Peter Haller wrote:
>>There are no plans to support VST fx in Vegas - or any of our
>>products. Sorry.

This could get ugly....Is it politics or common sense problems of VST
that keeps VST out?
Maybe this would help : Attention SF users...e-mail every plug
company in universe to port their stuff to DX...If anyone knows how
to set up auto mail/petition website (seen this work to get a
skatepark, who knows?) please create then post ok?


>>>>also track enabled FX need to include standard dx....maybe
>>>>channel and console settings need to be saveable to
>>>>templates...copying whole songs from one mix to another
>>>>dont cut it
>>
>>What exactly to you want in a template? What do you mean by channel
>>and console settings? (Don't use these terms to decribe things in
>>Vegas.)


I use these terms to describe things in Vegas as a compliment to you
guys...dont think for a second I would call "mixer" in cubase, logic
or cakewalk a console

Id like to be able to pull track settings and overall levels between
tracks from on .veg file to another...would save a lot of
time...control c from one mix to another isnt always a solution, but
it does work

>>This could get ugly....Is it politics or common sense problems of
VST
>>that keeps VST out?

Just not a technology that buys anything. DirectX is a standard that
is supported with out dependency on a third party. We have to be
careful in supporting something that we have no control over. DX
plugins are MS and MS is responsible to all. VST is Stienberg.
Stienberg is responsible to Stienberg.


>>>>>>also track enabled FX need to include standard dx....maybe
>> >>>>channel and console settings need to be saveable to
>>>>>>templates...copying whole songs from one mix to another
>>>>>>dont cut it
>>>>
>>>>What exactly to you want in a template? What do you mean by
channel
>>>>and console settings? (Don't use these terms to decribe things in
>>>>Vegas.)
>>
>>
>>I use these terms to describe things in Vegas as a compliment to
you
>>guys...dont think for a second I would call "mixer" in cubase,
logic
>>or cakewalk a console

Oops. Meant to type

We don't use these terms to decribe things in Vegas.

Not tell you don't use these terms. Sorry.


>>Id like to be able to pull track settings and overall levels
between
>>tracks from on .veg file to another...would save a lot of
>>time...control c from one mix to another isnt always a solution,
but
>>it does work

Which Track setting? Tracks have to exist before they have settings.

This would be limited to the main busses, as a new project has no
tracks. I guess I don't understand how this would really help though.
I mean, each project is different. How would having the same main bus
settings for every project help. (Unless you have all 26 busses
setup, adjusting the settings would not be that much work.)

One thing you can do is to create and empty project with the settings
you like, save it as "my xyz settings.veg". Everytime you load this,
the project would be setup as desired. Just be sure to do a Save As
before you start working.

This blank project could have empty tracks, FX settings, Buss setups,
etc. The only thing that is not persisted would be the actual
hardware routings of the main buses. This is a global setting to the
application. (Basic reason was that routing is hardware dependent. We
wanted to allow for project to be used across multiple machines with
out having hardware dependencies.)

Peter

>>Which Track setting? Tracks have to exist before they have settings.
>>


OK let me star this out by explaining that I work at a REAL studio...
We have REAL microphones, REAL tape recorders and REAL customers who
PAY us REAL money to get their albums made to a professional standard
and in a timely manner. I know your people at SF have said that vegas
was tested in real studios, with "golden ears" engineers, before
release. I dont know about this, seems like many features wouyld have
been WAY different with a recording studio's input and feedback...oh
well

You know I love this product, as it is the first to get me away from
the mixing console...I tried every other DAW out there, but perferred
to use a traditional mixer, 'till I met Vegas. Tonite I was at the
mastering lab where, like every other Vegas mix so far, everyone was
impressed...I looked for problems, and anomalies, looking for
something maybe about that "sample accurate sync" thread a while
back...nothing...only limitations were my own...Vegas performed
flawlessly, but...

It takes WAY too long to mouse your way thru mixes!

. I guess I don't understand how this would really help though.
>>I mean, each project is different. How would having the same main
bus
>>settings for every project help.


Ok its like this...I will record from tape all the songs in a project
into vegas...
Next I start mixing a song...I set up track settings, overall
volumes, f-x chains all kindsa things...just like in real world...
Now I ahve settings that work great, mix the song, happy...
When I move to the next song, I gotta start all over again...bogus!
Yes, I can call up individual saved settings in each tack fx
individually, that will only take a year, but still, volume, pan, etc
will need to be redone...double bogus...
If you can figure a way to deal with this, then great...save me time,
save my customers from looking at their watches and growling.

