I have been using MIDI since its inception in '83 and I had one of the first
sequencing programs available. After many years using analog multitrack tape
and a Macintosh sequencer, I finally retired the tape decks and Mac and
switched to Cakewalk. This proved to be a very frustrating experience as the
MIDI and audio workstation functions definitely seemed to clash with one
another. I stuck with it for a while, determined to make it work but
ultimately gave up.

I am now going back to my favorite Mac sequencer and keeping the PC for the
audio workstation operations (in lieu of the more expensive ProTools which is
beginning to show its age). I have settled on the DSP Factory for the hardware
solution and I am leaning heavily toward Vegas as the software of choice here
because I have always liked Sonic Foundry's products and I really like the
focus on audio-only functionality.

If you are thinking seriously of adding MIDI sequencing to Vegas, think again.
There currently exists a plethora of MIDI sequencing solutions and most work
just fine alongside whatever audio recording equipment you care to use. This
approach allows the maximum flexibility in setting up a studio.

If, in the final analysis, you must add MIDI sequencing to Vegas, do so in a
second, distinct product and retain the audio-only version for old folks like
me...

Thanks.

Brian Woodard,
Toler Productions

---

Ian Duke wrote:
>>Is there any possibility that MIDI functionality will be
>>added to Vegas? Any suggestions on how to incorporate Vegas
>>into my MIDI set-up?
>>
>>Love the program, but want to be able to incorporate it.
>>Right now I'm using ACID and Logic.
>>
>>thanks

What version of Cakewalk have you been using?
From the looks of it, I tought Cakewalk 8 was promising, but I never had the
time to learn to work with it. If you tell me it's bad, I won't even bother.

So, I'm asking, which version were you using?

Stan

Brian Woodard wrote:
>>I have been using MIDI since its inception in '83 and I had one of the first
>>sequencing programs available. After many years using analog multitrack tape
>>and a Macintosh sequencer, I finally retired the tape decks and Mac and
>>switched to Cakewalk. This proved to be a very frustrating experience as the
>>MIDI and audio workstation functions definitely seemed to clash with one
>>another. I stuck with it for a while, determined to make it work but
>>ultimately gave up.
>>
>>I am now going back to my favorite Mac sequencer and keeping the PC for the
>>audio workstation operations (in lieu of the more expensive ProTools which is
>>beginning to show its age). I have settled on the DSP Factory for the
hardware
>>solution and I am leaning heavily toward Vegas as the software of choice here
>>because I have always liked Sonic Foundry's products and I really like the
>>focus on audio-only functionality.
>>
>>If you are thinking seriously of adding MIDI sequencing to Vegas, think
again.
>>There currently exists a plethora of MIDI sequencing solutions and most work
>>just fine alongside whatever audio recording equipment you care to use. This
>>approach allows the maximum flexibility in setting up a studio.
>>
>>If, in the final analysis, you must add MIDI sequencing to Vegas, do so in a
>>second, distinct product and retain the audio-only version for old folks like
>>me...
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Brian Woodard,
>>Toler Productions
>>
>>---

Brian:

Playing Digital Audio, recording Digital audio, editing Digital audio, mixing
digital audio, delivering digital audio: This is what Vegas is about.

I aggree with you on this one. Vegas is an audio editing tool, not a MIDI
sequencer. Lots of reasons for this, but mostly we don't want to be a swiss
army knife. There are enough digital audio features that will be added over
time that we would just clutter up the UI with MIDI features.

The other reason is that most if not all of the MIDI sequencers on the market
have been around forever. For us to compete with these tools would require us
to match them function for function. Even then, we would get blasted with the "
I can do this in CW", "Logic lets me do this...", etc, etc. Nope, don't want to
go there.

Don't expect any MIDI sequencing features to appear in the future.

