Subject:Mixed feelings

Posted by: SPW

Date:1/26/2008 7:53:47 AM

OK... I have bitched very loudly about the removal of ctrl+L mouse button zooming being removed from SF9 (which alone was enough to stop me using it) and therefore the re-instatement of it in v9.0d leaves me honour bound to say thank you. However.....zoom out full (R mouse button menu) is STILL broken, in that it zooms IN full, nothing has been done about that god-awful colour selection interface and why oh why on earth is the waveform greyed out completely when using fx or processes?

Subject:RE: Mixed feelings

Reply by: Kennymusicman

Date:1/26/2008 8:16:34 AM

I don't quite get you. Right click --> zoom --> out full (works a treat here)
r click -> zoom --> in full (also works fine)

with selection,
r click - zoom selection (also works).

So I'm not sure what is not working exactly. Please be more clear so I can double check I'm not being silly.

What;s wrong with the color interface? - not following you here.

Using fx. If using plug-in chainer, it's not change to "normal" editing. Using effects from the drop down, my waveform changes to a pleasant shade of dark blue, with my selection highlighting exactly what is happening - and I can clearly see the waveform. Can you post a screen shot of what you're describing?

Subject:RE: Mixed feelings

Reply by: SPW

Date:1/29/2008 6:55:58 AM

OK.... I have identified the circumstances in which Right click->zoom out full does not work. I am using a dual monitor set up and if the waveform window is solely contained in either display, then Right click->zoom out full works fine and dandy...BUT......if the waveform window is partly in both displays, then Right click->zoom out full will actually zoom IN full. An undocumented feature perhaps :)
Whats right with the colour interface?....there is not enough control..... I want an unselected waveform displayed as off-white on a dark blue background, ok...got that, no problem.....but I also want a selected waveform displayed as black on a pale blue
background ...and it can't be done.
As for greyed out waveforms when using drop-down FX or processes, the waveform is completely invisible. Perhaps that's a feature of the "improved" colour selection interface. I have some screenshots, but i'm not sure how to post them.

Subject:RE: Mixed feelings

Reply by: Kennymusicman

Date:1/29/2008 8:36:00 AM

what about:
options, preferences, display?
there's a whole choice of color preference selectability.

[edit: is it because you can select backgrounds ok, but only have a single color choice for data (both non selected and selected are same color)?]

Did a real quick test on zoom - not getting same behaviour at all - will have a better play later

Subject:RE: Mixed feelings

Reply by: ForumAdmin

Date:1/29/2008 9:33:54 AM

The zoom out issue with very wide windows will be resolved in 9.0e.

The new color controls are designed to reduce the number of settings required to get similar contrast behavior across multiple channels without having to touch several settings for every channel.

The waveforms are "greyed out" when using FX because they are indicating the current processing selection, which you can now adjust (as well as fade in/out curves) directly on the data window while the effect dialog is displayed. What you are seeing is the overlay color based on the channel color you've set in Display prefs, probably with very low saturation, so it's probably a bit grey.

To get the color scheme you describe, try something like this in Options->Preferences->Display:

Wave: Window Background - Hue 250, Saturation 100, Brightness 50
Wave: Selection - Hue 250, Saturation 20, Brightness 100
Wave: All Channels - Hue 250, Saturation 40, Brightness 65

Increase the channel saturation if you want more color and reduce the channel brightness if you want the selected portion darker. This won't be the greatest for channel selection without time selection or with FX overlays, as noted above, but otherwise should be pretty close. Note that the Saturation and Brightness for all channels can also be adjusted in "Wave: Data Brightness" if you wish to assign different hues for other channels.

J.

Subject:RE: Mixed feelings

Reply by: SPW

Date:1/29/2008 12:49:31 PM

Thanks for your response, which i'll address a point at a time:

>"The zoom out issue with very wide windows will be resolved in 9.0e."

Thank you (although this has been a "feature" from day one of SF9)

>"The new color controls are designed to reduce the number of settings required to get similar contrast behavior across multiple channels without having to touch several settings for every channel"

Be that as it may, reduced settings = less control.


>"The waveforms are "greyed out" when using FX because they are indicating the current processing selection, which you can now adjust (as well as fade in/out curves) directly on the data window while the effect dialog is displayed. What you are seeing is the overlay color based on the channel color you've set in Display prefs, probably with very low saturation, so it's probably a bit grey"

Yes, that is the reason it's grey...but more than a bit grey....it 's ALL grey

>"To get the color scheme you describe, try something like this....SNIP"

I tried your settings and tweaks but I'm sorry, they don't even come close. If you fire up SF8 and use the following, you'll see what i'm after...and I re-itereate...it cannot be done with SF9.

Normal Data Left (and Right)
R = 230 G = 230 B = 230

Normal Data Selected Left (and Right)
R = 0 G = 0 B = 0

Normal Window Background
R = 0 G = 0 B = 100

Normal Selected Background
R = 0 G = 199 B = 255

Subject:RE: Mixed feelings

Reply by: SPW

Date:2/3/2008 8:38:12 AM

It has gone noticably quite on this subject.

Subject:RE: Mixed feelings

Reply by: rraud

Date:2/3/2008 9:57:03 AM

I prefer the former color display control as well. A minor annoyance... but SF9 seems to have many minor & major annoyances. (my two cents)