Next...I need faders...BAD!
How about midi cc control for faders and track envelopes? let it work
with cakewalk/peavey motor fader pack, or the new TASCAM one,
whatever...Otherwise Im gonna have to buy TWO slACKIE D8b's just to
have control...no thanks...

One more thing...track arming...how about a way to save arming
configs...like in routing or something...
I have 28 ins to my computer...every new project or after a crash, or
other circumstances, I have to click, arm track...click pick
input...click pick left or right...across 48 tracks for a zillion
songs that REALLY sucks...

Still you guys have the best product out there as far as I can
tell...just please make it better for us REEL "tape-heads"
Thank You!

Aaron --

I recently mixed an EP for my band using Vegas.

I'm in a similar situation as yours: I normally use analog tape,
analog mixers, and analog effects to do my work.

For this project, I fed my Tascam 16-track into Vegas to mix.
Instantly, I was struck by the problem you're describing: if I save
each individual song as a seperate .veg file, I'm screwed. I'll have
to duplicate settings from each .veg file to the next.

Here's what I did and it worked *perfectly*, and really wasn't a
hassle. I made *one* .veg file with all of the tracks for the EP.
This way, track one was *always* kick drum front with mild
compression and a slight bump at 500K. Track two was *always* kick
drum back with slight treble boost, etc. Then I set up some project
markers to set where each new track begins and ends. I used the
faders to establish basic settings and then I was able to use the
volume faders to make sure that, for instance, on the one song where
the guitar is just a little too loud, I could back it off.

When I had everything sounding great, I highlighted each track
individually and saved it as a 44.1KHz 16-bit file, ready to be
brought into my editor for trimming out clicks and spaces, and then
brought into my burning program from CDR mastering.

Wouldn't this approach work for you, too? Even if you have an LP's
worth of material, it's still pretty manageable, since Vegas (with
it's efficient .sfk files) doesn't get burdened when referencing lots
of .wav files.

Additionally, you could easily make a template with your routings,
pan settings, and bus configurations and save it without any files
inside of it to use it as a template (if these are always the same
for you). I have a 16-track recording template where each of the 16
tracks is set to record from one of my Frontier Dakota card's 16
inputs. I open it every time I'm getting ready to make an analog-to-
Vegas tranfer and it saves me... well, minutes, but every bit counts!

Hope this helps,
Carl

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Which Track setting? Tracks have to exist before they have
settings.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>OK let me star this out by explaining that I work at a REAL
studio...
>>We have REAL microphones, REAL tape recorders and REAL customers
who
>>PAY us REAL money to get their albums made to a professional
standard
>>and in a timely manner. I know your people at SF have said that
vegas
>>was tested in real studios, with "golden ears" engineers, before
>>release. I dont know about this, seems like many features wouyld
have
>>been WAY different with a recording studio's input and
feedback...oh
>>well
>>
>>You know I love this product, as it is the first to get me away
from
>>the mixing console...I tried every other DAW out there, but
perferred
>>to use a traditional mixer, 'till I met Vegas. Tonite I was at the
>>mastering lab where, like every other Vegas mix so far, everyone
was
>>impressed...I looked for problems, and anomalies, looking for
>>something maybe about that "sample accurate sync" thread a while
>>back...nothing...only limitations were my own...Vegas performed
>>flawlessly, but...
>>
>>It takes WAY too long to mouse your way thru mixes!
>>
>> . I guess I don't understand how this would really help though.
>>>>I mean, each project is different. How would having the same main
>>bus
>>>>settings for every project help.
>>
>>
>>Ok its like this...I will record from tape all the songs in a
project
>>into vegas...
>>Next I start mixing a song...I set up track settings, overall
>>volumes, f-x chains all kindsa things...just like in real world...
>>Now I ahve settings that work great, mix the song, happy...
>>When I move to the next song, I gotta start all over again...bogus!
>>Yes, I can call up individual saved settings in each tack fx
>>individually, that will only take a year, but still, volume, pan,
etc
>>will need to be redone...double bogus...
>>If you can figure a way to deal with this, then great...save me
time,
>>save my customers from looking at their watches and growling.
>>
>>Next...I need faders...BAD!
>>How about midi cc control for faders and track envelopes? let it
work
>>with cakewalk/peavey motor fader pack, or the new TASCAM one,
>>whatever...Otherwise Im gonna have to buy TWO slACKIE D8b's just to
>>have control...no thanks...
>>
>>One more thing...track arming...how about a way to save arming
>>configs...like in routing or something...
>>I have 28 ins to my computer...every new project or after a crash,
or
>>other circumstances, I have to click, arm track...click pick
>>input...click pick left or right...across 48 tracks for a zillion
>>songs that REALLY sucks...
>>
>>Still you guys have the best product out there as far as I can
>>tell...just please make it better for us REEL "tape-heads"
>>Thank You!
>>

