Subject:Point of personal interest

Posted by: BACKBEAT69

Date:7/23/2008 4:30:52 AM

I have been using Acid from jump street I went through the Sonic day's throught all the updates the whole ball of wax. To hear people say Sony is lacking gets to me.Try using Pro Tools with all it's funky problems and high prices. I have been using both programs. Acid 6.0 was a great advancement to all the others. If it takes Sony three more years to come up with 7.0 so be it. I'm sure it will be a great one as well. Don't give up the ship guy's and girls you don't realize the full value of the Acid family until you find yourself in a real jam and Acid pulls you through with no problem.

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: thirdnostril

Date:7/24/2008 1:59:11 PM

Sorry, I can't get to the point where I'm seeing the plusses:

1. Every time I add or delete an effect, I get the Windows help window opening over my work. Again when I close the FX window.

2. ACID doesn't remember what patch I had my softsynths set to, meaning I've had a lot of really nice, lush pads become the GM piano.

3. Regular crashes. In fact, every single time I open ACID, I have to tell Vista to "Allow" it. Why? It's Microsoft-approved and registered. Then when I close ACID, I have Vista telling me "ACID has terminated improperly, looking for a way to recover the program." Huh?

These are very basic matters. For SONY to just look the other way and whistle just doesn't compute. Or is it they want us to pay for AP6 to function by buying AP7?

That's something that hasn't been mentioned. The debate has been "Dump ACID" vs. "Be patient, AP7's coming." But there's a significant amount of damage that's been done that can't be undone--namely, the 20 months or so we've made do with a wonky DAW. SONY is a company operating in a marketplace. It has neglected to ensure that their product stays competitive, either by assuming two years without a bug fix is acceptable, or just corporate heel-dragging and politics (which gets my vote). It just hasn't conformed to the standard set by the marketplace. If you have no problems with AP6, bully for you. But I think the number of users who have a legitimate gripe makes it inexcusable for SONY to not only fail to act, but to instruct their representative here to remain so tight-lipped about the future that wild rumors flying about is inevitable.

I'm sure SONY doesn't mind all this bitching. You don't get as big as SONY without having elephant-grade thick skin to criticism, no matter how deserved. They're not stupid--they know full well that simply letting the forum moderator let slip a detail or two, a vague hint at a release date, a new feature, a problem that definitely won't be a problem once AP7 shows up--SOMETHING--would placate us and earn our respect. But--nothing.

So, sorry, but I truly have no clue what you're referring to when you talka bout ACID "pulling me through no problem." It hasn't done that since version 4.

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: pwppch

Date:7/24/2008 7:31:30 PM

From your problem descriptions, and your statements, the problem is that you are running ACID 6 on Vista. We do not support ACID Pro 6 on Vista.

1. The help file issue is known and due to Vista. You need to locate on Microsoft's web site the XP help engine. I believe this has been discussed in our Windows Vista Forum here. Try this link

2. We have only been able to repro this on Vista, though there are reports of it happening on XP as well.
3. ACID Pro 6 is not a Verisigned Vista App, so it cannot be conisidered "Microsoft Approved."

The next version of ACID will address these issues as well as support Vista.

Peter

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: Rickms

Date:7/25/2008 5:03:00 AM

Reaper, Cubase, Sonar, Project 5, Live all Vista compatible. Vista has been out since January 30 2007.

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: alltheseworlds

Date:7/25/2008 5:34:11 AM

Yay Peter ! Great to see you back.

V7 can't be far away now ! ;-)

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: stuffedspacedog

Date:7/25/2008 6:49:59 AM

Want a bet? ;-)

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:7/25/2008 11:52:06 AM

Actually - Vista has been out since Nov 30, 2006.

Cheers!

VP

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: Rickms

Date:7/25/2008 12:28:33 PM

I believe the date I gave was the worldwide commercial release. Never the less, it has been available for some time.

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: AAAbatteries

Date:7/25/2008 7:36:41 PM

AP6 isn't approved for Vista? Wtf? It's been over a year since Vista became commercially available.

