Which Os?

pramos wrote on 2/24/2000, 12:02 AM

I dunno, Be's been around awhile ... but it's still young. The
promise of Be has also been around awhile. I remember when they sold
hardware, I was strongly lobbying OSC (who sold out to Macromedia) to
port their multi-track SW to it. I love their GUI (I hope they still
have that bad-ass CPU meter).

**IF** Be got some more support from the public, I'm sure more
products would be coming out for it. I mean, just because compaines
have announced they're doing things for a certain platform, doesn't
mean stuff will come out anytime soon (if ever). But it is this need
(for more public support) that will hurt it. Especially since the
major "alternative" to MS OS' is Linux (and it's getting the majority
of love out there). Be's got some love in the multimedia community,
but there's already proof that some is just not enough (see the
demise of the well-loved Amiga and Atari, which some studios *still*
use!!!).

NT's pulling it off. If companies would get off thier developing
arses and start getting well-written (I stress well-written) drivers
for NT, I don't think there would be any issues. There's also a wide
range of supported HW for NT (RAID controlelrs, video cards, etc.),
which will give it the edge. I'm not saying NT's the perfect OS, but
it's getting the job done for me and it's costing me less than my
alternatives. But of course, this is all IMHO.

You know, I'm with you ... I'd love to see a ProTools/Avid killer on
Be for a quarter of the price (that would, of course, include
hardware). But the day it happens is probably far away.

Personally, I don't think Be has a shot ... with the Mac kicking the
processor speed of the G4s (yes, they are that fast!) and the extreme
acceptance of FireWire drives ... the Mac is coming back into the DAW
world. It's biggest cripple is the lack of hardware support, but
isn't that it's everlasting cripple? I see the Mac taking back a
little of what it lost to the PC-DAW revolution (esp. since companies
like Gadgetlabs, Midiman and Echo are getting Mac drivers moving).

The public's increasing awareness of Linux doesn't help either.

I'm waiting for the resurgence of OS/2. hehehe -- I was one of those
zealots the other guy was talking about in the Linux thread.

Don't hold yer breath for them Echo drivers either.

;-)

** These are of course, IMHO and not to be taken harshly ... blah
blah blah ... opinions are like blah blah blah everyone has blah blah
one blah blah I have two **

Carl Edwards wrote:
>>Ok, here's the story. NT is not made for multimedia and
>>really isn't good at it either. Then again Linux is also
>>made to be turned on and left running. These are server
>>platforms and should be left at that. BeOs would be a much
>>better choice in the longrun and Sonic Foundry could well
>>benefit from the hardware like latencies that Be provides.
>>At this point I will prolly change to Be 5 and use the
>>Logic Multi tracker with my Layla and soon my Layla 24s.
>>Steinberg, Logic, Hyperprism as well as others are already
>>writing for Be and if they are porting now they will be
>>native soon. Think of this how important in multitracking
>>in an os that boots in 30 seconds? Since i havent seen a
>>prog or a machine i count crash I'm thinking very.

brettsherman wrote on 2/24/2000, 8:15 AM

Testify, brother. I couldn't agree more. Lack of NT/2000 support with
audio hardware manufacturers is a huge problem. The first one that
comes up affordable hardware with solid drivers is going to get a lot
of sales. Here I am I want to buy hardware, but have nowhere to spend
my money. Basically, it's a lost sale for now.

>>If companies would get off thier developing
>>arses and start getting well-written (I stress well-written)
drivers
>>for NT, I don't think there would be any issues. There's also a
wide
>>range of supported HW for NT (RAID controlelrs, video cards, etc.),
>>which will give it the edge. .

karlc wrote on 2/24/2000, 9:33 AM

Amen Brother! Along that same line, I had just faxed MOTU with the
following:

"We currently own a MOTU 2408 system and would like to add to it but
still find it difficult to find answers to driver support questions.
Obviously, a factor in the decision to purchase additional hardware
will have to be influenced by that hardware's anticipated support of
current, released OS technology.

As a current purchaser of your product line, could you kindly advise
us, by FAX if possible, as to your plans to provide driver support
for Win2000 for your PCI324 card line? We would like to use that OS
with your products because of the multiple processor capability but
will have to look elsewhere if there is no driver support forthcoming
in the immediate future."