>>
>>Wouldn't this approach work for you, too? Even if you have an LP's
>>worth of material, it's still pretty manageable, since Vegas (with
>>it's efficient .sfk files) doesn't get burdened when referencing
lots
>>of .wav files.
>>
>>
>>Hope this helps,
>>Carl
>>


Perfect!!!
This one should be copied to Vegas FAQ...
thanks Carl...it may not be an elegant solution but it most certainly
is a working one.

Aaron:

I hear what you are saying. I prefer a mixer over mousing any day.
(Control surface - HUI, Motormix, JLCooper, etc - integration will be
comming in the future.)

I understand what you want now. A simple way to recall mix settings
for a standard layout or starting point. There may be an easier way
to do this than what I suggested, but let me play with it a bit and
talk it over with the other guys.

Peter

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Which Track setting? Tracks have to exist before they have
settings.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>OK let me star this out by explaining that I work at a REAL
studio...
>>We have REAL microphones, REAL tape recorders and REAL customers
who
>>PAY us REAL money to get their albums made to a professional
standard
>>and in a timely manner. I know your people at SF have said that
vegas
>>was tested in real studios, with "golden ears" engineers, before
>>release. I dont know about this, seems like many features wouyld
have
>>been WAY different with a recording studio's input and
feedback...oh
>>well
>>
>>You know I love this product, as it is the first to get me away
from
>>the mixing console...I tried every other DAW out there, but
perferred
>>to use a traditional mixer, 'till I met Vegas. Tonite I was at the
>>mastering lab where, like every other Vegas mix so far, everyone
was
>>impressed...I looked for problems, and anomalies, looking for
>>something maybe about that "sample accurate sync" thread a while
>>back...nothing...only limitations were my own...Vegas performed
>>flawlessly, but...
>>
>>It takes WAY too long to mouse your way thru mixes!
>>
>> . I guess I don't understand how this would really help though.
>>>>I mean, each project is different. How would having the same main
>>bus
>>>>settings for every project help.
>>
>>
>>Ok its like this...I will record from tape all the songs in a
project
>>into vegas...
>>Next I start mixing a song...I set up track settings, overall
>>volumes, f-x chains all kindsa things...just like in real world...
>>Now I ahve settings that work great, mix the song, happy...
>>When I move to the next song, I gotta start all over again...bogus!
>>Yes, I can call up individual saved settings in each tack fx
>>individually, that will only take a year, but still, volume, pan,
etc
>>will need to be redone...double bogus...
>>If you can figure a way to deal with this, then great...save me
time,
>>save my customers from looking at their watches and growling.
>>
>>Next...I need faders...BAD!
>>How about midi cc control for faders and track envelopes? let it
work
>>with cakewalk/peavey motor fader pack, or the new TASCAM one,
>>whatever...Otherwise Im gonna have to buy TWO slACKIE D8b's just to
>>have control...no thanks...
>>
>>One more thing...track arming...how about a way to save arming
>>configs...like in routing or something...
>>I have 28 ins to my computer...every new project or after a crash,
or
>>other circumstances, I have to click, arm track...click pick
>>input...click pick left or right...across 48 tracks for a zillion
>>songs that REALLY sucks...
>>
>>Still you guys have the best product out there as far as I can
>>tell...just please make it better for us REEL "tape-heads"
>>Thank You!
>>

Peter Haller wrote:
>>Aaron:
>>
>>I hear what you are saying. I prefer a mixer over mousing any day.
>>(Control surface - HUI, Motormix, JLCooper, etc - integration will
be
>>comming in the future.)
>>
>>I understand what you want now. A simple way to recall mix settings
>>for a standard layout or starting point. There may be an easier way
>>to do this than what I suggested, but let me play with it a bit and
>>talk it over with the other guys.
>>
>>Peter