(Of course, now that I have said this, MIDI will be in ver 2.0.) Peter Brian Woodard wrote: >>I have been using MIDI since its inception in '83 and I had one of the first >>sequencing programs available. After many years using analog multitrack tape >>and a Macintosh sequencer, I finally retired the tape decks and Mac and >>switched to Cakewalk. This proved to be a very frustrating experience as the >>MIDI and audio workstation functions definitely seemed to clash with one >>another. I stuck with it for a while, determined to make it work but >>ultimately gave up. >> >>I am now going back to my favorite Mac sequencer and keeping the PC for the >>audio workstation operations (in lieu of the more expensive ProTools which is >>beginning to show its age). I have settled on the DSP Factory for the hardware >>solution and I am leaning heavily toward Vegas as the software of choice here >>because I have always liked Sonic Foundry's products and I really like the >>focus on audio-only functionality. >> >>If you are thinking seriously of adding MIDI sequencing to Vegas, think again. >>There currently exists a plethora of MIDI sequencing solutions and most work >>just fine alongside whatever audio recording equipment you care to use. This >>approach allows the maximum flexibility in setting up a studio. >> >>If, in the final analysis, you must add MIDI sequencing to Vegas, do so in a >>second, distinct product and retain the audio-only version for old folks like >>me... >> >>Thanks. >> >>Brian Woodard, >>Toler Productions >> >>--- >> >>Ian Duke wrote: >>>>Is there any possibility that MIDI functionality will be >>>>added to Vegas? Any suggestions on how to incorporate Vegas >>>>into my MIDI set-up? >>>> >>>>Love the program, but want to be able to incorporate it. >>>>Right now I'm using ACID and Logic. >>>> >>>>thanks

Stan,

That would be Pro Audio 8. I've been using it since version 6.

Don't get me wrong. It's a great product and a lot of people love it. For an
old dog like me, however, it's too many new tricks.

My biggest gripe is the inaccuracy in mixing brought on by the use of the MIDI
sequencing engine to drive the audio controls. You do need more than 128 steps
on a fader...

Also, the controls are quite sluggish when used in real time.

You might want to give it a try and draw your own conclusion.

Brian

---

Stan wrote:
>>What version of Cakewalk have you been using?
>>From the looks of it, I tought Cakewalk 8 was promising, but I never had the
>>time to learn to work with it. If you tell me it's bad, I won't even bother.
>>
>>So, I'm asking, which version were you using?
>>
>>Stan

Peter,

Kudos! Couldn't have said it better myself.

(I can start breathing again ;-)

Brian

---

Peter Haller wrote:
>>
>>Brian:
>>
>>Playing Digital Audio, recording Digital audio, editing Digital audio, mixing
>>digital audio, delivering digital audio: This is what Vegas is about.
>>
>>I aggree with you on this one. Vegas is an audio editing tool, not a MIDI
>>sequencer. Lots of reasons for this, but mostly we don't want to be a swiss
>>army knife. There are enough digital audio features that will be added over
>>time that we would just clutter up the UI with MIDI features.
>>
>>The other reason is that most if not all of the MIDI sequencers on the market
>>have been around forever. For us to compete with these tools would require us
>>to match them function for function. Even then, we would get blasted with the
"
>>I can do this in CW", "Logic lets me do this...", etc, etc. Nope, don't want
to
>>go there.
>>
>>Don't expect any MIDI sequencing features to appear in the future.
>>
>>(Of course, now that I have said this, MIDI will be in ver 2.0.) >> >>Peter

Peter:

I know you guys are probably tired of us newbies and our failure to
grasp this subject, but it seems that on one hand you say that we
can't use cakewalk sequencing via MIDI to input files in Vegas but
the reason you, at this point at least, had not put sequencing
implementation in as part of Vegas is because you don't want to be
the end all-be all, and you don't want to knock Cakewalk (or other
software) out of the game.

I would like to use Vegas, but I'm so confused on how to do it. My
set-up is as follows:

Roland XP-10
Zoltrix Audio Plus 6400 PCI
Vegas
Cakewalk MIDI Music Pack

Thanks for you continued patience...

Jason

P.S. Tried to use the manual, but I feel there are a lot of holes
that need to be filled on either your or my part...Please help...
(step-by-step instruction, please?)