Here is the canned reply back:

"Our engineers are currently working on the drivers for the PCI-324
card which will support windows 2000, but at this time there is no
release date available."

I've been hearing this same old tired BS for months now. First
its "...we don't discuss drivers for products that aren't released
yet.", and now the imminently predictable reply above.

While not the best converters in the world, I do like the MOTU gear
for its versatility (yesterday we *easily* transferred data from our
DA-88s to ADAT for shipment to another studio for overdubs ... MOTU
makes that kind of stuff a piece of cake, even the wannabe janitor
could make it work.) However, if they don't get off their duffs, it
won't be long before we look elsewhere because we really want to run
Vegas under Win2000 on a multiprocessor machine.

KAC...

Brett Sherman wrote:
>>Testify, brother. I couldn't agree more. Lack of NT/2000 support
with
>>audio hardware manufacturers is a huge problem. The first one that
>>comes up affordable hardware with solid drivers is going to get a
lot
>>of sales. Here I am I want to buy hardware, but have nowhere to
spend
>>my money. Basically, it's a lost sale for now.
>>
>>>>If companies would get off thier developing
>>>>arses and start getting well-written (I stress well-written)
>>drivers
>>>>for NT, I don't think there would be any issues. There's also a
>>wide
>>>>range of supported HW for NT (RAID controlelrs, video cards,
etc.),
>>>>which will give it the edge. .

FP wrote on 2/24/2000, 9:35 AM

The dream of Be is a be-autiful one, but just that.

To the alternate OS pushers I say, "The grass is always greener..."

I'm all for the competition but neither Linux nor Be have a chance of
making a meaningful dent in the Mac / Windows world for at least a
couple of years to come.

Why? Who is really unhappy with their current DAW solution - whether
it is Mac or Windows? Why are they unhappy - I'm guessing its not
really an OS related issue. Beyond this, never mind companies, but
people are pretty vested in the apps they've bought. Unless companies
start offering REALLY attractive deals on trading in your current
version for a Be / Linux one it doesn't even make financual sense to
change.

I also respectfully disagree on the usefulness and stability of NT.
I've been running NT 4 with SF products for over 2 years and have
never had a problem worth mentioning that was OS related. With Win2K
you get full direct x support so everything other than software
samplers will run on the NT kernel now. I too await drivers for my
soundcard (a Wave 8), keeping me at NT 4 - Grrrr - but this is a
short term problem that will soon go away for good.

As to making systems crash at will - yawn - people talk about this
like its a trick or proves something. I can crash my car at will too
but does that really say anything about its worth?

I've hammered away at Acid and Vegas for as long as they've been
around. With good hardware and a clean system, they run great.

Long live NT.

karlc wrote on 2/24/2000, 12:49 PM

I own, or have an interest in, over 30 networked computers ... many
sitting on the Internet. ALL of them, with the exception of my
studio's Vegas DAW on Win98 because of lack of drivers for the MOTU
2408, are running NT. Both my wife and 14 year old daugher are
running NT on their respective home machines and aren't even aware of
it ... their machines have been not been rebooted since sometime last
fall despite the fact that neither of them are remotely computer
literate ... I can't remember the last time I had a complaint from
either one. My notebook has been running Win2000 Pro RC2 since it
came out (I ordered the upgrade last week) and I can state
unequivocably that it is the most stable OS I have used in 20 years
of daily, business oriented computer use, bar none!

I just wish MOTU would get off their duff's with some driver support
as I would love to take advantage of the stability I have
experienced, and the dual processor support, and use Vegas/Win2000
with our current hardware.

That, alas, has always been the problem with alternative operating
systems, including NT.

Long live Linux and may it prosper, but right now Windows, especially
with the release of Win2000 Pro, seems to work best for my needs.

KAC ...