I just got back my copy of master from the 5th vegas album I took to
the lab...
band is happy
mastering lab is impressed
and I am moused out :)
I think, with the money you guys are helping me make...I am going to
buy two Mackie D8B's...that way, I'll have moving faders, and all and
since I have so many I/O's, Ill be able to use my analog gear as
well...
This is the best solution I can see for now, but please look at the
setup or template thing...having storable, recallable record templates
(device a to first track, device b right to second track...etc) would
help alot...
Thanks

also I am now just triggering sync and I am not getting any drift as
far as I can tell...tomorrow, when I am wrapping up mic cords, I will
run a 1khz test and a sweep test across tracks and across machines,
then sync into vegas, to see what if anything, could possibly go
wrong...
None of the audiophile ANALyser people at the lab have said anything
about phasiness so Im not really worried...(those guys heard the fact
that once I recorded overhead dums across two separate sample
accurate sync locked mdm's, so go figure), but maybe you could look
into sample accurate sync support again, just so I have one less fear
at nite when I try to sleep...

Bye for now...make sure you are working on a Nuendo killer.

Please add Yamaha O1v support (most other software supports it) to
that list. Thanks

Jeff

Peter Haller wrote:
>>Aaron:
>>
>>I hear what you are saying. I prefer a mixer over mousing any day.
>>(Control surface - HUI, Motormix, JLCooper, etc - integration will
be
>>comming in the future.)
>>
>>I understand what you want now. A simple way to recall mix settings
>>for a standard layout or starting point. There may be an easier way
>>to do this than what I suggested, but let me play with it a bit and
>>talk it over with the other guys.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>Aaron Carey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Which Track setting? Tracks have to exist before they have
>>settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>OK let me star this out by explaining that I work at a REAL
>>studio...
>>>>We have REAL microphones, REAL tape recorders and REAL customers
>>who
>>>>PAY us REAL money to get their albums made to a professional
>>standard
>>>>and in a timely manner. I know your people at SF have said that
>>vegas
>>>>was tested in real studios, with "golden ears" engineers, before
>>>>release. I dont know about this, seems like many features wouyld
>>have
>>>>been WAY different with a recording studio's input and
>>feedback...oh
>>>>well
>>>>
>>>>You know I love this product, as it is the first to get me away
>>from
>>>>the mixing console...I tried every other DAW out there, but
>>perferred
>>>>to use a traditional mixer, 'till I met Vegas. Tonite I was at
the
>>>>mastering lab where, like every other Vegas mix so far, everyone
>>was
>>>>impressed...I looked for problems, and anomalies, looking for
>>>>something maybe about that "sample accurate sync" thread a while
>>>>back...nothing...only limitations were my own...Vegas performed
>>>>flawlessly, but...
>>>>
>>>>It takes WAY too long to mouse your way thru mixes!
>>>>
>>>> . I guess I don't understand how this would really help though.
>>>>>>I mean, each project is different. How would having the same
main
>>>>bus
>>>>>>settings for every project help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ok its like this...I will record from tape all the songs in a
>>project
>>>>into vegas...
>>>>Next I start mixing a song...I set up track settings, overall
>>>>volumes, f-x chains all kindsa things...just like in real world...
>>>>Now I ahve settings that work great, mix the song, happy...
>>>>When I move to the next song, I gotta start all over
again...bogus!
>>>>Yes, I can call up individual saved settings in each tack fx
>>>>individually, that will only take a year, but still, volume, pan,
>>etc
>>>>will need to be redone...double bogus...
>>>>If you can figure a way to deal with this, then great...save me
>>time,
>>>>save my customers from looking at their watches and growling.
>>>>
>>>>Next...I need faders...BAD!
>>>>How about midi cc control for faders and track envelopes? let it
>>work
>>>>with cakewalk/peavey motor fader pack, or the new TASCAM one,
>>>>whatever...Otherwise Im gonna have to buy TWO slACKIE D8b's just
to
>>>>have control...no thanks...
>>>>
>>>>One more thing...track arming...how about a way to save arming
>>>>configs...like in routing or something...
>>>>I have 28 ins to my computer...every new project or after a
crash,
>>or
>>>>other circumstances, I have to click, arm track...click pick
>>>>input...click pick left or right...across 48 tracks for a zillion
>>>>songs that REALLY sucks...
>>>>
>>>>Still you guys have the best product out there as far as I can
>>>>tell...just please make it better for us REEL "tape-heads"
>>>>Thank You!
>>>>