Peter Haller wrote:
>>
>>Brian:
>>
>>Playing Digital Audio, recording Digital audio, editing Digital
audio, mixing
>>digital audio, delivering digital audio: This is what Vegas is
about.
>>
>>I aggree with you on this one. Vegas is an audio editing tool, not
a MIDI
>>sequencer. Lots of reasons for this, but mostly we don't want to
be a swiss
>>army knife. There are enough digital audio features that will be
added over
>>time that we would just clutter up the UI with MIDI features.
>>
>>The other reason is that most if not all of the MIDI sequencers on
the market
>>have been around forever. For us to compete with these tools would
require us
>>to match them function for function. Even then, we would get
blasted with the "
>>I can do this in CW", "Logic lets me do this...", etc, etc. Nope,
don't want to
>>go there.
>>
>>Don't expect any MIDI sequencing features to appear in the future.
>>
>>(Of course, now that I have said this, MIDI will be in ver 2.0.) >> >>Peter >> >> >> >>Brian Woodard wrote: >>>>I have been using MIDI since its inception in '83 and I had one of the first >>>>sequencing programs available. After many years using analog multitrack tape >>>>and a Macintosh sequencer, I finally retired the tape decks and Mac and >>>>switched to Cakewalk. This proved to be a very frustrating experience as the >>>>MIDI and audio workstation functions definitely seemed to clash with one >>>>another. I stuck with it for a while, determined to make it work but >>>>ultimately gave up. >>>> >>>>I am now going back to my favorite Mac sequencer and keeping the PC for the >>>>audio workstation operations (in lieu of the more expensive ProTools which is >>>>beginning to show its age). I have settled on the DSP Factory for the >>hardware >>>>solution and I am leaning heavily toward Vegas as the software of choice here >>>>because I have always liked Sonic Foundry's products and I really like the >>>>focus on audio-only functionality. >>>> >>>>If you are thinking seriously of adding MIDI sequencing to Vegas, think >>again. >>>>There currently exists a plethora of MIDI sequencing solutions and most work >>>>just fine alongside whatever audio recording equipment you care to use. This >>>>approach allows the maximum flexibility in setting up a studio. >>>> >>>>If, in the final analysis, you must add MIDI sequencing to Vegas, do so in a >>>>second, distinct product and retain the audio-only version for old folks like >>>>me... >>>> >>>>Thanks. >>>> >>>>Brian Woodard, >>>>Toler Productions >>>> >>>>--- >>>> >>>>Ian Duke wrote: >>>>>>Is there any possibility that MIDI functionality will be >>>>>>added to Vegas? Any suggestions on how to incorporate Vegas >>>>>>into my MIDI set-up? >>>>>> >>>>>>Love the program, but want to be able to incorporate it. >>>>>>Right now I'm using ACID and Logic. >>>>>> >>>>>>thanks

Not tired of hearing anything....

I didn't say you can't use Cakewalk.(?).

I really don't follow what you are asking or trying to tell me.

Vegas will generate MTC or MIDI Clock. You can slave Cakewalk to
Vegas with the included Virtual MIDI router that comes with Vegas
Pro.

My point was that Vegas had to have a target when we released it. To
do everything all at once would have slowed the delivery of Vegas for
a long time. We chose a specific feature set and that is what we
delivered. Knocking Cakewalk - or any other tool out there - off the
map would be difficult, no matter how many features Vegas has.
Everybody has their preferences and likes a tool for whatever reasons
they have.

Vegas is currently an audio tool. It is also version 1.0. I am sure
that by the time we hit version 9, as CW has, we will be doing a few
new things here and there.

What holes do you need filled?

