Subject:AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Posted by: ohmaya

Date:8/8/2008 5:26:43 PM

I have had an ongoing problem with AP6 and AP6d and my audio interface's ASIO driver.

When I first upgraded to AP6 from AP5, AP6 would not see the ASIO driver for my Steinberg MI4 audio/MIDI interface. It had always been seen in AP5 with no problems.I posted the problem here nd Peter (love him) was sweet and sent my an update to AP6's sfasio.dll file that allowed AP6 to finally see my MI4's ASIO driver. I went back to work happy, happy, happy!...

...until last week when I purchased a new Vista machine. I installed AP6 under Vista and once again, AP6 and AP6d will not see my Steinberg MI4's ASIO driver. I installed AP5 on the Vista machine, and once again, AP5 sees the MI4's ASIO driver fine, just as it did on the XP SP 2 machine.

I even tried duplicating the previous fix, replacing AP6's sfasio.dll file with the rewritten one Peter had sent me and it it will still not see my MI4's ASIO driver.

Am I totally out of luck in AP6 again until AP7 comes out? Or is there some way to get another sfasio.dll file or do anything else that will help AP6 see the MI4's ASIO driver in Vista?

PLEASE HELP!!
Thanks,
Flo

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: ohmaya

Date:8/11/2008 11:00:10 PM

Come on...I have a program I paid for and can't use...cant someone tell me how to get AP6 to see my hardware in Vista? Anyone from SONY tech support ever come in here any more? I promised Peter I would stay positive and not flameSONY or complain to much, but I think I have a legitimate concern if I am dead in the water because the program wont let me use my hardware.

AP7 cant come soon enough. Hopefully the new version will bring better performance in Vista. Although, now that I think anout it, until Peter re-wrote the sfasio.dll file, AP6 couldnt see my hardware in XP either.

And it's a Steinberg interface - are you guys punishing me?
:)

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/12/2008 5:41:29 AM

As you know, ACID Pro 6.0 came out before Vista and so it doesn't support Vista (how could it?). Why then would you upgrade to Vista? It is Microsoft that is punishing you by creating a new operating system that is incompatible with existing applications. I would go complain to them as to why none of your existing applications work. Sony has already said that they are working on ACID Pro 7.

Until then, I would highly recommend that you stay on XP. I have no problems on XP and I won't move to Vista until all of the applications that I use every day move to Vista. Like I said, this is Microsoft's mess and I want no part of it. It's a lot of headaches with absolutely zero gain for the consumer (most reports I've read are that applications run faster and more stable on XP).

Then again... Perhaps Steinberg is punishing you for using ACID. ;-)

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: Rickms

Date:8/12/2008 5:43:22 AM

Sony has some blame for this. Almost every major DAW vendor supports Vista now.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: AnthonyTower

Date:8/12/2008 6:51:43 AM

JohnnyRoy you've hit the proverbial nail on the head, couldn't agree with you more.

Cheers
Anthony Tower

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: Patrick@Denman

Date:8/12/2008 12:50:19 PM

Gotta chime in here.

JohnnyRoy, you're certainly entitled to your own personal view of Vista, but it is irrelevant in this situation. You almost seem to imply that an upgrade to Vista could not possibly make sense to anyone for any reason. Clearly Sony Creative doesn't believe this: Vista versions of Vegas and Sound Forge have been available for quite a while now, but not ACID Pro. WHY? Sony is obviously committed to Vista for some products and not others.

Virtually all of the other DAW software manufacturers who support Windows now have Vista-compatible releases (including Steinberg), but Sony Creative incessantly continues to delay a new release with Vista support.

The simple fact is that ACID Pro is a Windows application, and Sony has had YEARS to get a version out that fully supports Vista. (They were obviously asleep during the long Vista beta period, while their competitors were not.) If a vendor supports an OS platform, it is obliged to progress with that platform as it evolves. XP is all but dead in terms of its ongoing evolution, and like it or not, Vista is the next version of Windows. So if you're going to rail against Microsoft for Vista, you might as well start saving up for that iMac right now and look at other DAW packages, 'cause ACID doesn't run on OS X either!

ACID Pro is clearly being neglected by Sony Creative...it is now so far behind in the release cycle it's doing nothing but harm its own image in this sphere. It's a crying shame, because it is a heck of a good piece of software. But its support is outdated and there are Vista problems, and many of us (like Flo) are getting tired of waiting for Sony Creative to pull their finger out of wherever they've got it and get cracking on that new version.

Personally, I've lost patience with it, and am actively reviewing other DAW packages as a new platform. Unless some kind of miracle transpires, I simply can't see giving Sony Creative any more of my money for an upgrade, when they have a recent track record of such remarkable lethargy.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:8/12/2008 1:09:43 PM

Can I chime in with a bit of B.S. myself???

How about ALL these vst/vsti developers having NO [I repeat] NO [and once more]NO 64 bit pluggins!!!

Who the hell cares about vista if I'm just running it in 32bits. Really who cares? Fxpansion is looking at a mid '09 schedule for BFD2. Native instruments have no idea.

The only one that I can think of is Izotope. Thats it.Pluggin makers state that they use 64bit internal math but a true 64 bit coded pluggin? Not to be found with no deadline/eta.

Ed.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: Patrick@Denman

Date:8/12/2008 1:41:27 PM

BTW, in response to Flo's original problem...

I certainly sympathize with your problem. If your device is being recognized by AP5 - and I'm assuming that it's appearing in the Windows Device Manager in Vista - then unless you can find another driver version that might be recognized by AP 6, I think the only thing you can do in the meantime is look at alternative software. You might try looking at REAPER - it's very ACID-like, minus some things like Media Manager (which I know you had troubles with) and some of the more advanced looping features, but (IMHO) it is a decent contender. it's also very low-priced and the demo mode is completely functional - no crippleware. Still, I know this may not be much of a solution for you - just a suggestion that might help for now. At least you can find out from the demo if your hardware is correctly recognized.

The fact that your device can be seen by AP5 but not AP6 suggests that there is a bug in AP6. I'm not holding my breath any more waiting for Sony to get a move on.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/12/2008 2:12:31 PM

> Sony has some blame for this. Almost every major DAW vendor supports Vista now.

