you cannot burn a high def format on a regular dvd. If you want to burn a high def blu ray disc, you need a blu ray drive, a blu ray disc.

John, you can indeed, burn an Blu-ray player compatible, AVCHD file on a standard DVD 5 using your standard DVD burner. You won't be able to play it on a standard DVD player, but it will play back on a BD player with recent software/firmware updates.
Tools | Burn Disc | Blu-ray disc templates

Yes, I did a 5 minute time line BD 60i burn to standard DVD a couple of weeks ago. I had no problem with it, played great in my PS3. Spot's advice on menu path is what I used.

When all else fails with Windows, reboot right before you need to do something important and see if that clears it up for you?

The error above takes place, since you use for audio Sony wave64 5.1 - unfortunately that is welknown by now. User the other possiblity instead - Dolby Digital AC3-Pro, that works fine.

Beside that bug, the timeline BD export works fine - and delivers 002 BDMV structures (without menu), that should be burned to BDs. It can be burnde to DVDs too, but be aware of following limitations:

- playback works only with BluRay players (thats clear)

- if you use a Blu Ray burner by now, the Vegas 8 export works fine for both mpeg2-HD but also AVC to BD-R. Be aware, that tests have shown, that the mpeg2-HD is superior to AVC at the moment, even with the best render settings.

- only some Blu Ray players are able to playback BD-Rs, some older players may need a firmware update, other will not playback self-burned material at all.

- only some BluRay players are able to playback 002-BDMV-DVDs as genearted from Vegas 8 Pro, some will reject that or will playback that only as data stream. For example, my Samsung 1400 accepts that material, but a PS3 will playback that material only as data-disk (what is possible if you have 60i material, but worse if you use 50i material, since playback takes place as 60i material from the PS3 only).

- the 002-BDMV-DVD is not (!) identical with a 001-BDMV-DVD (so called AVCHD-DVD), as generated by Nero 7.9x, Pinnacle Studio or Ulead Moviefactory 6+ with HD pack. Vegas is not able to generate such an 001-BDMV-DVD structure - so if you have a Blu Ray player, that does not support the 002-BDMV-DVDs, you will need another tool to generate AVCHD-DVDs (Uleads Moviefactory 6+ is fine for that).

- if you generate 002-BDMV-DVDs based on mpeg2-HD, please be aware that only few Blu Ray player will be able to playback that. The high data stream from the DVD will cause a stocking playback in many players. One possible help is to reduce the data rate - that is why Vegas offers also mpeg2-templates with reduced data rate. Other players will not accept 002-BDMV-DVDs based on mpeg2-HD at all.


Generally spoken, the export from the timeline of Vegas 8 Pro works fine - beside the wave 64 issue. Playback should be testet on your specific equipment, since the situation can change even with a new firmware update on the player side. In the long run, I assume that most users will switch to Blu Ray burners anyway.

To the specific question - when you have 720 24p material.

You would have to generate your own template, at least for Sony AVC - since Vegas 8b does not deliver such an template up to now. I have tried to do so - but unfortunately, the encoder seems to deliver material that shows up with black frames only, even on the PC. So, that does not work out - even if you can render for that material with the Sony AVC-Encoder standalone!

I tried to develop a blu ray template for 720 24p for the mainconcept encoder, too. That delivers a DVD, that can be played back with Power DVD Ultra at least on the PC.

I have no idea if your Blu Ray Player will be able to playback that material, but if you wish to try:

- go to file/render as/mainconcept mepg2
- take the template blu ray 1440 1080 24p
- change with custom the 1440 to 1280, and 1080 to 720
- optional: change the quality from 15 to 31, and good to best (in video). I have done that without such changes
- I have not changed anything elso, so I stayed with the variable bit rate, for example
- save the new template, maybe under "blu ray 720 24p"

- go to tools/burn disk/blu ray disk
- choose mainconcept mpeg2, your new video template, and dolby digital AC3 pro
- burn to DVD and enjoy.

As said, no idea if your blu ray player will be able to play that back - at least it works fine with Power DVD Ultra and the PC.

It plays back on Samsung 1440, but the full data rate seems to be too high for that player- what you see after 30 or 40 seconds. I had to reduce the data rate from 25 to 15 mbps, then it playes fine on my Samsung 1400 too.

Douglas,

I did all the above you suggested (created a new template with proper frame size and rate, etc..) saved it as FAITH and tried to render image again, doing it just as you suggested.