1. This is easily solved. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607

2. I got this for a little while too. Not sure why but it just stopped happening eventually.

3. Acid crashes on me a lot too. Sometimes it even crashes while saving which really gets me raging. Here's one I encountered a few weeks ago: http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4589/crash2kx1.jpg Error windows just kept popping up every 10 seconds or so and the program wouldn't force quit and I had to eventually reboot. As for the privileges, Acid typically runs fine when not running as admin. I just run it as admin as some of my VSTs don't work correctly in the standard mode.

But I share your pain. I really, really wish Sony would show us what we can look forward too in the next version of Acid. One thing they fail to acknowledge is that this can effect whether users stay with Acid Pro or move on to something else, and that if effects new users deciding on which DAW to get too.

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: Moody

Date:7/25/2008 10:04:19 PM

BACKBEAT69, I'm in agreement with you. I've been using Acid since the Sonic Foundry days, and admittedly, it is hard for me to switch. I'm able to do all that I need to do right now... so for now, I'm holding off on playing too much with Reason, Reaper or any other production software. I'm *hoping* that AP7 is real and has some features that will be worth upgrading. If it doesn't, I may make myself finally switch, but until I know for sure... I can't risk the time investment to go to another product, then switch back if AP7 turns out being nice. I really hope they add the feature (like Vegas) to export each bus to a separate track. If that gets put in AP7, I will be very happy (because it will make it easy to export sessions to Pro Tools or Reaper).

Anyway, just wanted to say that I'm going to stick with Acid for now. Hopefully AP7 will reward me for my "loyalty". We'll see.

BTW, who in the world would run a DAW on Windows Vista?

Yuck.

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: thenoizzbox

Date:7/26/2008 8:55:02 PM

> The next version of ACID will address these issues as well as support Vista.

What about Vista 64 Peter?

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: thirdnostril

Date:7/29/2008 7:58:28 AM

Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a light bulb?

A: None. Darkness is a FEATURE in Windows.

Thanks for the answer, Peter. I know it's the only answer you're authorized to give. But it's kind of like wondering why your cow isn't giving milk, and being told it's because you're in the wrong barn.

It really shouldn't be an issue. Not at this point. It shouldn't take a paid upgrade to fix this, plain and simple. Keeping up with current OS versions is as much a part of making a decent DAW as any other feature. Compund that with nothing at all in the way of letting us know how long this situation will have to be endured, and--you get the threads we've been seeing. I don't blame you at all, but could you tell us this--is there anyone at the VP level or better who regularly hears about our difficulties, in an ongoing, real-time way? Because I believe part of the frustration factor is the sense that SONY has sent a perfectly nice fellow--you--as a go-between between their insensitivity and our frustration.

I don't want you to be the Scott McClellan of SONY, y'know?

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: thirdnostril

Date:7/29/2008 8:02:27 AM

"The next version of ACID will address these issues as well as support Vista."

Hey--that sounded like, like, descriptive words that apply to a future version of ACID! HEY!

You slipped that in while I was ranting, no fair!

Thanks, dude.

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:7/29/2008 9:48:52 AM

Granted I run XP, but I also run a TC Powercore FW and visit their forum from time to time. Those poor bastards don't have Vista drivers either, and that's a hardware piece. They keep getting told Vista support will be in the next driver release, but that's not likely to happen anytime soon. Ditto for AP7, and even if it were released tomorrow, I'd wait a rev cycle or two for Sony to get their act straightened out.
Jack

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:7/29/2008 11:00:09 PM

"BTW, who in the world would run a DAW on Windows Vista?"

Well, given that all new PCs come with Vista as standard, and it's hard to buy XP anymore ...

I am still on XP, but I'll probably upgrade my hardware soon. I guess I could reinstall the old XP, but I usually give my old PCs to my kids, so odds are I will have to move to Vista.

I agree with those who use Vista - it wasn't as though the OS change came out of the blue. I would have expected a Vista-compatible Acid within a reasonable time - maybe it's on its way?

Subject:RE: Point of personal interest

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:7/30/2008 10:58:10 AM

jumbuk said:
I agree with those who use Vista - it wasn't as though the OS change came out of the blue. I would have expected a Vista-compatible Acid within a reasonable time - maybe it's on its way?

My reply:
And so is a 7 figure (and I don't mean including the decimal point) recording contract for everyone here. If you want to record and use Vista, you're looking at something like Sonar 7; can't vouch for Reaper or Cubase.
Jack