Peter


wrote:
>>Peter:
>>
>>I know you guys are probably tired of us newbies and our failure to
>>grasp this subject, but it seems that on one hand you say that we
>>can't use cakewalk sequencing via MIDI to input files in Vegas but
>>the reason you, at this point at least, had not put sequencing
>>implementation in as part of Vegas is because you don't want to be
>>the end all-be all, and you don't want to knock Cakewalk (or other
>>software) out of the game.
>>
>>I would like to use Vegas, but I'm so confused on how to do it. My
>>set-up is as follows:
>>
>>Roland XP-10
>>Zoltrix Audio Plus 6400 PCI
>>Vegas
>>Cakewalk MIDI Music Pack
>>
>>Thanks for you continued patience...
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>P.S. Tried to use the manual, but I feel there are a lot of holes
>>that need to be filled on either your or my part...Please help...
>>(step-by-step instruction, please?)
>>
>>Peter Haller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Brian:
>>>>
>>>>Playing Digital Audio, recording Digital audio, editing Digital
>>audio, mixing
>>>>digital audio, delivering digital audio: This is what Vegas is
>>about.
>>>>
>>>>I aggree with you on this one. Vegas is an audio editing tool,
not
>>a MIDI
>>>>sequencer. Lots of reasons for this, but mostly we don't want to
>>be a swiss
>>>>army knife. There are enough digital audio features that will be
>>added over
>>>>time that we would just clutter up the UI with MIDI features.
>>>>
>>>>The other reason is that most if not all of the MIDI sequencers
on
>>the market
>>>>have been around forever. For us to compete with these tools
would
>>require us
>>>>to match them function for function. Even then, we would get
>>blasted with the "
>>>>I can do this in CW", "Logic lets me do this...", etc, etc. Nope,
>>don't want to
>>>>go there.
>>>>
>>>>Don't expect any MIDI sequencing features to appear in the
future.
>>>>
>>>>(Of course, now that I have said this, MIDI will be in ver
2.0.) >>>> >>>>Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Brian Woodard wrote: >>>>>>I have been using MIDI since its inception in '83 and I had one >>of the first >>>>>>sequencing programs available. After many years using analog >>multitrack tape >>>>>>and a Macintosh sequencer, I finally retired the tape decks and >>Mac and >>>>>>switched to Cakewalk. This proved to be a very frustrating >>experience as the >>>>>>MIDI and audio workstation functions definitely seemed to clash >>with one >>>>>>another. I stuck with it for a while, determined to make it work >>but >>>>>>ultimately gave up. >>>>>> >>>>>>I am now going back to my favorite Mac sequencer and keeping the >>PC for the >>>>>>audio workstation operations (in lieu of the more expensive >>ProTools which is >>>>>>beginning to show its age). I have settled on the DSP Factory >>for the >>>>hardware >>>>>>solution and I am leaning heavily toward Vegas as the software of >>choice here >>>>>>because I have always liked Sonic Foundry's products and I really >>like the >>>>>>focus on audio-only functionality. >>>>>> >>>>>>If you are thinking seriously of adding MIDI sequencing to Vegas, >>think >>>>again. >>>>>>There currently exists a plethora of MIDI sequencing solutions >>and most work >>>>>>just fine alongside whatever audio recording equipment you care >>to use. This >>>>>>approach allows the maximum flexibility in setting up a studio. >>>>>> >>>>>>If, in the final analysis, you must add MIDI sequencing to Vegas, >>do so in a >>>>>>second, distinct product and retain the audio-only version for >>old folks like >>>>>>me... >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>>Brian Woodard, >>>>>>Toler Productions >>>>>> >>>>>>--- >>>>>> >>>>>>Ian Duke wrote: >>>>>>>>Is there any possibility that MIDI functionality will be >>>>>>>>added to Vegas? Any suggestions on how to incorporate Vegas >>>>>>>>into my MIDI set-up? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Love the program, but want to be able to incorporate it. >>>>>>>>Right now I'm using ACID and Logic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>thanks

Peter:

Thanks for answering my question so fast...I was up all night trying
to find out answers on how to sync up cakewalk to Vegas and I guess I
started to ramble...I just need instructions on how to put everything
together and I could not find it in the manual. Puls I thought I
could find some editing tricks that I could try.

one more question though about the XFX plug-ins and Vegas; in the
brochure it has asterisks (*) that marked what will work as track
inserts with Vegas. Does that mean that the ones that don't have one
won't work with Vegas or does it work as a special feature.

