Subject:Sound Forge+CD Architect=Soundforge v5.0???

Posted by: Rednroll

Date:9/19/2000 12:28:00 AM

My gut feeling is that CD architect probably didn't sell
well enough on it's own. It will probably be updated in the
next Soundforge release and become part of Sound Forge so
you won't have to buy a seperate redbook CDR program, it
will already be part of sound forge and be a menu item like
it is now. They just seem to be following along to keep up
with their competitors. Steinberg's Wavelab 3.0 has all the
abilities of soundforge, plus it has redbook burning
within the program and you can also do multitrack non
destructive editing, something you couldn't do with the
combination of CD Architect and Soundforge, outside of
overlapping 2 regions. So my suspiction is that SF has to
change Sound Forge to have these additional abilities to
compete with that. I don't think SF is that dumb to just
kill CD architect, because that would eccentially kill the
sales of their flagship soundforge, because everyone would
buy Wavelab because it has all the essential tools you need
for doing CD mastering in one software package. I am in no
way boasting Steinberg, they're software has a lot of great
features, I'm a professional audio engineer and I have a
hard time trying to do simple edits with their products and
if a piece of software takes me a month to learn how to do
simple tasks, then it isn't very efficient for me and
probably will never be mastered by the home musician either.
SF user interface on all of their software is much more
intuitive and user friendly. So I would wait for the next
Sound Forge release before you jump ships to another
software company, and try and deal with the bugs for now.
Any Sonic Foundry reps willing to confirm my suspictions?

Oh and then let me look into my crystal ball a little
further, Vegas Video will incorporate things like realtime
automation and maybe even an outside hardware control
surface and become Vegas Video v3.0. Then after that Vegas
Video and soundforge will all get in bed with Acid and spawn
a whole new piece of software yet unnamed that will give you
multitrack abilities, with non destructive editing, with all
the specialize processing abilities of SoundForge plus the
realtime looping and tempo changing abilities of Acid.
Ahhh...for those of us who are already doing this with the 3
pieces of software and just a right click away this is not
too hard to imagine. Oh course Sonic Foundry will get their
moneys worth out of sales by selling all 3 pieces of
software first and that yet unnamed piece of software won't
come into production until Steinberg releases their version
of Cubase VST v8.0, which does all those things, and maybe
by that time you won't have to understand German to use
their software either?.

Brian Franz

Subject:Re: Sound Forge+CD Architect=Soundforge v5.0???

Reply by: pauly

Date:9/20/2000 11:46:00 AM

Very good! I have had these thoughts but was unable to put them all
together! All of these people bitching about SF..........non-pros!
i have used Wavelab as well and hate it! i think that SF5.0 will
have CDArch like you describe! I hope this is correct! Just getting
warm and tingley just thinking about it! I need help! Check out the
yahoos over in the Vegas forum!

Pauly

Brian Franz wrote:
>>My gut feeling is that CD architect probably didn't sell
>>well enough on it's own. It will probably be updated in the
>>next Soundforge release and become part of Sound Forge so
>>you won't have to buy a seperate redbook CDR program, it
>>will already be part of sound forge and be a menu item like
>>it is now. They just seem to be following along to keep up
>>with their competitors. Steinberg's Wavelab 3.0 has all the
>>abilities of soundforge, plus it has redbook burning
>>within the program and you can also do multitrack non
>>destructive editing, something you couldn't do with the
>>combination of CD Architect and Soundforge, outside of
>>overlapping 2 regions. So my suspiction is that SF has to
>>change Sound Forge to have these additional abilities to
>>compete with that. I don't think SF is that dumb to just
>>kill CD architect, because that would eccentially kill the
>>sales of their flagship soundforge, because everyone would
>>buy Wavelab because it has all the essential tools you need
>>for doing CD mastering in one software package. I am in no
>>way boasting Steinberg, they're software has a lot of great
>>features, I'm a professional audio engineer and I have a
>>hard time trying to do simple edits with their products and
>>if a piece of software takes me a month to learn how to do
>>simple tasks, then it isn't very efficient for me and
>>probably will never be mastered by the home musician either.
>> SF user interface on all of their software is much more
>>intuitive and user friendly. So I would wait for the next
>>Sound Forge release before you jump ships to another
>>software company, and try and deal with the bugs for now.
>>Any Sonic Foundry reps willing to confirm my suspictions?
>>
>>Oh and then let me look into my crystal ball a little
>>further, Vegas Video will incorporate things like realtime
>>automation and maybe even an outside hardware control
>>surface and become Vegas Video v3.0. Then after that Vegas
>>Video and soundforge will all get in bed with Acid and spawn
>>a whole new piece of software yet unnamed that will give you
>>multitrack abilities, with non destructive editing, with all
>>the specialize processing abilities of SoundForge plus the
>>realtime looping and tempo changing abilities of Acid.
>>Ahhh...for those of us who are already doing this with the 3
>>pieces of software and just a right click away this is not
>>too hard to imagine. Oh course Sonic Foundry will get their
>>moneys worth out of sales by selling all 3 pieces of
>>software first and that yet unnamed piece of software won't
>>come into production until Steinberg releases their version
>>of Cubase VST v8.0, which does all those things, and maybe
>>by that time you won't have to understand German to use
>>their software either?.
>>
>>Brian Franz
>>
>>