Yes, I just want to add my request for MIDI control of as faders,
pannng, etc... I use the Peavey PC1600X. Also, manual should be
updated to describe the MIDI sync. capabilities and setup.
thanks Randall

Jeffrey Litzinger wrote:
>>Please add Yamaha O1v support (most other software supports it) to
>>that list. Thanks
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>Peter Haller wrote:
>>>>Aaron:
>>>>
>>>>I hear what you are saying. I prefer a mixer over mousing any
day.
>>>>(Control surface - HUI, Motormix, JLCooper, etc - integration
will
>>be
>>>>comming in the future.)
>>>>
>>>>I understand what you want now. A simple way to recall mix
settings
>>>>for a standard layout or starting point. There may be an easier
way
>>>>to do this than what I suggested, but let me play with it a bit
and
>>>>talk it over with the other guys.
>>>>
>>>>Peter
>>>>
>>>>Aaron Carey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Which Track setting? Tracks have to exist before they have
>>>>settings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OK let me star this out by explaining that I work at a REAL
>>>>studio...
>>>>>>We have REAL microphones, REAL tape recorders and REAL
customers
>>>>who
>>>>>>PAY us REAL money to get their albums made to a professional
>>>>standard
>>>>>>and in a timely manner. I know your people at SF have said that
>>>>vegas
>>>>>>was tested in real studios, with "golden ears" engineers,
before
>>>>>>release. I dont know about this, seems like many features
wouyld
>>>>have
>>>>>>been WAY different with a recording studio's input and
>>>>feedback...oh
>>>>>>well
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You know I love this product, as it is the first to get me away
>>>>from
>>>>>>the mixing console...I tried every other DAW out there, but
>>>>perferred
>>>>>>to use a traditional mixer, 'till I met Vegas. Tonite I was at
>>the
>>>>>>mastering lab where, like every other Vegas mix so far,
everyone
>>>>was
>>>>>>impressed...I looked for problems, and anomalies, looking for
>>>>>>something maybe about that "sample accurate sync" thread a
while
>>>>>>back...nothing...only limitations were my own...Vegas performed
>>>>>>flawlessly, but...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It takes WAY too long to mouse your way thru mixes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> . I guess I don't understand how this would really help
though.
>>>>>>>>I mean, each project is different. How would having the same
>>main
>>>>>>bus
>>>>>>>>settings for every project help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok its like this...I will record from tape all the songs in a
>>>>project
>>>>>>into vegas...
>>>>>>Next I start mixing a song...I set up track settings, overall
>>>>>>volumes, f-x chains all kindsa things...just like in real
world...
>>>>>>Now I ahve settings that work great, mix the song, happy...
>>>>>>When I move to the next song, I gotta start all over
>>again...bogus!
>>>>>>Yes, I can call up individual saved settings in each tack fx
>>>>>>individually, that will only take a year, but still, volume,
pan,
>>>>etc
>>>>>>will need to be redone...double bogus...
>>>>>>If you can figure a way to deal with this, then great...save me
>>>>time,
>>>>>>save my customers from looking at their watches and growling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Next...I need faders...BAD!
>>>>>>How about midi cc control for faders and track envelopes? let
it
>>>>work
>>>>>>with cakewalk/peavey motor fader pack, or the new TASCAM one,
>>>>>>whatever...Otherwise Im gonna have to buy TWO slACKIE D8b's
just
>>to
>>>>>>have control...no thanks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One more thing...track arming...how about a way to save arming
>>>>>>configs...like in routing or something...
>>>>>>I have 28 ins to my computer...every new project or after a
>>crash,
>>>>or
>>>>>>other circumstances, I have to click, arm track...click pick
>>>>>>input...click pick left or right...across 48 tracks for a
zillion
>>>>>>songs that REALLY sucks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Still you guys have the best product out there as far as I can
>>>>>>tell...just please make it better for us REEL "tape-heads"
>>>>>>Thank You!
>>>>>>