Subject:It says " BETA " right? lets add our two cents so they can get the sucker right

Posted by: PipelineAudio

Date:1/30/2001 4:53:00 PM

Lets just assume that this is what it is intended to be. A
BETA for users to comment upon and see how it is.

Just assuming ( and praying )

Lets all let the techs know what we think of this thing,
but in a constructive manner. This is the hopeful intent of
foisting this !@#$ upon us I must hope.

SF, you may not be listening to your users about vegas, but
I URGE you strongly, this Sound Forge is your flagship app,
and if you blow it on this one ( that piece of crap CD
writing thing, or no batch converter for instance), you
will prolly loose quite a few loyal customers. Wall St.
will probably notice this as well.

BTW I hope you havent layed off any of your skilled support
staff. Just can the ones that told me the peakfile drawing
problem was my video card and not a flaw in vegas ( which
is still there BTW )

Subject:Re: It says

Reply by: Rednroll

Date:1/30/2001 7:50:00 PM

Aaron, don't get your hopes up. When was version 4.5 first
released? Probably over 2 years ago? And this is there
answer to it? Professional audio people have been
abandoned just like CD architect in this release. Sonic
Foundry has realized that they are not a technology leader
anymore and are currently a technology follower trying to
catch up. They are abandoning the professional audio user
in favor of developing a 50 dollar, average consumer piece
of software that they can sell in every Best Buy and Office
Depot across the nation. That way they can let the pros
like digidesign take the cost risks in development and
they'll just develope what becomes popular with the average
consumer, like MP3. They'll now advertise this "NEW"
release, screaming about sample rates up to 192Khz with
32bit resolution...the highest in the industry and how you
can burn tracks directly to CD right from soundforge!!!
And the average consumer will look at this as being the
best, when the rest of the pros like you and me will shake
our heads in disbelief. Look at their current trends with
the releases of Siren, Viscosity and Video Factory.
Nothing but bullshit, 50 dollar software packed with hype
words that the consumer will eat up.

I've even noticed that Ted, has stopped answering posts on
this forum since this release and he's here responding
almost everyday on the Sound Forge forum. This is probably
because Sonic Foundry has laid him off, or he knows that
everyone complaining about this release is right and he's
embarrassed to reply. Don't worry Ted, you're not the only
one embarrassed over this release, I was just boasting
today at work, working with fellow employees, doing video
editing with Vegas Video and they were amazed by it.
Unfortunately I have to hide the downsides of soundforge, a
name they're more acquanted with.

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>Lets just assume that this is what it is intended to be.
A
>>BETA for users to comment upon and see how it is.
>>
>>Just assuming ( and praying )
>>
>>Lets all let the techs know what we think of this thing,
>>but in a constructive manner. This is the hopeful intent
of
>>foisting this !@#$ upon us I must hope.
>>
>>SF, you may not be listening to your users about vegas,
but
>>I URGE you strongly, this Sound Forge is your flagship
app,
>>and if you blow it on this one ( that piece of crap CD
>>writing thing, or no batch converter for instance), you
>>will prolly loose quite a few loyal customers. Wall St.
>>will probably notice this as well.
>>
>>BTW I hope you havent layed off any of your skilled
support
>>staff. Just can the ones that told me the peakfile
drawing
>>problem was my video card and not a flaw in vegas ( which
>>is still there BTW )
>>

Subject:Re: It says

Reply by: PipelineAudio

Date:1/31/2001 1:03:00 AM

What a bummer. This is what happens when big money does the
thinking. LAME

A parallel is in my beloved BMX freestyle. ESPN bought our
best contest series. They stuck the word EXTREME on
everything, cancelled the beginner classes, cancelled
flatland and mini ramps and gave us " street "...yeah, what
street do you know with ramps all over it? oh wait they put
a car in, ok, now that is soooo street !

I hope the best minds of SF get together and make something
right, under SF or outside it.

Subject:Re: It says

Reply by: Ted_H

Date:1/31/2001 11:05:00 AM

Hi Aaron,

Thanks for the feedback. I would like to encourage you to
send all feedback to betasf@sonicfoundry.com. Some of the
developers and product managers visit this forum regularly,
but using that e-mail address will ensure that your
feedback will be read by all who are involved. Thanks!

Ted


Aaron Carey wrote:
>>Lets just assume that this is what it is intended to be.
A
>>BETA for users to comment upon and see how it is.
>>
>>Just assuming ( and praying )
>>
>>Lets all let the techs know what we think of this thing,
>>but in a constructive manner. This is the hopeful intent
of
>>foisting this !@#$ upon us I must hope.
>>
>>SF, you may not be listening to your users about vegas,
but
>>I URGE you strongly, this Sound Forge is your flagship
app,
>>and if you blow it on this one ( that piece of crap CD
>>writing thing, or no batch converter for instance), you
>>will prolly loose quite a few loyal customers. Wall St.
>>will probably notice this as well.
>>
>>BTW I hope you havent layed off any of your skilled
support
>>staff. Just can the ones that told me the peakfile
drawing
>>problem was my video card and not a flaw in vegas ( which
>>is still there BTW )
>>