F. Paul Lembo III wrote:
>>The dream of Be is a be-autiful one, but just that.
>>
>>To the alternate OS pushers I say, "The grass is always greener..."
>>
>>I'm all for the competition but neither Linux nor Be have a chance
of
>>making a meaningful dent in the Mac / Windows world for at least a
>>couple of years to come.
>>
>>Why? Who is really unhappy with their current DAW solution -
whether
>>it is Mac or Windows? Why are they unhappy - I'm guessing its not
>>really an OS related issue. Beyond this, never mind companies, but
>>people are pretty vested in the apps they've bought. Unless
companies
>>start offering REALLY attractive deals on trading in your current
>>version for a Be / Linux one it doesn't even make financual sense
to
>>change.
>>
>>I also respectfully disagree on the usefulness and stability of NT.
>>I've been running NT 4 with SF products for over 2 years and have
>>never had a problem worth mentioning that was OS related. With
Win2K
>>you get full direct x support so everything other than software
>>samplers will run on the NT kernel now. I too await drivers for my
>>soundcard (a Wave 8), keeping me at NT 4 - Grrrr - but this is a
>>short term problem that will soon go away for good.
>>
>>As to making systems crash at will - yawn - people talk about this
>>like its a trick or proves something. I can crash my car at will
too
>>but does that really say anything about its worth?
>>
>>I've hammered away at Acid and Vegas for as long as they've been
>>around. With good hardware and a clean system, they run great.
>>
>>Long live NT.

karlc wrote on 2/24/2000, 12:58 PM

With every generation that comes up the old adage below, from my main
frame days in college, needs repeating:

"First, buy the SOFTWARE that will do the job, then buy the OPERATING
SYSTEM that will run the software.

With damn few exceptions, that is the only way to *sucessfully* use
the technology ... instead of the other way around.

FWIW,

KAC...

Carl Edwards wrote:
>>Ok, here's the story. NT is not made for multimedia and
>>really isn't good at it either. Then again Linux is also
>>made to be turned on and left running. These are server
>>platforms and should be left at that. BeOs would be a much
>>better choice in the longrun and Sonic Foundry could well
>>benefit from the hardware like latencies that Be provides.
>>At this point I will prolly change to Be 5 and use the
>>Logic Multi tracker with my Layla and soon my Layla 24s.
>>Steinberg, Logic, Hyperprism as well as others are already
>>writing for Be and if they are porting now they will be
>>native soon. Think of this how important in multitracking
>>in an os that boots in 30 seconds? Since i havent seen a
>>prog or a machine i count crash I'm thinking very.
>>

jimkost wrote on 3/3/2000, 12:28 PM

hi all--i heartily agree w/ carl edwards. BeOs is indeed the wave of
the future. for the reasons of :1)preemptive multitasking-apps don't
hog the cpu. 2)pervasive mutithreading-instead of instruction sets
running sequentially, they'd run in parallel. 3)protected memory--it'd
be awesome to have a system stay up if an app crashed (bugs are a fact
of life and release deadlines...) 4) hardware agnostic-can run on
x86 and risc processors---last, (subjectively speaking) 5)it's really
for us mutimedia guys. sonic foundry, please port to beos. thanks for
your ears, guys.

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>With every generation that comes up the old adage below, from my
main
>>frame days in college, needs repeating:
>>
>>"First, buy the SOFTWARE that will do the job, then buy the
OPERATING
>>SYSTEM that will run the software.
>>
>>With damn few exceptions, that is the only way to *sucessfully* use
>>the technology ... instead of the other way around.
>>
>>FWIW,
>>
>>KAC...
>>
>>Carl Edwards wrote:
>>>>Ok, here's the story. NT is not made for multimedia and
>>>>really isn't good at it either. Then again Linux is also
>>>>made to be turned on and left running. These are server
>>>>platforms and should be left at that. BeOs would be a much
>>>>better choice in the longrun and Sonic Foundry could well
>>>>benefit from the hardware like latencies that Be provides.
>>>>At this point I will prolly change to Be 5 and use the
>>>>Logic Multi tracker with my Layla and soon my Layla 24s.
>>>>Steinberg, Logic, Hyperprism as well as others are already
>>>>writing for Be and if they are porting now they will be
>>>>native soon. Think of this how important in multitracking
>>>>in an os that boots in 30 seconds? Since i havent seen a
>>>>prog or a machine i count crash I'm thinking very.
>>>>

jimkost wrote on 3/3/2000, 12:30 PM

hi all--i heartily agree w/ carl edwards. BeOs is indeed the wave of
the future. for the reasons of :1)preemptive multitasking-apps don't
hog the cpu. 2)pervasive mutithreading-instead of instruction sets
running sequentially, they'd run in parallel. 3)protected memory--it'd
be awesome to have a system stay up if an app crashed (bugs are a fact
of life and release deadlines...) 4) hardware agnostic-can run on
x86 and risc processors---last, (subjectively speaking) 5)it's really
for us mutimedia guys. sonic foundry, please port to beos. thanks for
your ears, guys.