thanks again for your help

Peter Haller wrote:
>>Not tired of hearing anything....
>>
>>I didn't say you can't use Cakewalk.(?).
>>
>>I really don't follow what you are asking or trying to tell me.
>>
>>Vegas will generate MTC or MIDI Clock. You can slave Cakewalk to
>>Vegas with the included Virtual MIDI router that comes with Vegas
>>Pro.
>>
>>My point was that Vegas had to have a target when we released it.
To
>>do everything all at once would have slowed the delivery of Vegas
for
>>a long time. We chose a specific feature set and that is what we
>>delivered. Knocking Cakewalk - or any other tool out there - off
the
>>map would be difficult, no matter how many features Vegas has.
>>Everybody has their preferences and likes a tool for whatever
reasons
>>they have.
>>
>>Vegas is currently an audio tool. It is also version 1.0. I am sure
>>that by the time we hit version 9, as CW has, we will be doing a
few
>>new things here and there.
>>
>>What holes do you need filled?
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>>>Peter:
>>>>
>>>>I know you guys are probably tired of us newbies and our failure
to
>>>>grasp this subject, but it seems that on one hand you say that we
>>>>can't use cakewalk sequencing via MIDI to input files in Vegas
but
>>>>the reason you, at this point at least, had not put sequencing
>>>>implementation in as part of Vegas is because you don't want to
be
>>>>the end all-be all, and you don't want to knock Cakewalk (or
other
>>>>software) out of the game.
>>>>
>>>>I would like to use Vegas, but I'm so confused on how to do it.
My
>>>>set-up is as follows:
>>>>
>>>>Roland XP-10
>>>>Zoltrix Audio Plus 6400 PCI
>>>>Vegas
>>>>Cakewalk MIDI Music Pack
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for you continued patience...
>>>>
>>>>Jason
>>>>
>>>>P.S. Tried to use the manual, but I feel there are a lot of holes
>>>>that need to be filled on either your or my part...Please help...
>>>>(step-by-step instruction, please?)
>>>>
>>>>

You can sync CW to Vegas using either MTC or MIDI Clock. MTC is
probably the best as Vegas does not allow for tempo maps.

You need to install the Virtual MIDI Router that is on the Vegas CD.
I believe it is in the Extras folder. You then have Vegas send MTC or
MIDI Clock to one of the Virtual MIDI ports. (This is set up in the
Options property page labeled sync. You then set up Cakewalk to use
the same number virtual MIDI port as one of its inputs. Set CW to use
either MTC or MIDI Clock as its sync source. Enable sync generation
in Vegas. Press play in CW. Press Play in Vegas. CW will chase to
Vegas.

We have updated the XFX to work with Vegas as track FX. Only certain
FX with in the set will work as track insert FX. All of the FX in XFX
1,2, and 3 can be used as Assignable FX or as Main Bus insert FX.

Peter


Jason Rogers wrote:
>>Peter:
>>
>>Thanks for answering my question so fast...I was up all night
trying
>>to find out answers on how to sync up cakewalk to Vegas and I guess
I
>>started to ramble...I just need instructions on how to put
everything
>>together and I could not find it in the manual. Puls I thought I
>>could find some editing tricks that I could try.
>>
>>one more question though about the XFX plug-ins and Vegas; in the
>>brochure it has asterisks (*) that marked what will work as track
>>inserts with Vegas. Does that mean that the ones that don't have
one
>>won't work with Vegas or does it work as a special feature.
>>
>>thanks again for your help
>>
>>Peter Haller wrote:
>>>>Not tired of hearing anything....
>>>>
>>>>I didn't say you can't use Cakewalk.(?).
>>>>
>>>>I really don't follow what you are asking or trying to tell me.
>>>>
>>>>Vegas will generate MTC or MIDI Clock. You can slave Cakewalk to
>>>>Vegas with the included Virtual MIDI router that comes with Vegas
>>>>Pro.
>>>>
>>>>My point was that Vegas had to have a target when we released it.
>>To
>>>>do everything all at once would have slowed the delivery of Vegas
>>for
>>>>a long time. We chose a specific feature set and that is what we
>>>>delivered. Knocking Cakewalk - or any other tool out there - off
>>the
>>>>map would be difficult, no matter how many features Vegas has.
>>>>Everybody has their preferences and likes a tool for whatever
>>reasons
>>>>they have.
>>>>
>>>>Vegas is currently an audio tool. It is also version 1.0. I am
sure
>>>>that by the time we hit version 9, as CW has, we will be doing a
>>few
>>>>new things here and there.
>>>>
>>>>What holes do you need filled?
>>>>
>>>>Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>Peter:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know you guys are probably tired of us newbies and our
failure
>>to
>>>>>>grasp this subject, but it seems that on one hand you say that
we
>>>>>>can't use cakewalk sequencing via MIDI to input files in Vegas
>>but
>>>>>>the reason you, at this point at least, had not put sequencing
>>>>>>implementation in as part of Vegas is because you don't want to
>>be
>>>>>>the end all-be all, and you don't want to knock Cakewalk (or
>>other
>>>>>>software) out of the game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would like to use Vegas, but I'm so confused on how to do
it.
>>My
>>>>>>set-up is as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Roland XP-10
>>>>>>Zoltrix Audio Plus 6400 PCI
>>>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>Cakewalk MIDI Music Pack
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for you continued patience...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>>P.S. Tried to use the manual, but I feel there are a lot of
holes
>>>>>>that need to be filled on either your or my part...Please
help...
>>>>>>(step-by-step instruction, please?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Thanks again for the quick response. I think I have another obstacle:
When I set up the virtual MIDI router, it only has Win95 or NT. I
press enter anyway and it prompts me to Sfvmid.dr to open with
another program...any one that I choose it tells me that the fil
cannot open or that the driver is in use or the file has an
unsupported format. Also, when I have both CW and Vegas operating at
the same time and try to sync up, vegas tells me that the input
device "MPU-401" is in use in another application. Do I need two
sound cards?

