Subject:Foot controller envelope.

Posted by: Rosebud

Date:12/8/2007 12:55:42 AM

I’m new to Acid Pro 6 (demo at this time).
With Midi records (from a Roland SPD20), AP6 draws a Foot Controller envelope.
I can hide this envelope after the record (in Track properties), but I found no way to hide this envelope while recording.

Is there a way to hide this envelope while recording ?

Thx for your help

Subject:RE: Foot controller envelope.

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/8/2007 2:25:45 PM

No. When you record new data it will always be displayed to let you know that it is being recorded.

I assume you want to record it.

Peter

Subject:RE: Foot controller envelope.

Reply by: Rosebud

Date:12/9/2007 1:22:30 AM

Thank you Peter.

Yes, I want to record it but with this envelope, the display become very unclear and it is very difficult to edit Event.
The workaround I found is to reduce track height and set “Min Track Height for Envelope” to 75 in internal preferences.

Subject:RE: Foot controller envelope.

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/9/2007 11:13:33 AM

You really cannot edit while recording. (Limited stuff.)

Why not hide the envelope after recording?

>>The workaround I found is to reduce track height and set “Min Track Height for Envelope” to 75 in internal preferences

What does this solve?

Peter

Subject:RE: Foot controller envelope.

Reply by: Rosebud

Date:12/9/2007 11:29:02 AM

Naturally, I edit after recording.
But the foot controller envelope have many many points that make uneasy to select and edit event.
Yes, I can hide the envelope after recording but I have to do that after each record and there is no shortcut.
With my workaround, the envelope is recorded but not displayed.

Subject:RE: Foot controller envelope.

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/9/2007 8:00:15 PM

Again, displaying the envelope during recording is so there is feedback on what is recorded.

I will look into a mode to 'auto hide' recorded envelopes as an option after recording as well as assigning keyboard command to show/hide envelopes. Not for ACID 6, but as a _possible_ enhancment for a new version of ACID.

FWIW:

-Record.
-Stop Recording.
-Hide envelope.
-Edit.

I do not see this as a bad workflow. To me it is more important to know that something is recorded than not.

Peter

Subject:RE: Foot controller envelope.

Reply by: Rosebud

Date:12/9/2007 10:40:01 PM

I agree with you, this is not a bad workflow.
But with a SPD20 multipad, the foot controller envelope have many points (HH controller).
A picture will explain more than I can do it (English is not my native language):



With this type of envelope, it is very difficult to select and edit event.
I think a simple button (and shortcut) “Show/Hide envelope” should be useful.

Thx

Subject:RE: Foot controller envelope.

Reply by: PeterWright

Date:12/9/2007 11:15:59 PM

In Preferences / External Control & Automation / You can check "Smooth & thin automation data after recording. That should get rid of the "lumps".

Subject:RE: Foot controller envelope.

Reply by: Rosebud

Date:12/10/2007 12:37:55 AM

Thx Peter, this option is already checked.
And in fact, enable or not, this make no difference (certainly because the foot controller generate only Hold type curve for the envelope).

Subject:RE: Foot controller envelope.

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/10/2007 7:15:25 AM

Yes, I would agree that it is difficult to select and edit note data in this case.

You can set up a single button on the track. Just make sure that one of the current MIDI faders on the track left area is showing the MIDI msg type. The envelope button becomes a toggle for that particular envelope when the envelope exists on the time line. Since you seem to be recording this all the time, just configure it before (or after) your record.

It would be very difficult to assign a different keyboard short cut to each possible MIDI env. At best it would be a global show/hide all. With the track level MIDI faders you will get a single button.

You may want to zoom in a bit. You are really zoomed in tight here.

Thinning the data may also help, but this depends on the type of data this is.

Peter