I appreciate your perception of the situation, but I am sure that other vendors did this as part of their normal release cycle which is what Sony is also doing. Sony Music Studio officially supports Vista as of it's latest release. So will the new ACID Pro when it is release. Vegas 7 didn't support Vista until Vegas Pro 8 was released.

Just because Microsoft puts out a new operating system doesn't mean it makes good business sense for every application vendor to immediately jump and react like they have nothing better to do than rewrite their application for zero benefit to them. Running on Vista without any new features is no excuse to produce a release.

You have to look at it from a business perspective. Customers would expect a release with no new features and just Vista support to be a free update (I would). But if it takes 3 months to port the application to Vista, who pays for the 3 months of development? It isn't free to the software vendor. Microsoft isn't paying for it. So from a business perspective, the only thing that make sense is to wait until you have a enough new features to create a new release that customers will pay for so that you can recover some of the cost of the development effort that Microsoft has imposed on you.

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/12/2008 2:29:26 PM

> JohnnyRoy, you're certainly entitled to your own personal view of Vista, but it is irrelevant in this situation.

Agreed, personal views of Vista are irrelevant. What is relevant is determining when to move to new technology. If you have applications that aren't supported on Vista, then you need to either wait or move on to other applications. I have chosen to wait, but when the 64-bit version of Vegas comes out later this year I will be upgrading to Vista64 myself (probably kicking and screaming and dual booting). ;-)

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: Patrick@Denman

Date:8/12/2008 3:22:14 PM

You have to look at it from a business perspective.

Indeed, you do have to look at it from a business perspective, and not just the perspective of your DAW. Many (I daresay most) of us do a wide range of things with our computers, not just build music using AP6, so we expect that responsible vendors will keep their tools current so that we can continue to move forward. That is the business of making software. Does Sony just expect all of us to wait for them to say when to move?

I acknowledge that there are still some issues with Vista as a platform, but I've been using it for over a year now and wouldn't ever consider going back to XP, for reasons that are too numerous to list here.

As far as Sony releasing version 7 as a paid upgrade, fair enough - I still think they could have done it as a point release without too much trouble, but they obviously have their reasons - it's simply the fact that they are taking far too long to get this done. And even if we're flexible enough to sit on our hands and wait for Sony to move, what is to guarantee that it won't be another eternity before the next release? Actions speak louder than words. And inaction speaks even louder - it signals a vendor that just isn't concerned, and is most certainly not responsive to the needs of its user base.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/13/2008 7:14:37 AM

Disclaimer: I rewrote this post several times trying to not make is sound argumentative but it is difficult without voice inflections. I really mean this as a casual conversation because I am genuinely interested in why you like Vista. Please read it in the calm manner in which it was intended... (glass of red wine optional) ;-) (yes... we are way off topic)

> ...we expect that responsible vendors will keep their tools current so that we can continue to move forward.

I agree that it has been way too long for ACID and I think Sony would agree too. But the harsh reality is that there are no major corporations moving to Vista. None. Microsoft had to extend the support end date for XP because of it. Dell, HP and other vendors were forced to offer XP as an alternate OS because customers complained and don't want Vista. Microsoft is already talking about the next operating system because they realize what a dismal failure Vista is and want to put it behind them as quickly as possible.

I don't see what Vista has to offer other than a GUI upgrade. It's another Windows ME as far as I can see. It doesn't run any faster, in fact most applications run slower. People using Vegas Pro on Vista have stated in the Vegas Forum that the same project renders slower on Vista than XP. Why would I want to upgrade? That's moving backward not forward.

Vista also forces you to upgrade all of your software and drivers just to use it. Where is the value in that? Let me tell you, if I have to buy all new software to use Vista I might as well buy the Mac version of that software and get rid of Microsoft all together. In fact, I think a lot of people are jumping ship to the Mac because of Vista and it's lack of backward compatibility. The Sony products are the only products I use that require Windows (every other piece of software I use has a Mac version). If it wasn't for Sony, I'd be on a Mac right now (and I am still considering getting a Mac Pro and using bootcamp or Fusion for the Sony products)

This is pure conjecture on my part, but I would venture to guess that if you did a pole of recording studios who use ProTools on the Windows platform, you'd be hard pressed to find even a single one using Vista. They are probably all still on XP because it works, and it works reliably, and Vista offers no benefits. Heck, I bet a lot of them are still on Windows 2000. Perhaps this is my distorted view but I don't see any advantages that Vista offers a musician and the draconian DRM that's built in scares the bajebas out of me.

> I've been using it for over a year now and wouldn't ever consider going back to XP, for reasons that are too numerous to list here.

Could you mention just a few compelling ones? Because other than 64-bit support with more addressable memory (which nothing takes advantage of yet) I can't think of a single one. While I was demoing out at NAB this year I had to use a Vista computer and I absolutely hated it. It was the most annoying experience I've ever had on a computer. Every time I double clicked on a program, it stopped to ask me if I wanted to run it! Why do you think I double clicked on it??? Duh! I lasted about an hour before moving over to an XP system for the remainder of the show. First impressions are lasting and my first impression of Vista was "get me outta here". :(

These are just my experiences. Your mileage may vary... void where prohibited by law. ;-)

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: kbruff

Date:8/13/2008 7:32:21 AM

Microsoft is already looking towards 2010 to release Windows 7.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: Rickms

Date:8/13/2008 11:14:05 AM

Man there are a lot of Sony apologist out there. Bottom line is Vista is not new! It was available to developers in mid 2006 I believe.

One reason for Sony to upgrade was to make life a little easier on its Users. Most new PC(s) ship with Vista.

Come on, there really is no excuse. You can make the argument that Vista does not provide any value above XP but it is what currently ships with most modern computers.

Again most major DAW developers have had Vista versions out for quite sometime. Why do you think that is?

All I can say is that ACID 7 better have some significant enhancements to justify a two year + upgrade cycle.

I have little hope that Sony is actually going to continue the ACID line.