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>With every generation that comes up the old adage below, from my
main
>>frame days in college, needs repeating:
>>
>>"First, buy the SOFTWARE that will do the job, then buy the
OPERATING
>>SYSTEM that will run the software.
>>
>>With damn few exceptions, that is the only way to *sucessfully* use
>>the technology ... instead of the other way around.
>>
>>FWIW,
>>
>>KAC...
>>
>>Carl Edwards wrote:
>>>>Ok, here's the story. NT is not made for multimedia and
>>>>really isn't good at it either. Then again Linux is also
>>>>made to be turned on and left running. These are server
>>>>platforms and should be left at that. BeOs would be a much
>>>>better choice in the longrun and Sonic Foundry could well
>>>>benefit from the hardware like latencies that Be provides.
>>>>At this point I will prolly change to Be 5 and use the
>>>>Logic Multi tracker with my Layla and soon my Layla 24s.
>>>>Steinberg, Logic, Hyperprism as well as others are already
>>>>writing for Be and if they are porting now they will be
>>>>native soon. Think of this how important in multitracking
>>>>in an os that boots in 30 seconds? Since i havent seen a
>>>>prog or a machine i count crash I'm thinking very.
>>>>

jimkost wrote on 3/3/2000, 12:47 PM

it's interesting....how do you get around that catch-22? it's grass
roots, baby. those of us who know about BeOs have to spread the word.
also, folks, if you're feeling adventureous, use some of your
creativity towards programming/developing for be..they include ide
with every copy of the os...and i know you all are like "oh no, i
can't program..." but check out: home.beoscentral.com/npc...it'll help
with c++ and api's...even if you don't go down this route, it's good
to see this level, kind of like doing your own car repairs. imho, nt
doesn't really do it for audio...better stability than 9x's, but too
much legacy code...and really, doen't it suck seeing that hourglass
And that "illegal operation" nagbox...please....
Peter Ramos wrote:
>>I dunno, Be's been around awhile ... but it's still young. The
>>promise of Be has also been around awhile. I remember when they sold
>>hardware, I was strongly lobbying OSC (who sold out to Macromedia)
to
>>port their multi-track SW to it. I love their GUI (I hope they still
>>have that bad-ass CPU meter).
>>
>>**IF** Be got some more support from the public, I'm sure more
>>products would be coming out for it. I mean, just because compaines
>>have announced they're doing things for a certain platform, doesn't
>>mean stuff will come out anytime soon (if ever). But it is this need
>>(for more public support) that will hurt it. Especially since the
>>major "alternative" to MS OS' is Linux (and it's getting the
majority
>>of love out there). Be's got some love in the multimedia community,
>>but there's already proof that some is just not enough (see the
>>demise of the well-loved Amiga and Atari, which some studios *still*
>>use!!!).
>>
>>NT's pulling it off. If companies would get off thier developing
>>arses and start getting well-written (I stress well-written) drivers
>>for NT, I don't think there would be any issues. There's also a wide
>>range of supported HW for NT (RAID controlelrs, video cards, etc.),
>>which will give it the edge. I'm not saying NT's the perfect OS, but