OUTCOME:

I played with the bitrates as follows:

1- Bitrate unchanged, still at 25 = same error message, rendering stopped at about 40% completed - image file failed to complete

2- Bitrate changed to 15 = same error message, rendering stopped now at about 60% completed - image file failed to complete

3- Bitrate change to 10 = same error message, rendering stopped now t about 82% completed - image file failed to complete

MY GUTT FEELING ABOUT THIS:

I noticed that regardless of the bitrate setting, vegas estimated the file to be the same (approx) 2.6 GIG - THIS SEEMS ERRONEOUS - Should a 10 min file with higher brps not be LARGER than the same 10 min file at half the brps?

If so then: Vegas is not guestimating properly and maybe the reason I get the error message is simply because 10 minutes will NOT fit on a DVD? Maybe when it renders the image it can tell that the image is now too large for a DVD?

I burnt a 15 second worth of my timeline at 25 brps and it took as much space on the DVD as the full 10 minutes (600 seconds) burnt in SD mode.

Which was about 15% of the disc surface, just gauging by the look of the DVD's back.

HAS ANYONE ON THIS FORUM BURNT A 10 MINUTE BLUE RAY DISC onto a regular DVD using the above route?

Can it be done?

What is the maximum length of footage you guys were able to burn using a regular DVD and the "Blue Ray" function in Vegas?

NOTE: Spot is the person who has requested for me to make this 10 minute High Def DVD. Regretably he is too busy right now to assist me but he seemed confident people on this forum (quote) "know how to do this and do it all time, without a problem"

He made it sound so easy :)... I did ask some of the VASST people about the error message and they had no answer for me.

I do not have a player to play this Blue Ray disc, and I am not sure what type of player he has, he did not say.

How much does a Blue Ray burner cost ?

The answer to your question is YES!

But you have to read the posints above - instead of CRYING.

Not even you find an exact template above, but also the reason for your error message.

And yes, you are able to burn something about 22 minutes on a 4.3 GB DVD (assuming a data rate of 25 mbps), and something about 40 minutes on a DVD-DL, using a good old fashioned DVD burner and Vegas8b.

i stand corrected, and apologize for not having researched before I inserted my foot into my mouth

Wolfang, I did read your post and you said:

"The error above takes place, since you use for audio Sony wave64 5.1 - unfortunately that is welknown by now. User the other possiblity instead - Dolby Digital AC3-Pro, that works fine."

However I do have Dolby Digital AC3-Pro selected when I get my error message. Hence the error message is not related to that specific option.

Glad to hear you can fit up to 20 min on a DVD.

At the light of the above clarification regarding the selected audio, what do you suggest I do next?

thank you

fldave, you suggested: "When all else fails with Windows, reboot right before you need to do something important and see if that clears it up for you?"

Yes, I did reboot my PC many times over the last three days. Good suggestion, although the problem was not solved that way...

Wolfang, you also said: "The answer to your question is YES!

But you have to read the posints above - instead of CRYING.

Not even you find an exact template above, but also the reason for your error message.
"

My previous post states that I copied your template and even tried several more variations of it and it did not seem to solve my specific problem. So, yes I read your post and followed the instructions given. I hope this clarifies things for you. thank you.

Faith,
Can you give a little more detail?
You say the render fails.
I think it's important to post a little more detail.

When you start the blu-ray render it first renders the video, then renders the audio.
Then creates a video file by muxing those 2 elementary streams together in a BDMV folder.
Then it creates the ISO image file and proceeds to burn the image file to a dvd.

The rendering of the video & audio is done in your assigned "Temporary Directory" under the Vegas Preferences settings.
The ISO file is done where you assign it to be.

I noticed that as you decrease the bit-rate the longer before the error occurs.
Are you working from only 1 drive? Or a small Operating System drive along with another dedicated drive? Do you see the video being rendered first, and then the audio?

If your using 2 drives go into the preferences and assign your temporary directory to a folder on the large disk drive.

For some reason sounds like your running out of disk space maybe.
Blu-Ray burning in Vegas (as of now) uses much more disk space than the actual project file size.

What are the settings for the prerendered file folder? In files/project properties?

Do you have enough space for the iso generated? Will be for 10 minutes about 1.6 GB or so.

I just rendered a 12 minutes iso, and burned that to a DVD - was about 1.8 GB, and worked fine with the settings above.