When is the last time you've seen any major audio magazine give a second thought to ACID. ACID is not talked about anymore in professional circles. Live, Sonar, Reaper, Logic have all been progressive and easily do what ACID does.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:8/13/2008 11:26:04 AM

Yeah, Acid 6 is not officially supported by Vista. Ho hum....same ole' same ole'.

Johnny Roy is way off base here. You can't blame people for wanting to use Acid on a Vista machine. I use WinXP and I know how to build my own PCs.....so, I'm ok as of now. The problem is that NO new machine on the market is shipping with Windows XP. So what are those users who decided to buy a new PC within the last 2 years suppose to do? If someone just bought a new Laptop which ONLY ships with Vista....then you are criticizing them for buying a new laptop. They really didn't have a choice in the matter of which OS they got, since no one no longer sells new laptops with a Windows XP OS options.

Not everyone knows how to build their own PC or install their own OS from scratch. Heck...the last I checked, Acid was for people who are trying to create music....so why would someone expect the majority of Acid users who are most likely musicians to know how to whipe their new computer clean and install an older OS? Why would they even want to do that?

The problem is that Acid 6 has been out for over 2 years now. So are you saying, that someone shouldn't buy a new PC within a 2 year time frame and should wait for Sony to come out with a new release before they decide to buy a new PC? When will Acid 7 be released???? No one knows, because Sony does not tell us. We hear the same thing...."There will be an Acid 7.......some day". Well, our aging PCs can't wait for an unknown some day, when musicians want to make music today.

Johnny Roy, you really need to get your head out of your azz and stop defending Sony in this matter. You really look like a fool in doing so. People have a legitimate gripe on this matter. Vista has been out for quite awhile now and is the current default OS that every new PC ships with now. Yeah, it doesn't effect you and it doesn't effect me, because we're both computer saavy and know how to install OSes from scratch and set everything up. I would say, we're in the minority when it comes to musicians and Acid is a tool for musicians.....not computer geeks.

Your analogy in regards to recording studios is way...way off base also. Just look at the price tag of Acid....it's obvious that Acid is no longer directed at the recording studio industry, but more so directed at the home recording hobbyist. Those same home recording hobbyists go and buy a new PC and they should be able to expect that when the default shipping OS is now Vista, that the software they've purchased over 2 years ago would have had time to release a version that supports that OS....but the sad reality is that Acid no longer has Sony's full attention of support on it.....so it's time to move onto another DAW developer who does support their DAW and releases updates regularly that keeps up on top of the technology curve. Sony, is not on the top of the technology curve, nor even in the middle. It's at the bottom, and that's the sad truth that I have had to come to grips with and maybe it's time for you to finally come to that realization also.

Hello Reaper.....Good bye Acid.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/13/2008 11:57:53 AM

> You can't blame people for wanting to use Acid on a Vista machine.

You are correct. I can't blame them for wanting to. It's their option to try. Me... I just use what works.

> NO new machine on the market is shipping with Windows XP. So what are those users who decided to buy a new PC within the last 2 years suppose to do?

Not true. All the major manufacturers are offering XP now. HP has some really killer Quad Core workstations that come with XP. Any computer manufacturer that caters to the 3D market is fully supporting XP because there are no 3D pipelines that support Vista. So there are plenty of brand new XP machines to be had.

> They really didn't have a choice in the matter of which OS they got, since no one no longer sells new laptops with a Windows XP OS options.

Again totally untrue. I just bought my wife a new Lenovo T61 laptop specifically because it ships with XP. The choice is yours.

> Acid was for people who are trying to create music....so why would someone expect the majority of Acid users who are most likely musicians to know how to whipe their new computer clean and install an older OS? Why would they even want to do that?

Why would they want to buy a PC with an OS that their application's don't support?

I have 4 copies of MS Office 2000 that my family uses at about $180 each. Why would I want to spend $720 on new copies of office just for the privilege of using Vista? It is insane that Microsoft would make an OS that is not backward compatible. There is no way I'm going to buy new software that I don't need when what I already have works perfectly well.

You see... I don't buy a computer because of it's OS. I buy for the applications that I need to use. All of my applications run happily on XP. I have no incentive to upgrade. Trust me... If I were to buy a computer because of it's OS... I would buy a Mac! The Sony products are the only thing keeping me using Windows.

> Johnny Roy, you really need to get your head out of your azz and stop defending Sony in this matter.

I am a software developer so perhaps I see things a bit differently than you. As a developer, something like Vista support should come in the next release. It is unfortunate that the next release of ACID Pro hasn't happened since Vista came out but that is where we are. I totally understand your frustration and I cannot defend why it's taken Sony so long to come up with the next release but I am saying that it makes perfect sense that Vista support is a "next release' kind of feature.

> People have a legitimate gripe on this matter.

Yes they do but not so much with the fact that it doesn't support Vista as much as it has taken a long time for a new release to come out. I agree with you on that. I can't wait to see the next release of ACID Pro myself.

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:8/13/2008 12:00:02 PM

ohmaya,

To address your original problem I would try this. Since you mentioned that AP5 works properly on that same Vista PC, I would try to locate that sfASIO.dll file in the AP5 install directory. I would then try copying that into your AP6 install directory. It might not work, but then again I'm sure the file naming is probably the same and it just might work where Acid 6 will use the Acid 5 ASIO dll that seems to be working for you.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:8/13/2008 12:09:37 PM

"Not true. All the major manufacturers are offering XP now. HP has some really killer Quad Core workstations that come with XP. Any computer manufacturer that caters to the 3D market is fully supporting XP because there are no 3D pipelines that support Vista. So there are plenty of brand new XP machines to be had."

Yes, it is true. You are assuming Everyone is savvy enough to know where to shop for their next PC and "should" know better that Acid 6 does not work on Vista. The fact is that MS states that Vista has backwards compatibility. It does on the most part except for a few apps....Acid happens to be one of them. Go to ANY major retail store and show me a WinXP machine on display. Best Buy??? Wal-mart??? Sam's Club?? Costco??? CompUSA??? ALL Vista machines on display. These are the MAJOR retail outlets that people shop at. NOT everyone shops online at DELL.COM. Again, you go on mentioning "minorities" where Acid should be supported for where the "Majority" of people shop. The majority of people like to SEE and FEEL the PC they are about to invest their money in....DELL does not have such a retail store.