I'll need your assistance again.

Thanks

Jason

Peter Haller wrote:
>>You can sync CW to Vegas using either MTC or MIDI Clock. MTC is
>>probably the best as Vegas does not allow for tempo maps.
>>
>>You need to install the Virtual MIDI Router that is on the Vegas
CD.
>>I believe it is in the Extras folder. You then have Vegas send MTC
or
>>MIDI Clock to one of the Virtual MIDI ports. (This is set up in the
>>Options property page labeled sync. You then set up Cakewalk to use
>>the same number virtual MIDI port as one of its inputs. Set CW to
use
>>either MTC or MIDI Clock as its sync source. Enable sync generation
>>in Vegas. Press play in CW. Press Play in Vegas. CW will chase to
>>Vegas.
>>
>>We have updated the XFX to work with Vegas as track FX. Only
certain
>>FX with in the set will work as track insert FX. All of the FX in
XFX
>>1,2, and 3 can be used as Assignable FX or as Main Bus insert FX.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>
>>Jason Rogers wrote:
>>>>Peter:
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for answering my question so fast...I was up all night
>>trying
>>>>to find out answers on how to sync up cakewalk to Vegas and I
guess
>>I
>>>>started to ramble...I just need instructions on how to put
>>everything
>>>>together and I could not find it in the manual. Puls I thought I
>>>>could find some editing tricks that I could try.
>>>>
>>>>one more question though about the XFX plug-ins and Vegas; in the
>>>>brochure it has asterisks (*) that marked what will work as track
>>>>inserts with Vegas. Does that mean that the ones that don't have
>>one
>>>>won't work with Vegas or does it work as a special feature.
>>>>
>>>>thanks again for your help
>>>>
>>>>Peter Haller wrote:
>>>>>>Not tired of hearing anything....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I didn't say you can't use Cakewalk.(?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I really don't follow what you are asking or trying to tell me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vegas will generate MTC or MIDI Clock. You can slave Cakewalk
to
>>>>>>Vegas with the included Virtual MIDI router that comes with
Vegas
>>>>>>Pro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My point was that Vegas had to have a target when we released
it.
>>>>To
>>>>>>do everything all at once would have slowed the delivery of
Vegas
>>>>for
>>>>>>a long time. We chose a specific feature set and that is what
we
>>>>>>delivered. Knocking Cakewalk - or any other tool out there -
off
>>>>the
>>>>>>map would be difficult, no matter how many features Vegas has.
>>>>>>Everybody has their preferences and likes a tool for whatever
>>>>reasons
>>>>>>they have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vegas is currently an audio tool. It is also version 1.0. I am
>>sure
>>>>>>that by the time we hit version 9, as CW has, we will be doing
a
>>>>few
>>>>>>new things here and there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What holes do you need filled?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Peter:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I know you guys are probably tired of us newbies and our
>>failure
>>>>to
>>>>>>>>grasp this subject, but it seems that on one hand you say
that
>>we
>>>>>>>>can't use cakewalk sequencing via MIDI to input files in
Vegas
>>>>but
>>>>>>>>the reason you, at this point at least, had not put
sequencing
>>>>>>>>implementation in as part of Vegas is because you don't want
to
>>>>be
>>>>>>>>the end all-be all, and you don't want to knock Cakewalk (or
>>>>other
>>>>>>>>software) out of the game.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I would like to use Vegas, but I'm so confused on how to do
>>it.
>>>>My
>>>>>>>>set-up is as follows:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Roland XP-10
>>>>>>>>Zoltrix Audio Plus 6400 PCI
>>>>>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>Cakewalk MIDI Music Pack
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks for you continued patience...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jason
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>P.S. Tried to use the manual, but I feel there are a lot of
>>holes
>>>>>>>>that need to be filled on either your or my part...Please
>>help...
>>>>>>>>(step-by-step instruction, please?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