>>it's getting the job done for me and it's costing me less than my
>>alternatives. But of course, this is all IMHO.
>>
>>You know, I'm with you ... I'd love to see a ProTools/Avid killer on
>>Be for a quarter of the price (that would, of course, include
>>hardware). But the day it happens is probably far away.
>>
>>Personally, I don't think Be has a shot ... with the Mac kicking the
>>processor speed of the G4s (yes, they are that fast!) and the
extreme
>>acceptance of FireWire drives ... the Mac is coming back into the
DAW
>>world. It's biggest cripple is the lack of hardware support, but
>>isn't that it's everlasting cripple? I see the Mac taking back a
>>little of what it lost to the PC-DAW revolution (esp. since
companies
>>like Gadgetlabs, Midiman and Echo are getting Mac drivers moving).
>>
>>The public's increasing awareness of Linux doesn't help either.
>>
>>I'm waiting for the resurgence of OS/2. hehehe -- I was one of those
>>zealots the other guy was talking about in the Linux thread.
>>
>>Don't hold yer breath for them Echo drivers either.
>>
>>;-)
>>
>>** These are of course, IMHO and not to be taken harshly ... blah
>>blah blah ... opinions are like blah blah blah everyone has blah
blah
>>one blah blah I have two **
>>
>>Carl Edwards wrote:
>>>>Ok, here's the story. NT is not made for multimedia and
>>>>really isn't good at it either. Then again Linux is also
>>>>made to be turned on and left running. These are server
>>>>platforms and should be left at that. BeOs would be a much
>>>>better choice in the longrun and Sonic Foundry could well
>>>>benefit from the hardware like latencies that Be provides.
>>>>At this point I will prolly change to Be 5 and use the
>>>>Logic Multi tracker with my Layla and soon my Layla 24s.
>>>>Steinberg, Logic, Hyperprism as well as others are already
>>>>writing for Be and if they are porting now they will be
>>>>native soon. Think of this how important in multitracking
>>>>in an os that boots in 30 seconds? Since i havent seen a
>>>>prog or a machine i count crash I'm thinking very.

Flatulus wrote on 3/3/2000, 9:25 PM

Some of you just don't understand. Imagine a system made from cheap
over the counter hardware with an os that cost ya $70 not $700.
Imagine an os that runs as many chips as you want and you didnt have
to pay extra (Win2000 adds multichip support as you spend more
money). The only drawback, you can't play Half-life on yer machine
thats supposed to be a DAW anyway big whoop. There is every reason in
the world to support Be. Be 5 will be out in a few days and there are
plenty of apps to test out there. Give it a chance. Emagic,
Hyperprism, Peak and Stienberg are supporting it, and others will be
there soon. This can work because Be doesnt sell hardware it sells an
Os, if you have good hardware in your box now IT WILL WORK, and your
sacred MSos will sit right there and let it. Yeah, it's a little
disjointed, but read it again and you'll understand it.

Mr. Haller are you listening?