Those same retail stores where you can find Acid on the shelves at like Best Buy DO NOT SELL WinXP machines. You don't see the problem in that?

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/13/2008 12:13:53 PM

> Best Buy??? Wal-mart??? Sam's Club?? Costco??? CompUSA??? ALL Vista machines on display.

Do you see ACID Pro on the shelves of Best Buy??? Wal-mart??? Sam's Club?? Costco??? CompUSA???

NO!

What you see is ACID Music Studio which 100% supports Vista. I see no problem here.

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:8/13/2008 12:17:36 PM

"What you see is ACID Music Studio which 100% supports Vista. I see no problem here."

And then Sony offers you a reduced price to purchase Acid "Pro" after you've bought that ACID Music Studio off the shelf. Everyone knows ACID Music Studio is a marketing campaign led to get you to upgrade. Don't be so naive.

You still haven't showed me a major retail store with WinXP machines on display....cat got your tongue there huh?

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/13/2008 12:41:11 PM

> Everyone knows ACID Music Studio is a marketing campaign led to get you to upgrade. Don't be so naive.

LOL, You know that's actually an insult to Music Studio. It's really quite a powerful little application. Have you used it lately? I upgraded to ACID Pro 4 because I needed to use VST/DirectX effects, etc., but all of that stuff has been added to Music Studio now. I've been very impressed with it's capabilities. Same goes for Audio Studio and Vegas Movie Studio. Most of the features that I upgraded to the pro versions of those applications have now been added to the studio versions. They are quite capable and I guess I am that naive because I believe they target a certain market that really wouldn't need to upgrade to Pro.

The only real reason to upgrade from ACID Music Studio to ACID Pro would be for ASIO driver support and 24-bit audio and I'm so shocked by how many ACID Pro customers are using their PC motherboard 16-bit sound chip with no ASIO drivers that I often wonder what compelled them to purchase Pro over Studio?

(yes, I know Pro has groove mapping, control surfaces, media manager, folder tracks, 5.1, etc. but the Studio version is quite capable)

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:8/13/2008 12:54:42 PM

Bradly OMG:

Your argument is only good for the completely stupid who have just crawled from under a rock or who have just gotten rescued off a deserted island.

I just purchased a new dual quad computer from sonica audio and nobody talked me into using vista. The guy from ADK has no idea why I would even consider vista for daw stuff. I have never been anywhere while during my searches for a new system where vista was a only option.

With a quick goggle search you can see how many complaints are out there with vista compatibility issues still.

I now run on vista 64...my presonus firebox's 64 bit drivers are horrible. It's my fault for not searching the web for these issues prior to upgrading. I had to spend another $299 on a echo audiofire 4 soundcard to have a stable working enviroment. Which is still not free of clicks/pops...Last time I used my XP machine I had nowhere near this many issues.

So who is to blame? Please don't tell me go use reaper since I have already and I don't see much of a improvement at all in performance.

Acid is not there yet. Sony stated it will. Wait if you like...if not go and be happy. To threaten to jump ship till you see what new features are out in AP7 is dumb. If you got the resources to do so jump on a "cross grade" deal and be happy.

Stop the whining please.

Ed.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:8/13/2008 1:11:33 PM

<<<Your argument is only good for the completely stupid who have just crawled from under a rock or who have just gotten rescued off a deserted island.>>>

Which is exactly the same consumer segment that Acid is marketed towards.....Have you looked at the home page on this site recently? Exactly what you just described is exactly what Sony has pictured on the boxes of their products.

Nobody is whining in here. We're just stating the facts. Try to be able to tell differences.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: kbruff

Date:8/13/2008 2:37:48 PM

PRECISELY -- they do all the nice loop stuff and more, so it is just a personal preference.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: ohmaya

Date:8/13/2008 7:43:36 PM

o my gosh, I posted a problem and come back and I started a war!

:)

Let me go on record to say that I did not do a voluntary upgrade to Vista. I just purchased my first PC in 5 years, the highest end Dell graphics PC for my business to be able to do HD video editing and so the Vista was forced on me. Try buying a new Dell with 3.0 core duo, 4GB Ram and NVIDIA 8800 and tell them you want XP - they will hang up on you! I built my previous one, so I know a thing or two about hardware and software.

I had heard the complaints about Vista but I assumed that my products would work, as I am only running the 32 bit version.

You guys are really quick to blame Vista and those of us who have "voluntarily" upgraded to it. If you refer back to my original post, you will see that my problems with AP6 did not start with Vista, boys. AP6 on day one would not see my Steinberg MI4 interface in XP either, until the Angel of Mercy, Peter Haller rewrote the sfasio.dll ASIO driver file for me.

So dont blame Vista too quickly. My troubles started way before that. I dont think it was too much for me to expect when I had an XP machine that AP6 would see my interface and I dont think I am being unreasonable now. You are blaming the victim, not the perpetrator. What should I do - go back to Windows 98 and reinstall AP5? geez.. I love Acid and really miss using it so I hope this issue will get resolved.

Do you think Im due a complimentary upgrade when 7 comes out? VOTE HERE!!!

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: ohmaya

Date:8/13/2008 7:55:19 PM

<<<Vista also forces you to upgrade all of your software and drivers just to use it. >>>

Johnny -
With due respect, with the exception of AP6, every program I had in XP, including Adobe Creative Suite, Flash 8, Cubase 4, FL Studio, Vegas Movie Studio Platinum, Dreamweaver, and many more as well as all of my hardware devices - MI4 interface, Xacti HD camera, Fuji camera, MidiMan and more- installed flawlessly and ALL worked perfectly in Vista Ultimate with NO upgrades or major driver changes other than downloading a new driver version. It was all plug and play and I was back in business in one day.