Faith posted:
25 = about 40% completed - image file failed to complete
15 = about 60% completed - image file failed to complete
10 = about 82% completed - image file failed to complete

82% is pretty close to the last frames of the video.
I would really double check the location where all the temp files are generated which is
the temporary directory we assign to Vegas under Vegas Preferences settings

NTFS or FAT32?

Could these problems be avoided if one had a blu-ray burner and a new blu-ray player? In other words, is the state of blu-ray such that one could produce a playable disk via Vegas and view it with the same ease as now done with DVD burners/players? Or, are there still pitfalls in that path that make the result questionable?

Thanks,

Dave

Dave, unfortunately the thread starter has not reacted any more.

But to my opinion, there are no general pitfalls in generating blu ray discs for blu ray players. It works for me fine with Vegas 8b, I have done that successfully for longer parts (e.g. by using mepg2 for 40 minutes pieces, but also for 40 minute pieces using AVC).

It can be done even without a blu ray burner, if you generate BDMD-DVDs, so BDMV structure that are bured on DVDs (see my posting above). That works fine especially for AVC, but also for mpeg2-HD if you know how to do that, and if you know your specific blu ray player. Because the question is more if your blu ray player will read that DVDs or not - what is not true for every blu ray player.

Given my own experience, I assume that there is something wrong with the PC or the settings of our threadstarter (whatever it is in detail; maybe the prerender folder was set to a partion, where he did not have enough space, but I do not know that really).

If you have Nero Showtime 4 with the HD Add on pack you can load the ISO image file and play it back on your PC.
I've also been able to extract the video from the ISO file using tsremuxGUI.exe or tsremuxer.exe by renaming the file from iso to m2ts.
I've also been able to load the ISO file into Nero Vision 4, seems to extract the mpeg or avc video from the iso file.

After installing the latest Nero 8 release, noticed that now when playing back avc/h264 video it's using my avc acellerator capabilities of my HD2600XT-Pro ATI video card. CPU usage is about 1%-2%. Previous releases of Nero showtime the cpu usage was much higher (q6600 processor).
You have to enable hardware acelleration in Nero showtime for this capability.

Thanks for the replies.

I'm going to invest in blu-ray hardware anyway. I just won't be making a lot of blu-ray disks until the price comes down.

I wanted to know if it would be worth also investing in Vegas Pro in order to make blu-ray or if the application is still buggy in that regard. If it is, I don't mind waiting until it gets cleaned up.

Is the process from Vegas Pro to blu-ray disk to blu-ray player on a HDTV straightforward? And assuming an entirely blu-ray procedure, would its success be dependent upon which particular blu-ray player I get?

Thanks,

Dave

Lurking here because I am trying to figure out how to burn a blu-ray disk my self.
I am using vegas Platnum 8d and when I try to do the following as recommended by Wolfgang:
- go to tools/burn disk/blu ray disk
- choose mainconcept mpeg2, your new video template, and dolby digital AC3 pro
- burn to DVD and enjoy.

I do not have the burn disk selection under tools. I have burn CD, not burn disk.

Is that located somewhere else in 8d?

Hi William, you have the little brother of Vegas, this thread and this particular forum address the full version of Vegas, now known as Vegas Pro. It is currently on version 8b.
I'm not sure if Platinum supports bluray yet, but it may. You might check the Vegas Movie Studio forum
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowTopics.asp?ForumID=12
for that info.

As David says: Platinum does not support blu ray up to now, you have to upgrade to Vegas 8 Pro.

Well Dave, to my opinon the process is straightforward, but if you are not familiar with it, you will have to learn some bits and pieces.

What you have to take care is, if your player supports selfburned BD-Rs (based on AVC or mpeg2-HD), or selfcreated BDMV-DVDs (based on AVC, or mpeg2-HD with reduced data rates). That is maybe the hardest task, and yes, you have to take care whcih particular blu ray player you purchase. But more and more player will be able to play such material in future, I can tell you that the Sony 300, 500, or the Samsung 1400 works fine with BD-Rs and BDMV-DVDs.

With Vegas it works without menus up to now - since the DVDA does not support authoring of blu ray structures. So if you wish menus, you will need other tools. A simlpe and cheep one is Uleads Moviefactory 6+, where you also have to purchase the HD-package, what was described here sometimes.

Ok, great. Thanks for the clarification.

By the way, I forgot the most important question. How does the blu-ray picture from a self-burned BD-R or BDMV-DVD disk look on a HDTV compared to a standard DVD disk?

Dave