jim kost wrote:
>>it's interesting....how do you get around that catch-22? it's grass
>>roots, baby. those of us who know about BeOs have to spread the
word.
>>also, folks, if you're feeling adventureous, use some of your
>>creativity towards programming/developing for be..they include ide
>>with every copy of the os...and i know you all are like "oh no, i
>>can't program..." but check out: home.beoscentral.com/npc...it'll
help
>>with c++ and api's...even if you don't go down this route, it's
good
>>to see this level, kind of like doing your own car repairs. imho,
nt
>>doesn't really do it for audio...better stability than 9x's, but
too
>>much legacy code...and really, doen't it suck seeing that hourglass
>>And that "illegal operation" nagbox...please....
>>Peter Ramos wrote:
>>>>I dunno, Be's been around awhile ... but it's still young. The
>>>>promise of Be has also been around awhile. I remember when they
sold
>>>>hardware, I was strongly lobbying OSC (who sold out to
Macromedia)
>>to
>>>>port their multi-track SW to it. I love their GUI (I hope they
still
>>>>have that bad-ass CPU meter).
>>>>
>>>>**IF** Be got some more support from the public, I'm sure more
>>>>products would be coming out for it. I mean, just because
compaines
>>>>have announced they're doing things for a certain platform,
doesn't
>>>>mean stuff will come out anytime soon (if ever). But it is this
need
>>>>(for more public support) that will hurt it. Especially since the
>>>>major "alternative" to MS OS' is Linux (and it's getting the
>>majority
>>>>of love out there). Be's got some love in the multimedia
community,
>>>>but there's already proof that some is just not enough (see the
>>>>demise of the well-loved Amiga and Atari, which some studios
*still*
>>>>use!!!).
>>>>
>>>>NT's pulling it off. If companies would get off thier developing
>>>>arses and start getting well-written (I stress well-written)
drivers
>>>>for NT, I don't think there would be any issues. There's also a
wide
>>>>range of supported HW for NT (RAID controlelrs, video cards,
etc.),
>>>>which will give it the edge. I'm not saying NT's the perfect OS,
but
>>
>>>>it's getting the job done for me and it's costing me less than my
>>>>alternatives. But of course, this is all IMHO.
>>>>
>>>>You know, I'm with you ... I'd love to see a ProTools/Avid killer
on
>>>>Be for a quarter of the price (that would, of course, include
>>>>hardware). But the day it happens is probably far away.
>>>>
>>>>Personally, I don't think Be has a shot ... with the Mac kicking
the
>>>>processor speed of the G4s (yes, they are that fast!) and the
>>extreme
>>>>acceptance of FireWire drives ... the Mac is coming back into the
>>DAW
>>>>world. It's biggest cripple is the lack of hardware support, but
>>>>isn't that it's everlasting cripple? I see the Mac taking back a
>>>>little of what it lost to the PC-DAW revolution (esp. since
>>companies
>>>>like Gadgetlabs, Midiman and Echo are getting Mac drivers moving).
>>>>
>>>>The public's increasing awareness of Linux doesn't help either.
>>>>
>>>>I'm waiting for the resurgence of OS/2. hehehe -- I was one of
those
>>>>zealots the other guy was talking about in the Linux thread.
>>>>
>>>>Don't hold yer breath for them Echo drivers either.
>>>>
>>>>;-)
>>>>
>>>>** These are of course, IMHO and not to be taken harshly ... blah
>>>>blah blah ... opinions are like blah blah blah everyone has blah
>>blah
>>>>one blah blah I have two **
>>>>
>>>>Carl Edwards wrote:
>>>>>>Ok, here's the story. NT is not made for multimedia and
>>>>>>really isn't good at it either. Then again Linux is also
>>>>>>made to be turned on and left running. These are server
>>>>>>platforms and should be left at that. BeOs would be a much
>>>>>>better choice in the longrun and Sonic Foundry could well
>>>>>>benefit from the hardware like latencies that Be provides.
>>>>>>At this point I will prolly change to Be 5 and use the
>>>>>>Logic Multi tracker with my Layla and soon my Layla 24s.
>>>>>>Steinberg, Logic, Hyperprism as well as others are already
>>>>>>writing for Be and if they are porting now they will be
>>>>>>native soon. Think of this how important in multitracking
>>>>>>in an os that boots in 30 seconds? Since i havent seen a
>>>>>>prog or a machine i count crash I'm thinking very.