I had also bought into the rumor that if you upgrade to Vista you have to buy all new programs, but it's just not true. My friend who is a CTO in NY slapped on the side of the head and said dont believe the negative hype. Im glad she did. With the exception of this issue, the transition has been flawless and I love the visual interface.
My graphics programs scream and my videos render in a fraction of the time.
Sorry to disagree, but Acid is the lone problem for me in Vista, and it was the same in XP when I first bought the AP6 upgrade. It's just a buggy thing which is too bad because it's so much fun. I hope AP7 is out soon so I can get back in the game.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: ohmaya

Date:8/13/2008 8:32:49 PM

"I would try to locate that sfASIO.dll file in the AP5 install directory. I would then try copying that into your AP6 install directory. "

It sounded like a good idea, but when I did this, AP6 crashed and wouldn't startup. The same for putting in the sfasio.dll Peter wrote - the program crashes.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:8/14/2008 10:22:07 AM

ohmaya,

Your problem obviously is between Acid6 and your ASIO driver for your Steinberg sound card.

You might even have this same problem if we ever see a Vista compatible Acid released. So until then here's your next best solution that has worked for many when having an app/driver specific issue.

Go here:
http://www.asio4all.com/

Download and install "ASIO4ALL". It's a freeware general ASIO driver that works with most every sound card. Then in Acid, select the ASIO4ALL ASIO driver.

Good luck.


<<<ASIO4ALL is a hardware independent low latency ASIO driver for WDM audio devices. It uses WDM Kernel-Streaming and sometimes even more sophisticated methods to achieve its objectives.

In order to successfully run ASIO4ALL, you need:

*

A WDM-compatible operating system, such as Win98SE/ME/2k/XP or Windows Vista (currently only 32 bit applications supported on Vista 64).
*

A WDM-driver for your audio hardware. (Under Win2k/XP/Vista this is implicit, not so under Win98SE/WinME.)
*

A couple minutes of your time and a little bit of luck.

What ASIO4ALL will NOT do:

*

Replace your existing sound card drivers or mess with them in any way.
*

Install any kernel mode components that could potentially affect the stability of your system.
*

"Overclock", or otherwise operate your audio hardware in ways that could potentially be harmful and/or void your warranty, except, of course, in cases where the manufacturer of your hardware has specifically stated that the use of ASIO4ALL would void your warranty indeed. >>>

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:8/14/2008 11:34:51 AM

JohnnyRoy said:
Not true. All the major manufacturers are offering XP now. HP has some really killer Quad Core workstations that come with XP. Any computer manufacturer that caters to the 3D market is fully supporting XP because there are no 3D pipelines that support Vista. So there are plenty of brand new XP machines to be had.

I replied:
Okay - I'll bite - where on HP's site did you see this killer quadcore with XP? A little help here, like maybe a link, would be appreciated. I also saw nothing on dell.com either about customizing a machine with XP installed instead of Vista. I need to find a possible replacement for my aging system; I'd actually like a little more speed (it's a 2.53 Ghz P4 with XP sp1). It's either this, or move my music work to a Mac, where I do my Photoshop stuff now.

Jack
OT PS: when the hell are we going to get a quote function on this forum? Every other forum I post to has one (Sonar, Project 5, NI, etc.)

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: Patrick@Denman

Date:8/14/2008 4:38:22 PM

Wow, JR, with all due respect, despite your stated intention to have a casual discussion, you are sure doing a lot of axe-grinding.

I'll only deal with a few issues here. Like your statements, mine are based on my own personal experience, but IMHO my experience is just as valid as anyone else's.

...the harsh reality is that there are no major corporations moving to Vista.

That's a pretty sweeping claim. Are you privy to ALL major corporations' IT plans? How can you authoritatively make this statement? And even if this were true, then why are virtually all large business software vendors supporting Vista now? That wouldn't make much sense if there was no demand for the software.

I don't see what Vista has to offer other than a GUI upgrade.

Just because you don't see it in your own experience, it doesn't necessarily follow that you know everything about it. I'm a software developer who is constantly adjusting, installing software on, and otherwise modifying my system. In the XP world, this inevitably resulted in blue screens and the need for new system rebuilds once or twice a year, but not once since I moved to Vista. Without the slightest hesitation I can easily state that Vista is by far the most stable and secure desktop platform Microsoft has ever built. It has dramatic improvements in multi-core processing; several benchmarks have shown that products like SONY VEGAS and SONY SOUND FORGE can do many tasks FASTER under Vista because of this. I'm not going to dispute the fact that Vista is a fatter OS than XP and needs tuning to make it more efficient for a lot of things, but its other benefits are so huge - like its vastly greater inherent security and recovery features - that in my opinion it is well worth the upgrade.

Vista also forces you to upgrade all of your software and drivers just to use it.

Forgive the tone, but I can't state this strongly enough: this is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. First, this issue is one that impacts hardware drivers much more than application software. Yes, Microsoft has identified many existing XP hardware drivers as incompatible. For many of the most common devices, Microsoft provides their own versions as replacements, or has worked with vendors to get updated Vista-compatible versions. But the vast majority of current, active hardware vendors have released Vista drivers for their products some time ago. It's true that many manufacturers - especially print hardware vendors like Canon and Seiko (EPSON) - refuse to provide Vista drivers for many/most of their preexisting models, because they want users to buy new hardware from them, and that just plain SUCKS. But if you have hardware that is relatively current (i.e. new within the last two years), you should have little or no trouble at all finding drivers for it. I concede that there are exceptions to this; I know that this can be and has been a significant problem for many people, but IMHO the general extent of the problem has been hugely over-exaggerated. And in many of these cases, the hardware will still operate with the old XP drivers (my EPSON printer is a case in point).

As far as application software is concerned, I have a LOT of different packages installed on my machine, and only a few of them required updates or upgrades to fully support Vista, so the statement that "Microsoft forces you to upgrade all of your software" is simply untrue. For my own part, only two peices of VPN software that I was running under XP Pro required an upgrade. With some other packages it was recommended, but the software continued to run without any changes. AP6.0d is in fact running well for me. (My main beef is that I want a more current, state-of-the-art version of the package and it's just not available.)

I might as well buy the Mac version of that software and get rid of Microsoft all together.