Uh, yes, there are versions of the Virtual MIDI router for Windows 95
(or 98) and Windows NT. (?)

No, you don't need a another sound card. (Assuming that Vegas and CW
are running on the same machine.)

If you are telling Vegas to use the MPU-401, and you get the error
msg you are getting, then another program - most likely CW - is using
it as well.

Did the driver install? How did you install the driver? Make sure
that the driver is installed. There is a readme.doc file that
explains how to install the router. It is located in the
Extra\Virtual MIDI Router 4.0 directory on the Vegas CD.

These are the instructions provide for Win95(or Win98):

1. From the Start Menu, choose Settings then Control Panel.
2. Double-click Add New Hardware.
3. The hardware installation wizard that appears may vary
depending on the version of Windows that you are using. The Virtual
MIDI Router is not a Plug and Play device, so Windows will not be
able to detect it automatically. If you are given the option, choose
No when prompted to scan for new hardware.
4. Choose Sound, Video and Game Controllers from the list of
devices.
5. Press the Have Disk button and browse to the CD-ROM. The
Windows 9x Virtual MIDI Router is in the folder: Extras\Virtual MIDI
Router 4.0\Win95.
6. Continue through the wizard and the Configuration window will
appear. This window allows you to choose the number of MIDI Router
devices, up to four, that you wish to install.
7. After pressing OK you will be prompted to restart your
computer. You must restart before the MIDI Router will be active.


A explination of what the Virtual MIDI Router (VMR) does:

The VMR creates pair input/output sets of MIDI devices. What ever
MIDI you send to the Output of one of these devices will be input on
the corresponding Input device. The VMR can have up to 4 devices
created. Each of these will have an input and output. The different
devices are indicated by a number in front of the device name. So
lets say you configured the VMR to provide 2 devices. You will see
the following devices:

Output
1: Sonic Foundry MIDI Router
2: Sonic Foundry MIDI Router

Input
1: Sonic Foundry MIDI Router
2: Sonic Foundry MIDI Router

What ever MIDI data is output to "1: Sonic Foundry MIDI Router" will
be input on "1: Sonic Foundry MIDI Router" input.

Now assuming that it is installed correctly and functioning....

You need to set Vegas to use the Virtual MIDI Router as its output
device for either MTC or MIDI Clock.

So, on the Sync page of the Vegas Preferences:

Generate MIDI Time Code settings:
Output Devices : 1: Sonic Foundry MIDI Router
Frame Rate : SMPTE Non-Drop 30 (30 fps)

Note: I am using Non-Drop 30 as this is the default and easiest to
use with audio application.

If CW make sure that the the 1: Sonic Foundry MIDI Router is select
as one of your input devices. Make sure that you are not setting CW
to use the Sonic Foundry MIDI Router as an output device.