Subject:Re: Sound Forge+CD Architect=Soundforge v5.0???

Reply by: cptnfunk

Date:10/11/2000 10:35:00 AM

Great but is there any proposed release date for SF5 & will this
include 24/96 support?
I've used SF & Wavelab 2 in recording studios & within next 4
months want to purchase software for mastering. I much prefer SF but
unfortunately Wavelab 3 has the edge in features and value for money
if not stability.

SF - don't let Steinberg become the Microsoft of music software...
Cheers.



pauly wrote:
>>Very good! I have had these thoughts but was unable to put them all
>>together! All of these people bitching about SF..........non-pros!
>>i have used Wavelab as well and hate it! i think that SF5.0 will
>>have CDArch like you describe! I hope this is correct! Just
getting
>>warm and tingley just thinking about it! I need help! Check out
the
>>yahoos over in the Vegas forum!
>>
>>Pauly
>>
>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>>>My gut feeling is that CD architect probably didn't sell
>>>>well enough on it's own. It will probably be updated in the
>>>>next Soundforge release and become part of Sound Forge so
>>>>you won't have to buy a seperate redbook CDR program, it
>>>>will already be part of sound forge and be a menu item like
>>>>it is now. They just seem to be following along to keep up
>>>>with their competitors. Steinberg's Wavelab 3.0 has all the
>>>>abilities of soundforge, plus it has redbook burning
>>>>within the program and you can also do multitrack non
>>>>destructive editing, something you couldn't do with the
>>>>combination of CD Architect and Soundforge, outside of
>>>>overlapping 2 regions. So my suspiction is that SF has to
>>>>change Sound Forge to have these additional abilities to
>>>>compete with that. I don't think SF is that dumb to just
>>>>kill CD architect, because that would eccentially kill the
>>>>sales of their flagship soundforge, because everyone would
>>>>buy Wavelab because it has all the essential tools you need
>>>>for doing CD mastering in one software package. I am in no
>>>>way boasting Steinberg, they're software has a lot of great
>>>>features, I'm a professional audio engineer and I have a
>>>>hard time trying to do simple edits with their products and
>>>>if a piece of software takes me a month to learn how to do
>>>>simple tasks, then it isn't very efficient for me and
>>>>probably will never be mastered by the home musician either.
>>>> SF user interface on all of their software is much more
>>>>intuitive and user friendly. So I would wait for the next
>>>>Sound Forge release before you jump ships to another
>>>>software company, and try and deal with the bugs for now.
>>>>Any Sonic Foundry reps willing to confirm my suspictions?
>>>>
>>>>Oh and then let me look into my crystal ball a little
>>>>further, Vegas Video will incorporate things like realtime
>>>>automation and maybe even an outside hardware control
>>>>surface and become Vegas Video v3.0. Then after that Vegas
>>>>Video and soundforge will all get in bed with Acid and spawn
>>>>a whole new piece of software yet unnamed that will give you
>>>>multitrack abilities, with non destructive editing, with all
>>>>the specialize processing abilities of SoundForge plus the
>>>>realtime looping and tempo changing abilities of Acid.
>>>>Ahhh...for those of us who are already doing this with the 3
>>>>pieces of software and just a right click away this is not
>>>>too hard to imagine. Oh course Sonic Foundry will get their
>>>>moneys worth out of sales by selling all 3 pieces of
>>>>software first and that yet unnamed piece of software won't
>>>>come into production until Steinberg releases their version
>>>>of Cubase VST v8.0, which does all those things, and maybe
>>>>by that time you won't have to understand German to use
>>>>their software either?.
>>>>
>>>>Brian Franz
>>>>
>>>>