It's so ironic that you should say this. In my own estimation, probably the greatest motivation that Microsoft had behind moving away from the very loose and and problematic architecture of pre-Vista Windows (although I'm sure they'd never state it like this) was, in effect, to bring it closer to architectures like those of OS X and Linux systems. Changes in the security structure to make it much less vulnerable to viruses, more user-friendly for non-technical people, hugely easier to find documents and files, more intelligent in how it automatically handles system maintenance processes - all these things make Vista more accessible to people who don't consider themselves technically oriented. That may mean little or nothing to technical people like yourself, but it sure counts for a lot of other people.

In my experience, the majority of software packages have compatibility problems because of bad software design practices - like applications that routinely modify the system registry and system folders. To run these older packages under Vista, you usually have to run them with elevated privileges (i.e. "Run as Administrator"). At first, until I had all of the privileges on my system sorted out, I had a number of packages that would only run in this mode. I'm happy to say that I now have only a small number of specialized utilities that need to run in this way any more. I concede that you can find some legacy applications that simply won't run under Vista, but in my experience anyway, this is quite uncommon.

But hey, if you're inclined towards a Mac, I say go for it! They're great machines. :-)

Every time I double clicked on a program, it stopped to ask me if I wanted to run it!

This is the now-infamous User Account Control (UAC) prompt, that appears whenever you launch a program that requires elevated privileges in order to run (e.g. "Run as Administrator" as I mentioned above). There are a number of things to say here: 1) in the case of programs that will likely modify the registry or system folders (like software SETUP programs), IMHO this is a GREAT feature, because it acts as an additional reality check to make sure you don't inadvertently modify your system, and closes one of the biggest vulnerabilities to viruses that XP has; 2) UAC allows you to set up a machine with user accounts that need YOUR permission to run any applications that could modify the system, so someone else can't accidentally (or intentionally) mess your system up; 3) well-behaved application software, even from pre-Vista days, typically does NOT require this to run; 4) if you were getting that many UAC prompts on that system, I'd have a chat with the individual(s) who configured it; the chances are they configured most of these apps in a mode that requires elevated privileges, when this may actually be unnecessary; and 5) if you've got a lot of apps that need elevated privileges, you can log on as the system administrator and you won't get these prompts at all.

And of course you can also turn UAC off, but frankly, that's a really bad idea. It's like saying to the OS, "Look, I know you're just trying to protect yourself from software that could mess you up. But I just don't care. Trust me." And if you do that, welcome back to the XP world - indeed, you might as well NOT upgrade.

Don't misunderstand me; if you're happy with XP, that's just fine. Stay with it, and stay happy. But I'd ask that you respect the decisions of other intelligent people for having sound reasons for wanting to use Vista.

With this, I will exit from this diatribe. Sorry for helping take this thread so far off topic.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/14/2008 10:16:49 PM

> Okay - I'll bite - where on HP's site did you see this killer quadcore with XP? A little help here, like maybe a link, would be appreciated.

Sure. Try the HP xw8600 Workstation. It comes with Vista, XP, or Linux

> I also saw nothing on dell.com either about customizing a machine with XP installed instead of Vista.

Dell Precision T7400 Workstation comes with Vista or XP.

also...

BOXX 8400 Quad-core that ONLY comes with XP (you can't order Vista because this is a computer built for 3D work).

ABS Maxx Workstations Quad-core that ONLY come with XP. (btw, this is a great company that builds some fine machines)

Lenovo ThinkStation D10 (formerly IBM) Quad-core system can be purchased with no OS, Linux, Vista, or XP Recovery DVD.

So... there are plenty of PC's that ship with XP.

> It's either this, or move my music work to a Mac, where I do my Photoshop stuff now.

Actually buying a new Mac Pro 8-core and using Bootcamp with XP is a great idea as well. (so there's one more computer you can get with XP)

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/14/2008 10:37:41 PM

> I'm not going to dispute the fact that Vista is a fatter OS than XP and needs tuning to make it more efficient for a lot of things, but its other benefits are so huge - like its vastly greater inherent security and recovery features - that in my opinion it is well worth the upgrade.

I hope you're right because (as I said earlier) when the 64-bit version of Vegas Pro 8 arrives I'll be upgrading to Vista64 in order to use it. As I also stated, I don't buy an OS just for an OS. I buy applications to get work done. Vegas 64-bit will push me to Vista and I'll have to upgrade at that time. BTW, thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed post. I actually feel better that things might not be that bad when the time comes to upgrade.

> But I'd ask that you respect the decisions of other intelligent people for having sound reasons for wanting to use Vista.

I did not mean to imply that I did not respect the decisions of people who want to upgrade to Vista. I was reacting to the original posters second post in which they said:

"Come on...I have a program I paid for and can't use..."

To which I say, "You should not upgrade your OS if you know you have programs that are not Vista compatible yet." and I still stand by that statement as sound advice. No one should consider an OS upgrade unless they are certain that the hardware and software they need to use will run reliably on that new OS.

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:8/15/2008 12:22:25 AM

<<<Vegas 64-bit will push me to Vista and I'll have to upgrade at that time.>>>

Not really....there is a WinXPx64. I currently have it installed on my dual boot system.

<<<when the 64-bit version of Vegas Pro 8 arrives I'll be upgrading to Vista64>>>>

Hmmm?? Doesn't that conflict your earlier statements where you where saying that it's pretty much par for the course that an app shouldn't be expected to be supported on another OS until the next release cycle? So Vegas will get Vistax64 support before v9.0 now how?? That sounds about right for Sony...support the video side of your apps and don't give a sh*t about your audio customers. It's business as usual as they say.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:8/15/2008 5:07:29 AM

JohnnyRoy:
Thanks for the links/info. I ran through a couple of different configurations - wow! Serious power I never thought would be available from a mainstream manufacturer.
Jack

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/15/2008 7:32:11 AM

> Not really....there is a WinXPx64. I currently have it installed on my dual boot system.

Not really. Vegas 64-bit will only support Vista64 and not XP64. XP64 is pretty much dead.

> Hmmm?? Doesn't that conflict your earlier statements where you where saying that it's pretty much par for the course that an app shouldn't be expected to be supported on another OS until the next release cycle?

Vegas Pro 8 fully supports Vista32 so I see no conflict in my statement. They added Vista support in their next release. Perhaps Sony meant to have Vegas Pro 8 also support Visat64 but couldn't fit it into their schedule and so they shipped without it and added it in later. This is a common practice when you don't want to hold up your schedule but still want to deliver the function to the customer.

