Subject:melodyne vs antares

Posted by: mista k

Date:9/3/2008 7:37:56 PM

Gonna get one of these-
I know there are issues with one of them and AP6.
Anyone have any tidbits for me?
Thnx

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:9/3/2008 10:24:58 PM

The melodyne stuff looks like the more "well rounded" of the bunch in terms of features/quality. If I had the extra cash to spare that would be my next purchase. Right now I just saved up for the upgrade from reason 3 to 4. If/when my band gets a singer I'll be definitely be putting hits on people to get it.

Ed.

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: feign

Date:9/4/2008 6:32:50 AM

If you're talking about the Melodyne plugin, I recall reading a few reports that it doesn't work in Acid Pro. I just checked, and even the Celemony official support forum contains a thread about this issue, with the Celemony people actually asking their users what to do as a workaround.

So my question is, does Antares work in Acid Pro 6?

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:9/4/2008 9:14:06 AM

Sound-On-Sound did a head-to-head article on Auto-Tune vs Melodyne back in March 2007. They concluded that both are excellent but Melodyne had more creative possibilities. IMHO, once Direct Note Access is available there will be no competition.

I have Melodyne Uno and I am continually amazed at what it can do. It's dead simple to use (very musical). The manual is well written. You can change formiants if you have to push the pitch too much so that it sounds more natural. You can add/remove vibrato (usually remove from a nervous singer). You actually see the notes and can stretch them and move them and do anything you want to them like they were MIDI notes. It's insane!

Having said all this, I do not have the plug-in version so I can't comment on how well it works with ACID. I was disappointing that the plug-in was so expensive even for existing Uno customers and saw absolutely no incentive to upgrade. The version I have is the rewire version but I never use it in rewire mode. I have one of my right-click "Edit in..." options in ACID set to Melodyne Uno.

~jr

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: Cheye

Date:9/5/2008 4:30:39 PM

To help people out who want to know what 3rd party plugs work well with Acid Pro 6d before they make expensive purchases, please list them below. I wish I had seen a list before I bought Amplitube 2. Here is a list of plugs below that work well with Acid...

cheye

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: mista k

Date:9/22/2008 8:11:08 AM

so does anyone here have either program with acid pro 6? if so - no issues?

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: mista k

Date:9/22/2008 8:15:23 AM

holy Snap!
i just saw something about direct note access -
WOW is all i can say!

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:9/22/2008 2:42:08 PM

I also use Melodyne Uno. It is not a plug-in.

As to Amplitude 2, I think you should start a frest thread.

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: feign

Date:9/22/2008 6:17:37 PM

If you read through the Celemony website, you'll see that they are almost happy to report that they've never tested their plugin with Acid Pro. Bizarre attitude, I think. And you'll further read that DNA will, for now, work only with their plugin, and not be implemented in Uno or any of their standalone apps until later. Which means that users of Acid will not be able to take advantage of DNA. I think Direct Note Access, if it lives up to the hype, will be an enormous hit. Imagine the creative possibilities of combining Acid's features with the ability to extract individual notes and manipulate chords! And if Acid users can't use it, it will accelerate the migration away from Acid.

Therefore, if Peter is reading this thread, may I humbly suggest that if Celemony won't test their plugin with Acid, that the Acid developers make sure to do so, and make sure it works, if any when they ever release AP7.

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:9/22/2008 8:44:56 PM

There is a free trial download for melodyne - why not try it in AP and report back?

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: feign

Date:9/23/2008 10:15:25 PM

I did, a couple weeks ago. The plugin interface shows up, but the track doesn't load into it, so the controls do nothing. Yes, I followed all instructions. It just doesn't work. On the Celemony web forum, people report Acid either crashing or freezing when using the Melodyne plugin. Mine didn't freeze or crash, the plugin just didn't work. One forum poster suggested some awkward workarounds, and the Celemony people said thankyou for that, but still refuse to even test the plugin with Acid.

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:9/24/2008 2:05:43 PM

> Celemony people said thankyou for that, but still refuse to even test the plugin with Acid.

I tried to get on their beta test team when I was out at the NAMM show and I told them I would test ACID, that I wrote a book on ACID, etc. and filled out the necessary forms but I never heard back from them. :(

I guess they are truly not interested. It's a shame because being able to take a bass or guitar loop that's almost playing the riff you want but not quite (isn't that always the way) and being able to change the notes to what you need, would be a powerful addition to ACID.

