Subject:i'm getting really impatient... (re: multitrack forge)

Posted by: bor

Date:4/30/1999 9:13:09 PM

>>No offense here, but 'pee all over ProTools?' As a full time sound editor, who uses ProTools
>>constantly, I can hosestly say that 'phoey'. ProTools is an amazing program, and it keeps
>>getting better. There's a reason it has a near 80% market share for multitrack editing
systems
>>(at least in Film, and it's probably closer to 85%).

perhaps this comment arises from blissful ignorance, but screw pro tools. sure, everyone talks
about how great it is. what good does this do when it was designed to run on a mac, a
completely inferior platform in just about every regard?

sure, pro tools is available on NT now. so what? i don't really want to use NT at home, i don't
want to use their proprietary hardware, and i absolutely demand DX support. i can't trust any
company that took THIS LONG to wake up and smell the burning apples with my studio's future.
i mean, come on, they had to promise it for two or three years before it arrived. it's obviously
not their first priority; how can i expect it to run properly? the prospect of waiting two decades
between updates is not something i enjoy thinking about. and i'm sure not going to spend a
grand on something that doesn't even give me the ability to use my own third-party hardware
and plugins, no matter how intuitive the fades are. mac users may enjoy the "freedom from
choice" in hardware that comes with the territory... not me.

>>Sound Forge is a good two track editing program, but the features it has won't necessarily
>>translate, or need to be, into a multitrack program. And lots of things are missing from SF
that
>>if you simply made it multitrack without reworking it would make the program useless (i.e.
>>Fades are incredibly counterintuitive and cumbersome on SF in my opinion).

i can't believe i'm hearing things like this, or things like "SF and cakewalk: the perfect
combination." again, label me knee-jerk, but multitrack implementation in earlier versions of
cakewalk was so backwards and shabby that you'll have to pay me-- heavily-- before i give it
another shot. this is NOT software that's designed for audio professionals; it's a sequencer with
multitrack tacked on as an afterthought.

the thought of a multitrack SF 5.0 has kept a little bubble of spittle at each corner of my mouth
for two years now. i'm convinced that sonic foundry is equipped to do it right. now i just wish
they
WOULD. i have to concur with you on fades-- but then again, the way it's done is very flexible
and precise for two-track editing. i'm sure this would change in a multitrack-optimized edition.
everything else about the interface leaves very little to be desired. they know what they're
doing. if they could do the same thing for multitrack recording, i'd buy five copies of the damn
thing just to say "thank you."

let the mac users keep their pro tools; pc users need something just as good on our end, an
integrated, intuitive, powerful program, not a gaggle of programs that have to be swapped open
and closed to accomplish what should be a simple task. and we *don't* need to be funding a
company that has far more interest in the "other side."

come on, sonic foundry... write some code, kick some ass, let's bury the mac for good... and
fast. we're all sick of fooling around with one program for editing and one for the actual
multitrack implementation. i have too many albums to record, and life is short.

bor@avalon.net

Subject:Re: i'm getting really impatient... (re: multitrack forge)

Reply by:

Date:5/1/1999 6:30:28 AM

I, too cannot wait for a multitracker from SF (even though I am
currently about to buy Cubase VST/24 to run with a Yamaha DSPFactory);
howver I have to take issue with a couple of your other comments.

I have always been a PC user (in the graphic design field, no less!),
but in the course of my work I have to use and integrate with Macs quite
frequently and the Mac is in no way inferior to the PC in "almost every
regard". This whole PC/Mac debate is so old and trite and stupid and
boorish. Anything that can be done on a PC can be done on a Mac,
anything that can be done on a Mac can be done on a PC, and anyone who
thinks any differently has no idea what they're talking about, period.
The Mac/PC division has come down to a simple choice of personal
preference - they are virtually identical in terms of performance (I
dare you to tell me you can tell a millisecond difference in a benchmark
performance test) and cross-platform compatibility has never been
better, so use what the hell you want and shut up about it. Don't incite
"the other side" with useless rhetoric that has no basis in reality - it
will just lead to a bunch of back-and-forth posturing that is completely
meaningless. It used to be only the Mac users with the elitist point of
view, but now the PC guys are getting into it as well.

As you can tell, this whole ongoing argument just rubs me the wrong way!

And as far as Windows goes, why would you want to stick with Windows95
or buggy Windows98 (also known as Internet Explorer 4) instead of NT? NT
is not just for network guys - I've been using it at home for years now,
and I can honestly say it's changed my Windows experience so much for
the better. Hardly any application crashes, and no OS crashes at all.
Granted it's a little harder to set up and administrate than Win95/98,
but it works so much better and if the user doesn't know how to
configure thier OS and machine then they're probably in for trouble
anyway. I would strongly suggest moving over to NT - I'm not so sure
about Win2000, though (I think I'll probably just keep NT4 for a while
and see how things progess).

Brian

Subject:Re: i'm getting really impatient... (re: multitrack forge)

Reply by: winogradoff

Date:5/1/1999 1:34:02 PM

me too.
Hey, Sonic Foundry developpers, we don't want to put you the pression, but i
totally agree with Bor, and i'm sure your newsgroup could be full with
messages like this one coming from all over the world.
Just forget your 1999 summer holidays and let us know what you're preparing
about the multitrack.
a SF fan

Subject:Re: i'm getting really impatient... (re: multitrack forge)

Reply by: James

Date:5/2/1999 8:29:34 AM

I hope the multitrack has support fot the Yamaha DSP Factory.
james

Brian Pylant wrote:
>
> I, too cannot wait for a multitracker from SF (even though I am
> currently about to buy Cubase VST/24 to run with a Yamaha DSPFactory);
> howver I have to take issue with a couple of your other comments.
>
> I have always been a PC user (in the graphic design field, no less!),
> but in the course of my work I have to use and integrate with Macs quite
> frequently and the Mac is in no way inferior to the PC in "almost every
> regard". This whole PC/Mac debate is so old and trite and stupid and
> boorish. Anything that can be done on a PC can be done on a Mac,
> anything that can be done on a Mac can be done on a PC, and anyone who
> thinks any differently has no idea what they're talking about, period.
> The Mac/PC division has come down to a simple choice of personal
> preference - they are virtually identical in terms of performance (I
> dare you to tell me you can tell a millisecond difference in a benchmark
> performance test) and cross-platform compatibility has never been
> better, so use what the hell you want and shut up about it. Don't incite
> "the other side" with useless rhetoric that has no basis in reality - it
> will just lead to a bunch of back-and-forth posturing that is completely
> meaningless. It used to be only the Mac users with the elitist point of
> view, but now the PC guys are getting into it as well.
>
> As you can tell, this whole ongoing argument just rubs me the wrong way!
>
> And as far as Windows goes, why would you want to stick with Windows95
> or buggy Windows98 (also known as Internet Explorer 4) instead of NT? NT
> is not just for network guys - I've been using it at home for years now,
> and I can honestly say it's changed my Windows experience so much for
> the better. Hardly any application crashes, and no OS crashes at all.
> Granted it's a little harder to set up and administrate than Win95/98,
> but it works so much better and if the user doesn't know how to
> configure thier OS and machine then they're probably in for trouble
> anyway. I would strongly suggest moving over to NT - I'm not so sure
> about Win2000, though (I think I'll probably just keep NT4 for a while
> and see how things progess).
>
> Brian