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/15/2008 8:50:35 AM

> Thanks for the links/info. I ran through a couple of different configurations - wow! Serious power I never thought would be available from a mainstream manufacturer.

You're welcome. Yea, I stopped by the HP booth when I was out at NAB 2008 this year and they showed me their 8-core machines and they were very sweet.

As a general rule of thumb, you never want to buy from the "Home" line of any manufacturer unless it's really just for home user (i.e., email, taxes, school work, internet, etc.). You always want to go to the business side of the web site and look at the engineering workstations. Those are the ones that will perform the best for audio and video.

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/15/2008 9:39:01 AM

Hey jackn2mpu, This was just referenced in the Vegas forum:

Purrrfect Audio Diginal Audio PCs A nice line of Dual-Core and Quad-core PC's and laptops that are built specifically for audio/studio applications. Notice that none of them come with Vista. XP only.

Also, ADK Pro Audio PC is another nice line of audio PC's that come with XP.

You might seriously want to consider one of these since they are build for audio they will have components that are spec'ed for that kind of work. They will also often be quieter too because they are designed to be use in a studio environment. The prices seem reasonable too.

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: ohmaya

Date:8/17/2008 7:22:19 PM

excuse me... sorry to interrupt, but can I go back to my original post...

:)


I loaded asio4all and it sees the MI4, but doesn't allow me access to the ASIO control panel for the MI4. So I cant accress the 4 inputs it has, only two. Since my external synth is on inputs 3/4 and my vioin and mic are on 1/2, I have lost the ability to input and monitor the synth while I play the violin part.
Makes the program useless for me...bummer.
Am I due some consideration here when AP7 comes out some day? I couldn't use it for a good long while first in XP and now cant use it at all in Vista...
BTW, AP5 sees my MI4, in Vista but it does not see ANY of the VST FX plugs in the vstplugins folder. And when I try to record aduio into the MI4 in AP5, it just shuts down. So no AP5 or AP6. All of my podcasts were done in AP 5 and 6, so forget them, too.

Can I just sit and cry now?

waaaahhhh

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:8/19/2008 8:00:29 AM

> excuse me... sorry to interrupt, but can I go back to my original post...

Sorry for seemingly taking this thread off-topic but it was still relevant. The solution is to not move to another operating system until all of your critical applications are supported on that operating system.

> I loaded asio4all and it sees the MI4, but doesn't allow me access to the ASIO control panel for the MI4. So I cant accress the 4 inputs it has, only two. Since my external synth is on inputs 3/4 and my vioin and mic are on 1/2, I have lost the ability to input and monitor the synth while I play the violin part. Makes the program useless for me...bummer.

That's correct. ASIO4ALL replaces the drivers for your device and has no support for any of the special capabilities it might have. This is intended for use with cards that don't have ASIO drivers at all which are usually stereo sound chips on motherboards or low end cards like the Soundblaster Live.

> Can I just sit and cry now?

You can but it will do you no good. The only solution is to go back to XP or wait for ACID Pro 7. You might consider setting up a dual boot scenario to use in the mean time.

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: RMS

Date:8/19/2008 9:54:01 AM

Just curious...

Peter!
Can you rewrite the entire app for me so it runs on XP as well as AP5 did?...with what I payed for in AP6 of course! (yea. i'm a sm*rt *ss. Good humored sm*rt *ss, but a sm*rt *ss all the same)

Yea...go ahead and flame me for being impatient and doubtful of AP7.

But...
I've been a QUIET registered user since Vegas 1 (no video then...if it only had MIDI now!), Acid since v1 (came free w/ cd burner). Sound Forge since v3 (i think). Oh yea...Siren (remember that mp3 player?) since v1 (died with v2). Err....Practically everything pro they offer/offered except Cinescore (no need for that).
Lots of dough to SF/Sony. No regrets except recently for acid (what...no phase invert button...on a DAW?)

Acid glitches and hangs for me ever since the V6(a-d). No changes to my system. I'm one of those who unfortunately can't use it productively or reliably anymore...not since AP5. I know...I can just use AP5. I worked hard for the money to BUY (er...upgrade) AP6! Not alot of money for that ...but still worked hard for it. I've spent far more on AutoCad, MS Visual Studio, etc. It's not the money. It's the concept of paying for what you don't get. Which I think in a DAW is reliability and productivity. I know I have no LEGAL right to expect AP6 to actually work (read the EULA?...of any app), but I don't like feeling (not saying I am being) screwed because of a technicality.

I write database software and couldn't even begin to wonder what I would be going through if my apps were as unreliable as AP6. Yea I can...Lost user base.

As I've said. I've been a QUIET, PATIENT registered user of many SF/Sony apps, but it's gotten very, very old waiting to see IF something really happens to further this product in a positive way. If AP7's initial release comes out as buggy as AP6...Bye, bye. No threats...just reality.

I have loyalty to stuff that works, not brands. People who wave flags usually get shot at...figuratively of course!

Anyone remember how good Sierra Nevada Ales used to be before they got gobbled up by the corporate bottom-line. (you'll at YEAST have to think back)

Which DAW app has that 'home-brewed' flavor now?
Hint...there's an excellent ALE named after it. 22oz. bomber.
Might have to try it soon.
Life's to short to 'drink bad beer'!

Yes...I'm waiting for AP7. But not for long.

RMS

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:8/19/2008 9:40:02 PM

"Can I just sit and cry now?"

Sorry, to hear ASIO4ALL didn't work out for you. I never used it, but read where others had used it for problems like the one you have described.

I have no other suggestions other than you should probably look for a different audio interface if you're going to continue using Acid. Who knows when Acid 7 will be coming our way???? and with the track record of your audio interface in regards to Acid, who knows if it will even work with v7.0?

One other suggestion you might want to try. I downloaded Reaper and Rewire Acid into Reaper. For all the things that Acid lacks in, Reaper makes up for it and vice-versa. If you Rewire Acid to Reaper, then you wouldn't need to use the audio driver in Acid. You would select your sound card driver in Reaper, and then route the audio tracks you have in Acid into Reaper via selecting Acid as a Rewire slave device in Reaper. You would then do all your recording in Reaper.