~jr

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: mista k

Date:10/2/2008 8:00:21 AM

wow - this is scary - they don't even bother looking in acid's direction - damn!
this new product is gonna be bananas - i really hope sony tests with their products

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: feign

Date:10/9/2008 6:35:52 PM

This is a question for JohnnyRoy or DKeenum. In desperation I tried again to use the Melodyne plugin in AP6, and it crashed all over the place and wouldn't even restart until I totally wiped the Melodyne plugin from my system. So now I downloaded a trial version of Melodyne Studio. It's great...but... You mention using Uno (basically a less feature-filled version of Studio) in Acid through Rewire or Melodyne Bridge. I can't seem to get that to work. I've scoured the manuals and strained my limited brain to figure out how to access Melodyne Studio from within Acid, and nothing happens. All I get is the Bridge window opening and "waiting to connect".

Can you offer me some advice about how you make this work? If you can help me, I'll be $700 poorer in this time of economic uncertainty, but at least using a voice correction plugin that works.

Subject:RE: melodyne vs antares

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:10/10/2008 11:54:01 AM

I configured Melodyne Uno to be one of the three audio editors that ACID allows. So I right-click and "Open in Melodyne Uno" and work with Melodyne as a standalone application. The good news is that when I'm done editing, ACID will refresh the file. That's about as good as it gets.

~jr

Subject:More Melodyne-Acid bugs?

Reply by: feign

Date:10/11/2008 5:55:41 AM

Johnny Roy, I tried your advice and not one, but two odd behaviors resulted.

I use Adobe Audition as my primary external editing app. Never had a problem using it. I added Melodyne Studio as my second one. Shows up on the right-click list. But When I select "Edit in Melodyne", it opens Audition instead. If I switch the order and put Melodyne as App 1 and Audition as App 2, STILL only Audition opens. Whether I click on Audition or Melodyne, in both cases Audition opens.

If I delete Audition as an external editor, then Melodyne Studio opens, and gives me the error message: "Can't access M-Audio ASIO driver." However, if I open Melodyne separately, without accessing it through Acid, it opens properly and I can load WAV files into it. No error messages.

This is all getting too bizarre to me. I wonder whether the first problem I mentioned is a bug, which needs to come to Sony's attention before they release AP7?

Subject:RE: More Melodyne-Acid bugs?

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:10/11/2008 7:17:59 AM

I have the same problem with ASIO drivers. I have Melodyne Uno use the default Microsoft drivers when I use it in ACID or Vegas. I'll have to check out the launching from ACID because I thought it use to work (I'm on my laptop right now and have to wait until I get to my desktop to test). I use Uno mostly with Vegas which doesn't have any option for an alternate editor so I open a copy in Sound Forge and then edit the copy with Uno instead manually. All these workarounds stink IMHO but it's all we got.

~jr

Subject:RE: More Melodyne-Acid bugs?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:10/11/2008 8:35:11 AM

We are in contact with Celemony and are working with them to resolve all issues with thier products and ours.

Stay tuned....

Thanks
Peter

Subject:RE: More Melodyne-Acid bugs?

Reply by: rjshama

Date:10/11/2008 10:07:19 AM

That is totally excellent news! Melodyne with DNA and ACID is going to be a killer combo. SWEET!!

Subject:RE: More Melodyne-Acid bugs?

Reply by: feign

Date:10/11/2008 7:05:20 PM

Peter,

That's just as good news as the coming release of Acid Pro 7. The new, improved Acid with Melodyne compatibility will be one enormous killer app.

Subject:RE: More Melodyne-Acid bugs?

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:10/13/2008 4:46:31 AM

> I'm on my laptop right now and have to wait until I get to my desktop to test

Just tested this on my desktop and Melodyne Uno opens fine for me with Sound Forge 9 as my first selection and Melodyne Uno as my second. Not sure why it's not working for you. In this mode it asks me if it should behave as a ReWire device and I reply NO and it uses the ASIO drivers correctly. So it's only Vegas that I have the ASIO problem.

~jr

Subject:RE: More Melodyne-Acid bugs?

Reply by: mista k

Date:10/14/2008 9:42:42 PM

just got back on the board today after about a week or two and I come back to loads of good news!
celemony & pro 7!

Subject:Melodyne and AP7

Reply by: feign

Date:10/28/2008 10:52:12 PM

Peter from Sony said:
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We are in contact with Celemony and are working with them to resolve all issues with thier products and ours.

Stay tuned....
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So, Peter, any news on this?

...oops. Just saw your answer in another post. Sorry for the duplicate question.