Peter



Jason Rogers wrote:
>>Thanks again for the quick response. I think I have another
obstacle:
>>When I set up the virtual MIDI router, it only has Win95 or NT. I
>>press enter anyway and it prompts me to Sfvmid.dr to open with
>>another program...any one that I choose it tells me that the fil
>>cannot open or that the driver is in use or the file has an
>>unsupported format. Also, when I have both CW and Vegas operating
at
>>the same time and try to sync up, vegas tells me that the input
>>device "MPU-401" is in use in another application. Do I need two
>>sound cards?
>>
>>I'll need your assistance again.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>Peter Haller wrote:
>>>>You can sync CW to Vegas using either MTC or MIDI Clock. MTC is
>>>>probably the best as Vegas does not allow for tempo maps.
>>>>
>>>>You need to install the Virtual MIDI Router that is on the Vegas
>>CD.
>>>>I believe it is in the Extras folder. You then have Vegas send
MTC
>>or
>>>>MIDI Clock to one of the Virtual MIDI ports. (This is set up in
the
>>>>Options property page labeled sync. You then set up Cakewalk to
use
>>>>the same number virtual MIDI port as one of its inputs. Set CW to
>>use
>>>>either MTC or MIDI Clock as its sync source. Enable sync
generation
>>>>in Vegas. Press play in CW. Press Play in Vegas. CW will chase to
>>>>Vegas.
>>>>
>>>>We have updated the XFX to work with Vegas as track FX. Only
>>certain
>>>>FX with in the set will work as track insert FX. All of the FX in
>>XFX
>>>>1,2, and 3 can be used as Assignable FX or as Main Bus insert FX.
>>>>
>>>>Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jason Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>Peter:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for answering my question so fast...I was up all night
>>>>trying
>>>>>>to find out answers on how to sync up cakewalk to Vegas and I
>>guess
>>>>I
>>>>>>started to ramble...I just need instructions on how to put
>>>>everything
>>>>>>together and I could not find it in the manual. Puls I thought
I
>>>>>>could find some editing tricks that I could try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>one more question though about the XFX plug-ins and Vegas; in
the
>>>>>>brochure it has asterisks (*) that marked what will work as
track
>>>>>>inserts with Vegas. Does that mean that the ones that don't
have
>>>>one
>>>>>>won't work with Vegas or does it work as a special feature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks again for your help
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Peter Haller wrote:
>>>>>>>>Not tired of hearing anything....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I didn't say you can't use Cakewalk.(?).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I really don't follow what you are asking or trying to tell
me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Vegas will generate MTC or MIDI Clock. You can slave Cakewalk
>>to
>>>>>>>>Vegas with the included Virtual MIDI router that comes with
>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>Pro.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My point was that Vegas had to have a target when we released
>>it.
>>>>>>To
>>>>>>>>do everything all at once would have slowed the delivery of
>>Vegas
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>a long time. We chose a specific feature set and that is what
>>we
>>>>>>>>delivered. Knocking Cakewalk - or any other tool out there -
>>off
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>map would be difficult, no matter how many features Vegas
has.
>>>>>>>>Everybody has their preferences and likes a tool for whatever
>>>>>>reasons
>>>>>>>>they have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Vegas is currently an audio tool. It is also version 1.0. I
am
>>>>sure
>>>>>>>>that by the time we hit version 9, as CW has, we will be
doing
>>a
>>>>>>few
>>>>>>>>new things here and there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What holes do you need filled?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Peter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Peter:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I know you guys are probably tired of us newbies and our
>>>>failure
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>grasp this subject, but it seems that on one hand you say
>>that
>>>>we
>>>>>>>>>>can't use cakewalk sequencing via MIDI to input files in
>>Vegas
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>the reason you, at this point at least, had not put
>>sequencing
>>>>>>>>>>implementation in as part of Vegas is because you don't
want
>>to
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>the end all-be all, and you don't want to knock Cakewalk
(or
>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>>>software) out of the game.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I would like to use Vegas, but I'm so confused on how to do
>>>>it.
>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>set-up is as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Roland XP-10
>>>>>>>>>>Zoltrix Audio Plus 6400 PCI
>>>>>>>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>Cakewalk MIDI Music Pack
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for you continued patience...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jason
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>P.S. Tried to use the manual, but I feel there are a lot of
>>>>holes
>>>>>>>>>>that need to be filled on either your or my part...Please
>>>>help...
>>>>>>>>>>(step-by-step instruction, please?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>