Reaper works on Vista.....it's also one of the few apps that actually supports Vistax64 natively.....as well as having a MAC version also.

I'm waiting to see Acid 7...whenever that may be? But I'm in no way throwing all my eggs into one basket with Sony's track record. I'm getting more comfortable with Reaper every day by using Reaper rewired with Acid. If Acid 7 doesn't at least have all the audio capabilities of Vegas by v7.0 then I'm outta this Acid mess for good. I'll continue to use Sound Forge because that has all the necessary fundamental features done already, where Acid we're still looking for things like phase buttons on the tracks and drag and drop from track to track of clips....and not to mention it only has 1/2 the audio editing capabilities of Sony's video NLE Vegas. It's a shame I can't rewire Vegas and Acid together.

I wish Sony would instead of making all these $50 lite versions of Vegas would make an Audio ONLY version of Vegas with Rewire capability. That would be a combo that would be useful.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: ohmaya

Date:8/25/2008 8:31:03 PM

Thanks everyone - after working with tech support for over a week, it looks like I have no fix to speak of. They have been helpful, but the only solution is for me to use Windows Sound Mapper, which eliminates the 4 inputs capability of my interface and reduces it to 2.

BTW...I have the same problem in Vegas Movie Studio 9 as well. It doesn't find my asio driver for the MI4 either. So here's my choice - stay with SONY software or buy a new audio interface. None of their products will work in Vista with the Steinberg interface.
Thanks to all of you, including tech support who tried to help. I miss Acid...

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: Patrick@Denman

Date:8/29/2008 7:24:30 AM

Flo, sorry to hear you've had no luck with your troubles with AP and Vista. Just to reiterate a suggestion made by myself and others here - give REAPER a try. Despite those AP features that are missing in REAPER, it's actually a really great package and the UI is quite similar in many respects so the learning curve shouldn't be too great.

Waiting for a new release of ACID Pro just isn't an option any more, IMHO.

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: ohmaya

Date:9/30/2008 3:58:25 PM

UPDATE:

Still no fix. I demo'd AMS and it saw my hardware, but I cant monitor the incoming audio becuase that's only a feature in Acid Pro.
So...catch 22...

I was reassured by the tech that AP7 is due to be released before the end of 2008

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:10/1/2008 7:37:51 AM

> I demo'd AMS and it saw my hardware

That's good news. That means when ACP7 comes out, chances are it will work right out-of-the-box for you. Unfortunately, I was not so lucky...

Since this thread started I've installed Vista64. (Oooo... gone to the "dark side" have you?) ;-) I actually like the feel of the OS once you get UAC turned off but it's little more than a curiosity at this point because there are no drivers for it. The first problem I had was there are no drivers for my M-Audio Firewire 410 audio interface so, I've got no audio. I thought, no problem, I'll just use my PreSonus Firewire Studio. Nope! No 64-bit drivers for that either. OK, so I'll plug in my M-Audio Radium49 MIDI keyboard controller. Nope! Won't find any 64-bit drivers for that either. Nuthin'!

Before you ask: I upgraded to Vista64 to use Vegas Pro 8.1 64-bit, of course.

So now I'm speaking from first hand experience. Vista is NOT a good platform for musicians. Well... at least Vista64 is not. If ACP7 came out tomorrow I could not us it on Vista because Vista doesn't support any of my audio hardware.

What's funny is that while investigating drivers I found that not only do these manufactures not have ANY Vista 64-bit drivers after all this time, one of them even said their priority was working on Windows 7 drivers bypassing the doomed Vista64 all together!!!

I realize that there are some Vista32 drivers but there is no reason for anyone using XP to crossgrade to Vista32. Unless you are going 64-bit, Vista has nothing to offer and even then Vista64 has nothing to offer YET. Luckily I installed it on a dual boot system so I can be productive on XP while waiting another 2 years for 64-bit to finally be supported. :(

(ok, now someone help me get off this soap box before I fall and I can't get up!) :-D

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: pwppch

Date:10/1/2008 8:21:23 PM

one of them even said their priority was working on Windows 7 drivers bypassing the doomed Vista64 all together!!!

Can you say which vendor told you this?

Thanks
Peter

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:10/2/2008 4:53:47 AM

I actually read it on the companies web site posted by an admin in their user forums responding to questions on why they didn't have 64-bit drivers. I thought I knew which forum but I went back to look and I could find the post (maybe it got removed?). I visited so many sites looking for audio hardware that supports Vista64 that I can't remember which one it was. Vista64 support for audio hardware is dismal at best. If I come across it again I will post.

What kills me is that I just purchased the PreSonus FireStudio Project and I was trying to decide between the FireStudio Project and FP10 because they were the same price (the FireStudio Project was on sale and was actually $100 more than the FP10) and looked like the same specs. I settled on the FireStudio Project because it had front LED indicators for signal and clipping (which probably contributes to why it costs more). Wouldn't you know the FP10 has 64-bit drivers and the FireStudio Project does not! :( Vista64 wasn't even on my radar when I made the choice.

~jr

Subject:RE: AP6d in Vista wont see ASIO driver

Reply by: ohmaya

Date:10/8/2008 7:47:14 PM

UPDATE:

Someone suggested I see if my hardware worked in Reaper with Vista Ultimate 32. It does. Perfectly.

Recap. My hardware (Stenberg MI4 USB Audio/Midi) works perfectly in:
FL Studio 8
Cubase Studio 4
Reaper
Acid Music Studio 7

Does not work in:
Acid Pro 6

Why dont I use the other apps?
No support for Acid loops in Reaper. No incoming audio monitor in Acid Music Studio 7. Awkward setup for MIDI and audio recording in FL Studio. Cubase is OK but overkill for most of my simple projects...

What's the only app I REALLY wanted my hardware to work in?
Acid Pro

What's the only app my hardware will NOT work in?
Acid Pro

:(

Tech support says Acid Pro 7 is due by end of 2008...I am hoping they are right! I miss my Acid Pro.