Subject:How to make WAVs sound louder?

Posted by: JBJ

Date:5/30/2000 5:08:00 AM

I would like to know how to make WAVs (for example grabbed
songs) sound louder with reasonable loss of quality (some
kind of mastering). I tried really hard to work
with "Graphics Dynamics" tweaking all presets and doing
everything I could imagine but the results are still not
worth it. The most problematic parts are beats with quick
attack. How can I make the songs (WAVs) sound at least
almost as loud as contemporary CDs?
Has someone any experience? Do you know how to do it in SF?
Or is there any good program for this?

Thank you very much for any idea.

Subject:Re: How to make WAVs sound louder?

Reply by: mm

Date:5/30/2000 5:31:00 AM

Johnny, have you tried the 'normalization' process yet? Give it a
try. It should be in your Sound Forge program. Also, if you want a
plugin: I suggest Waves NPP. It has L1 ultramaximizer, which does
just what you are describing! MM.

Subject:Re: How to make WAVs sound louder?

Reply by: MacMoney

Date:5/30/2000 7:35:00 AM

Hello Johnny
I agree with Michael,Try out the Normalization.if you are not
happy,check out Waves.I use the Waves Native Power Pack,It has L1
Ultramaximizer+ along with 7 or 8 very good plug-ins that also help
out in the mastering field. It gets your song levels up to -0.03 I
even use 0.0 to use the max the digital bandwith and levels. Go to
www.waves.com Hopes this helps and good luck.

George Ware
Mac Money Studio


michael mcgaughey wrote:
>>Johnny, have you tried the 'normalization' process yet? Give it a
>>try. It should be in your Sound Forge program. Also, if you want a
>>plugin: I suggest Waves NPP. It has L1 ultramaximizer, which does
>>just what you are describing! MM.
>>
>>

Subject:Re: How to make WAVs sound louder?

Reply by: JBJ

Date:5/31/2000 2:41:00 AM

Thank you for your sugestions. I have tried Waves Ultramaximizer but
unfortunately in demo mode it is not possible to process the file
(only preview) which does not help too much.
But I have also tried Timeworks Mastering Compressor and it works
exactly the way I want it!

Nevertheless I have another question. Is the result WAV the same if I
perform normalization (with Mastering Compressor) once (for example
6dB) or twice (2x 3dB) or three times (3x 2dB) etc.? I am not sure.

And the second one: if I have a little bit "dirty" WAV (noise, clicks
etc.) is it better to make the normalization first (and to make the
errors more obvious) or clean the WAV first and then perform
normalization (speaking of Mastering Compressor)? The problem is that
once I perform normalization I want to be sure there are no clicks at
all and if I should do it the second way (clean->normalize) I would
have to listen to the WAV at least twice...

Thank you very much for any idea.

Subject:Re: How to make WAVs sound louder?

Reply by: MacMoney

Date:5/31/2000 7:42:00 AM

Hi Johnny
I have the Timeworks Mastering Compressor. We've found it not as
clean as L1. For some songs we will run the levels very hot,
Timeworks cliped L1 did not.as far as applying the FX I've found that
you should never do it twice even with L1 it comes out dirty,I think
it's because of the Noise shaping and dithering. We always dither up
to 24bit with type 1 and use ultra noise. We played around with
Timeworks Mastering Compressor and then using L1 to get the brick
wall effect but it was not clean, So for the most part before L1 will
sometimes we use Renaissance Compressor or just L1 as the last step.
We get the Brick wall and it's very clean.
Take Care

George Ware


Johnny Richman wrote:
>>Thank you for your sugestions. I have tried Waves Ultramaximizer
but
>>unfortunately in demo mode it is not possible to process the file
>>(only preview) which does not help too much.
>>But I have also tried Timeworks Mastering Compressor and it works
>>exactly the way I want it!
>>
>>Nevertheless I have another question. Is the result WAV the same if
I
>>perform normalization (with Mastering Compressor) once (for example
>>6dB) or twice (2x 3dB) or three times (3x 2dB) etc.? I am not sure.
>>
>>And the second one: if I have a little bit "dirty" WAV (noise,
clicks
>>etc.) is it better to make the normalization first (and to make the
>>errors more obvious) or clean the WAV first and then perform
>>normalization (speaking of Mastering Compressor)? The problem is
that
>>once I perform normalization I want to be sure there are no clicks
at
>>all and if I should do it the second way (clean->normalize) I would
>>have to listen to the WAV at least twice...
>>
>>Thank you very much for any idea.