>>
>>>>"But I want to thank you for deeming my combacks "snappy". Hope
you
>>>>enjoyed some of them as much as I did."
>>>>
>>>>A little humilty, Irvin. Agression does not equal good writing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Johan Althoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>Irvin. Please hear me out a little.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Your points concerning Vegas have all been made very clear.
You
>>>>>>>>dislike SF's product policy, SF charges too much for too
>>little,
>>>>SF
>>>>>>>>customers are stupid people who don't know their own best.
>>Please
>>>>>>>>stop me if I'm wrong somewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now, I could understand if you had topics of discussion to
>>bring
>>>>up
>>>>>>>>concerning Vegas functionality or design. It's all in the eye
>>of
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>beholder. And I agree that you have a right to express
opinions
>>>>even
>>>>>>>>though you don't own a registered copy of Vegas. It's what
>>these
>>>>>>>>forums are all about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But PLEASE, cut the insults and the snappy comebacks. I beg
>>you.
>>>>>>>>Let's keep this at a moderately mature level. I don't mind
>>>>friendly
>>>>>>>>little bites of sarcasm for the purpose of spicing up the
>>posts,
>>>>but
>>>>>>>>this discussion is rapidly decended down the personal
vendetta
>>>>>>drain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Therefore I beg you, Irvin, calm down and try to focus your
>>posts
>>>>in
>>>>>>>>this forum to the topic of Vegas and it's features. I think
>>>>you'll
>>>>>>>>find that most people on this board are soon to forget and
>>>>forgive,
>>>>>>>>and in no time we'll all be back on track with what this
board
>>is
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>about: Having the opportunity to directly discuss the future
of
>>a
>>>>>>>>product with the people making it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Johan Althoff
>>>>>>>>Sound Designer
>>>>>>>>O3 Games AB
>>>>>>>>www.o3games.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Johan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't understand several things about your message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Insults? Check ALL my posts and the replies to them. I'm not
>>the
>>>>>>one cursing, using personal insults, etc. If anything, I have
>>>>stayed
>>>>>>above the gutter, for the simple reason that all the cursing
and
>>>>>>insulting doesn't really offend me. I find it mostly amusing in
>>its
>>>>>>naivete.
>>>>>>But I want to thank you for deeming my combacks "snappy". Hope
>>you
>>>>>>enjoyed some of them as much as I did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2. Bunch of stupid people? Once again, show me where I have
>>called
>>>>>>anyone "stupid"...? Where do you get the idea that I consider
you
>>>>>>"stupid'? My posts express my feelings about certain topics,
but
>>>>>>nothing else. I don't find pleasure in cursing or defaming
anyone.
>>>>>>Show me ANY POST where I described myself as a "pro"...(even
>>though
>>>>I
>>>>>>must confess to paying the bills from my work in the studio).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>3. I DON'T DISLIKE Sonicfoundry. I have no reason. Once again,
>>>>check
>>>>>>ALL my posts and you will see that I am a HAPPY, LEGAL user of
>>>>>>AcidPro, and I have PRAISED the product.
>>>>>>On the other hand, I think Vegas Pro is an OVERPRICED product
>>that
>>>>>>shows a LOT OF PROMISE and was probably released a little
early;
>>>>>>Whether we admit it or not, Vegas should be (it certainly IS)
an
>>>>ACID
>>>>>>PRO upgrade. But it wouldn't make SonicFoundry as much money.
>>>>>>Can you explain the poor guy that paid $600 for VegasPro? Why
>>>>should
>>>>>>SonicFoundry do this? What about having a similar price for
>>>>everyone?
>>>>>>If anything, the "direct" price should be lower...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>4. I DO HAVE valid points of discussion regarding VegasPro. But
>>>>they
>>>>>>were never addressed in a meaningful manner.
>>>>>>Example? Puch-in/out on the fly. Let's say you are recording
>>vocals
>>>>on
>>>>>>a song. How "professional" is it for a multitracker to not
allow
>>>>you
>>>>>>to punch-in just one syllable, instead of having to do the
whole
>>>>take
>>>>>>again? Are there solutions in Vegas for this? Sure. Are they
>>>>>>"professional" (as in "intuitive", "standard", "direct")?
>>>>>>Professional is this: You hit play, tape rolls, you punch-in
and
>>>>>>monitoring switches to input, punch-out and monitoring switches
>>>>back
>>>>>>to tape (or "disk" in this case), seamlessly and WITHOUT
STOPPING
>>>>>>PLAYBACK. Isn't this the way it is supposed to be? This is A
>>>>SIMPLE,
>>>>>>BASIC RECORDING PROCEDURE that you would expect in a
multitracker
>>>>>>with the SELF-IMPOSED "Pro" label...
>>>>>>We could write a whole book on these issues, but that's not the
>>>>object
>>>>>>of this post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>5.Forget and forgive?
>>>>>>I don't have anyone to forgive, because the majority of replies
>>>>were
>>>>>>mostly forgettable. And no one needs to forgive me. It is just
>>not
>>>>>>necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Finally, I'll translate what I wrote to the guy with the post
in
>>>>>>spanish:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My loyalty is never, and will never be, with any particular
>>>>software
>>>>>>maker. My loyalty is with my fellow musician; the one taking a
>>>>second
>>>>>>job in order to save enough money to buy that little piece of
>>gear
>>>>or
>>>>>>software that will bring him a step closer to his dream...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>irvin
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Thomas:
>>
>>A few corrections:
>>
>>1. Nuendo is closer to $1000.00 retail (list is $1200+)
>>2. A man that (and this is YOUR OWN ADMISSION) thinks he owns a big
>>company like SonicFoundry, even for a second, deserves to be
>>comdemned to record his own album at home without the possibility
of
>>parole or profit!!!
>>3. I n
JohanAlthoff wrote on 6/7/2000, 4:10 AM
"Can you explain the poor guy that paid $600 for VegasPro? Why
should SonicFoundry do this? What about having a similar price for
everyone? If anything, the "direct" price should be lower..." - Irvin