jimkost wrote on 3/3/2000, 9:47 PM

right on carl, spread the word, brother....best, jk

Carl Edwards wrote:
>>Some of you just don't understand. Imagine a system made from cheap
>>over the counter hardware with an os that cost ya $70 not $700.
>>Imagine an os that runs as many chips as you want and you didnt have
>>to pay extra (Win2000 adds multichip support as you spend more
>>money). The only drawback, you can't play Half-life on yer machine
>>thats supposed to be a DAW anyway big whoop. There is every reason
in
>>the world to support Be. Be 5 will be out in a few days and there
are
>>plenty of apps to test out there. Give it a chance. Emagic,
>>Hyperprism, Peak and Stienberg are supporting it, and others will be
>>there soon. This can work because Be doesnt sell hardware it sells
an
>>Os, if you have good hardware in your box now IT WILL WORK, and your
>>sacred MSos will sit right there and let it. Yeah, it's a little
>>disjointed, but read it again and you'll understand it.
>>
>>Mr. Haller are you listening?
>>
>>jim kost wrote:
>>>>it's interesting....how do you get around that catch-22? it's
grass
>>>>roots, baby. those of us who know about BeOs have to spread the
>>word.
>>>>also, folks, if you're feeling adventureous, use some of your
>>>>creativity towards programming/developing for be..they include ide
>>>>with every copy of the os...and i know you all are like "oh no, i
>>>>can't program..." but check out: home.beoscentral.com/npc...it'll
>>help
>>>>with c++ and api's...even if you don't go down this route, it's
>>good
>>>>to see this level, kind of like doing your own car repairs. imho,
>>nt
>>>>doesn't really do it for audio...better stability than 9x's, but
>>too
>>>>much legacy code...and really, doen't it suck seeing that
hourglass
>>>>And that "illegal operation" nagbox...please....
>>>>Peter Ramos wrote:
>>>>>>I dunno, Be's been around awhile ... but it's still young. The
>>>>>>promise of Be has also been around awhile. I remember when they
>>sold
>>>>>>hardware, I was strongly lobbying OSC (who sold out to
>>Macromedia)
>>>>to
>>>>>>port their multi-track SW to it. I love their GUI (I hope they
>>still
>>>>>>have that bad-ass CPU meter).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>**IF** Be got some more support from the public, I'm sure more
>>>>>>products would be coming out for it. I mean, just because
>>compaines
>>>>>>have announced they're doing things for a certain platform,
>>doesn't
>>>>>>mean stuff will come out anytime soon (if ever). But it is this
>>need
>>>>>>(for more public support) that will hurt it. Especially since
the
>>>>>>major "alternative" to MS OS' is Linux (and it's getting the
>>>>majority
>>>>>>of love out there). Be's got some love in the multimedia
>>community,
>>>>>>but there's already proof that some is just not enough (see the
>>>>>>demise of the well-loved Amiga and Atari, which some studios
>>*still*
>>>>>>use!!!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NT's pulling it off. If companies would get off thier developing
>>>>>>arses and start getting well-written (I stress well-written)
>>drivers
>>>>>>for NT, I don't think there would be any issues. There's also a
>>wide
>>>>>>range of supported HW for NT (RAID controlelrs, video cards,
>>etc.),
>>>>>>which will give it the edge. I'm not saying NT's the perfect OS,
>>but
>>>>
>>>>>>it's getting the job done for me and it's costing me less than
my
>>>>>>alternatives. But of course, this is all IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You know, I'm with you ... I'd love to see a ProTools/Avid
killer
>>on
>>>>>>Be for a quarter of the price (that would, of course, include
>>>>>>hardware). But the day it happens is probably far away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Personally, I don't think Be has a shot ... with the Mac kicking
>>the
>>>>>>processor speed of the G4s (yes, they are that fast!) and the
>>>>extreme
>>>>>>acceptance of FireWire drives ... the Mac is coming back into
the
>>>>DAW
>>>>>>world. It's biggest cripple is the lack of hardware support, but
>>>>>>isn't that it's everlasting cripple? I see the Mac taking back a
>>>>>>little of what it lost to the PC-DAW revolution (esp. since
>>>>companies
>>>>>>like Gadgetlabs, Midiman and Echo are getting Mac drivers
moving).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The public's increasing awareness of Linux doesn't help either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm waiting for the resurgence of OS/2. hehehe -- I was one of
>>those
>>>>>>zealots the other guy was talking about in the Linux thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't hold yer breath for them Echo drivers either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>** These are of course, IMHO and not to be taken harshly ...
blah
>>>>>>blah blah ... opinions are like blah blah blah everyone has blah
>>>>blah
>>>>>>one blah blah I have two **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carl Edwards wrote:
>>>>>>>>Ok, here's the story. NT is not made for multimedia and
>>>>>>>>really isn't good at it either. Then again Linux is also
>>>>>>>>made to be turned on and left running. These are server
>>>>>>>>platforms and should be left at that. BeOs would be a much
>>>>>>>>better choice in the longrun and Sonic Foundry could well
>>>>>>>>benefit from the hardware like latencies that Be provides.
>>>>>>>>At this point I will prolly change to Be 5 and use the
>>>>>>>>Logic Multi tracker with my Layla and soon my Layla 24s.
>>>>>>>>Steinberg, Logic, Hyperprism as well as others are already
>>>>>>>>writing for Be and if they are porting now they will be
>>>>>>>>native soon. Think of this how important in multitracking
>>>>>>>>in an os that boots in 30 seconds? Since i havent seen a
>>>>>>>>prog or a machine i count crash I'm thinking very.