Subject:SoundForge won't play or edit 24bit audio files

Posted by: RoadKill

Date:11/1/2000 7:57:00 PM

ok hey everyone i need some help' im using Vegas Audio
with soundforge of coarse and well im recording multitrack
audio all live instruments, all in 24bit well when i want
to edit a single track i throw it over into soundforge and
well it has a box that comes up that says soundforge does
not support this sample bit rate , now what is that about
they have a program that can record in 24bit but their
editor doesen't edit 24bit but only 16bit do i have to set
it up difffrently or something....... please some one help!

roadkill@tampabay.rr.com Cory

Subject:Re: SoundForge won't play or edit 24bit audio files

Reply by: emorbius

Date:11/2/2000 12:22:00 PM

William Warren wrote:
>>ok hey everyone i need some help' im using Vegas Audio
>>with soundforge of coarse and well im recording multitrack
>>audio all live instruments, all in 24bit well when i want
>>to edit a single track i throw it over into soundforge and
>>well it has a box that comes up that says soundforge does
>>not support this sample bit rate , now what is that about
>>they have a program that can record in 24bit but their
>>editor doesen't edit 24bit but only 16bit do i have to set
>>it up difffrently or something....... please some one help!
>>
>> roadkill@tampabay.rr.com Cory


You're not doing anything wrong! You can't get SF to handle 24 bit
files because it doesn't handle 24 bit files. Why you ask? Good
question. This "state-of-the-art" media company is still packaging
it's line of products with an old archaic editor that hasn't been
updated in over two years. It's somewaht akin to George Lucas putting
out a high tech star warz episode using all the latest digital
computer animated technology except for the sojund, which is based on
Western Electric technology of the late 30's as seen in say, Gone with
the Wind. Pretty snazzy stuff for it's day but now hopelessly camp.
WHY they are doing this is somewhat incomprehensible to me, since they
seem to be deluging the public with new products on an almost monthly
basis. One gets the feeling they'll come out with a package to measure
the sonic properties of concrete before they'll update Sound forge. Oh
yes, every six months some SF rep on this forum dutifully informs the
readers that they are "working on it." One gets the feeling they're
using the same amount of urgency that the army used in "Raiders of the
lost Ark" in the movies final scene. Lately they haven't even bothered
to respond to queries or criticisms of the obsolecense of their
editor.
If you want 24 bits you'll have to go to Steinberg's Wavelab,
either that or wait for sonic foundry to finally update Sound Forge.
Don't hold your breath, or rather buy a scuba tank with a two year air
supply.

Bob

Subject:Re: SoundForge won't play or edit 24bit audio files

Reply by: mflorio

Date:11/2/2000 2:33:00 PM

Of course, this means nothing. There has NEVER been an 'official'
announcement from Sonic Foundry. These statements are probably just
the result of incidental lunchroom gossip between a support tech and
a programmer. It's not their fault however, as they probably have no
idea what's in the bosses heads.

I used to work for a software company that parallels SF in many
ways. We started small and became largely successful with one
powerful landmark product. The company started to grow very fast and
started to spend more and more resources on diversifying it's product
line at the expense of the flagship product. Competition eventually
caught up and the company got so bloated that NOBODY knew what
anydoby else's job was (or what the company's priorities were).
Basically the founders got power-hungry, thinking that they could
dominate any market they entered, since they essentially hit a
homerun the first time up. The result: mediocre new products and a
landmark-turned-outdated flagship product. Glad I don't work there
anymore !

Robert Gurske wrote:
>>
>>
>>Oh yes, every six months some SF rep on this forum dutifully
informs the readers that they are "working on it."

Subject:Re: SoundForge won't play or edit 24bit audio files

Reply by: emorbius

Date:11/2/2000 4:37:00 PM

Mike Florio wrote:
>>Of course, this means nothing. There has NEVER been an 'official'
>>announcement from Sonic Foundry. These statements are probably just
>>the result of incidental lunchroom gossip between a support tech and
>>a programmer. It's not their fault however, as they probably have
no
>>idea what's in the bosses heads.
>>
>>I used to work for a software company that parallels SF in many
>>ways. We started small and became largely successful with one
>>powerful landmark product. The company started to grow very fast and
>>started to spend more and more resources on diversifying it's
product
>>line at the expense of the flagship product. Competition eventually
>>caught up and the company got so bloated that NOBODY knew what
>>anydoby else's job was (or what the company's priorities were).
>>Basically the founders got power-hungry, thinking that they could
>>dominate any market they entered, since they essentially hit a
>>homerun the first time up. The result: mediocre new products and a
>>landmark-turned-outdated flagship product. Glad I don't work there
>>anymore !
>>
>>Robert Gurske wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh yes, every six months some SF rep on this forum dutifully
>>informs the readers that they are "working on it."



You are right of course that the SF comments on this forum are not
official company policy. But I do think it pretty lame that a
"multi-media" company has a 16 bit editor sandwiched in between all
the Vagas video/audio , viscocity, acid and whatever other programs
they have. To be honest at this point it's not massively impacting me.
I use DA-88's mostly and so I'm laying 16-bit tracks. However I'm
inching into 24-bit hard disk recording (so far I've just been using
my multi-track computer system for mixdown) and want to start getting
into tracking and for that I need 24-bit all the way through the
system.
The way SF has been releasing programs willy-nilly your above
scenario would seem appropriate. While all my early purchases were SF
products I seem to be getting away from them (I chose samplitude 24/96
over Vegas and may go with Nuendo over samp)because much as I tried to
like Vegas I didn't think it stacked up very well against samplitude.
But I do prefer sound forge's feel and interface over the more
advanced wavelab and would like to continue using it. Right now
wavelab's non-destructive editing, 24 bit support and live direct-x
streaming really makes it a much more efficient program. However to me
that is counterbalanced by SF's much easier wave editing and just some
of the dumb stuff wavlab has (or doesn't have, like not being able to
type in a numerical value for a silent space.) If SF had wavelab's
features together with it's superior interface it would be awesome.
I'd just like to see it before I retire.

Bob

>>

Subject:Re: SoundForge won't play or edit 24bit audio files

Reply by: Rednroll

Date:11/2/2000 7:22:00 PM

hmmmm...seems like I posted to this reply once and earned a
deletion? Well in any case here it is again, since everyone else
seems to have said almost the same thing I did.

The easy solution to this problem is to record in 16 bit and be
happy, or you can solo that Track and go to the "Tools" menu and tell
it to render to a new track and convert it to 16 bit, then be able to
open it in Sound Forge.

Yes, it has been rumored that the next Sound Forge release will be
24bit, but this had reminded me of the time when I wrote to SF
Techsupport asking for an updated driver for my Yamaha CDR for CD
architect and they promptly replied that my drive was in the top 2 to
be released in the next update. So I waited for 6 months in
anticipation, burning many coasters and then they just released a
news bulletin instead, saying they're discontinueing CD Architect. So
don't hold your breath on a 24bit Sound Forge, it just might be
easier for them to discontinue it, then to make an update. I'm sure
they're hard at work making some streaming Video web page development
software instead, that everyone will be able to buy for $99.

William Warren wrote:
>>ok hey everyone i need some help' im using Vegas Audio
>>with soundforge of coarse and well im recording multitrack
>>audio all live instruments, all in 24bit well when i want
>>to edit a single track i throw it over into soundforge and
>>well it has a box that comes up that says soundforge does
>>not support this sample bit rate , now what is that about
>>they have a program that can record in 24bit but their
>>editor doesen't edit 24bit but only 16bit do i have to set
>>it up difffrently or something....... please some one help!
>>
>> roadkill@tampabay.rr.com Cory