There is a very valid point for this. If Vegas cost $400 in the store
and $300 at SF, there's no point in having it in the stores at all.
The price here at SF's website is the Recommended Retail Price, not
the price retailers pay to SF.

I bought my copy directly from SF's website since I needed Vegas
fast, and couldn't get it in the music stores where I lived. I don't
consider the extra $50 I payed (yes, Vegas was $550 in Sweden for a
while) a very huge lump of money.
User-3156 wrote on 6/7/2000, 8:17 AM


Johan Althoff wrote:
>>"Can you explain the poor guy that paid $600 for VegasPro? Why
>>should SonicFoundry do this? What about having a similar price for
>>everyone? If anything, the "direct" price should be lower..." -
Irvin
>>
>>There is a very valid point for this. If Vegas cost $400 in the
store
>>and $300 at SF, there's no point in having it in the stores at all.
>>The price here at SF's website is the Recommended Retail Price, not
>>the price retailers pay to SF.
>>
>>I bought my copy directly from SF's website since I needed Vegas
>>fast, and couldn't get it in the music stores where I lived. I
don't
>>consider the extra $50 I payed (yes, Vegas was $550 in Sweden for a
>>while) a very huge lump of money.


Johan:

Are you sure yours is a valid point? If anything, store prices should
be higher. Remember the added expenses of a retail outlet:
Rent
Administration
Storage
Advertising
Taxes
and a few more...

What about having the SAME price?
I don't know about your country, but here in the USA you can get
Vegas for $399 at ANY store. $200.00 is a LOT of money (the extra
money paid by Post#2068).
There are guys bringing home $175.00/week after taxes, as we speak.
So, even though some of us are LUCKY enough to be in a position where
a $200 mistake is not the end of the world, there are others LESS
FORTUNATE for whom $200.00 is a HUGE difference.
There's no justification for this, other than PURE GREED.

Fairness and DECENCY still have a place in business...and in the
heart.

sincerely,

irvin


PS: Have you noticed how a valid point (punch-in/out) is CONVENIENTLY
overlooked?
FxPx wrote on 6/7/2000, 9:38 AM
Irvin,

You are completely wrong on this issue.

Many companies charge more 'direct' becuase they have agreements with
retailers to not undercut them on price. Why make such an agreement?

Even in the Internet era shelf space at stores is considered VERY
valuable to companies that make software.

try a little more humility next time.


fp