Subject:beats in 3/4

Posted by: locdaddy

Date:4/3/2000 1:55:00 PM

I have some songs written in the 3/4 tempo and not the 4/4
that all the loops on my CD are. Is there a way to alter that.
Or better yet, do the more complete loops CDs contain beats
actually recorded in 3/4?

Subject:Re: beats in 3/4

Reply by: ATP

Date:4/4/2000 12:48:00 PM

I've tried creating a song in Acid in 3/4....it sucked. Acid just
can't handle anything other than 4/4, as I found out when I tried to
use 3/4 loops.
Sure, you can cut the loop down to three counts and all that, but it
just doesn't FEEL like a genuine 3/4 song.

BTW, if you DO succeed in making a 3/4 song (and not something like
12/8, which is basically the same as 4/4) please let me know. I'd
like to hear it!


Anthony Cho wrote:
>>I have some songs written in the 3/4 tempo and not the 4/4
>>that all the loops on my CD are. Is there a way to alter that.
>>Or better yet, do the more complete loops CDs contain beats
>>actually recorded in 3/4?

Subject:Re: beats in 3/4

Reply by: madscientist

Date:4/4/2000 10:37:00 PM

Okay, I actually called tech support about this one earlier today
because I was having a problem with it in acid pro and I've done it
before in acid ph1 or acid music, whatever you want to call it.
This is the deal with 3/4. I figured it out before the long distance
tech support guy could figure it out. You can make beats, I've never
seen anyone sell them on a CD but then, I usually make my own beats,
I don't buy them. This is how it works, for example (BD stands for
bass drum, HH stands for high hat or ride cymbal):
BD - -
HH ------ If you line up your samples (your program should of come
with some, also you can download a ton of them off the internet for
free) like this, and set the loop to it, you will be able to mix it
down to a track and have it loop as a waltz, or 3/4 time. Note that
in the sequence example I showed above, there are 6 beats, not 3. If
you do a loop with 3 beats, the tempo will be all screwed up on it.
I know this is probably real confusing. Like I said though, I did it
about a year ago. The song is on my website at
www.mp3.com/madscientists. ATP wanted to hear it. If you have any
questions, you could email me from the webpage.


ATP wrote:
>>I've tried creating a song in Acid in 3/4....it sucked. Acid just
>>can't handle anything other than 4/4, as I found out when I tried
to
>>use 3/4 loops.
>>Sure, you can cut the loop down to three counts and all that, but
it
>>just doesn't FEEL like a genuine 3/4 song.
>>
>>BTW, if you DO succeed in making a 3/4 song (and not something like
>>12/8, which is basically the same as 4/4) please let me know. I'd
>>like to hear it!
>>
>>
>>Anthony Cho wrote:
>>>>I have some songs written in the 3/4 tempo and not the 4/4
>>>>that all the loops on my CD are. Is there a way to alter that.
>>>>Or better yet, do the more complete loops CDs contain beats
>>>>actually recorded in 3/4?
>>

Subject:Re: beats in 3/4

Reply by: ATP

Date:4/5/2000 4:02:00 PM

BD: - -
HH: ------

Ok, this'll work, as I already figured out. BUT, what if i wanted to
make the hihat play twice as fast?

That's where the trouble begins...see, Acid can't handle this since
it is a 4/4 based program. I mean, it can of course physically double
the events, but I've experienced that it won't sync properly with a
classical 3/4 loop. The 'in-between' hihats are terribly off the mark.

I've given thought to doubling the song-tempo, but I doubt it'll help.

Then again, why am I whining about this? If I really want to make 3/4
songs I should just use another sequencer, right? Something like
Cubase perhaps...ah, well...


jesse wrote:
>>Okay, I actually called tech support about this one earlier today
>>because I was having a problem with it in acid pro and I've done it
>>before in acid ph1 or acid music, whatever you want to call it.
>>This is the deal with 3/4. I figured it out before the long
distance
>>tech support guy could figure it out. You can make beats, I've
never
>>seen anyone sell them on a CD but then, I usually make my own
beats,
>>I don't buy them. This is how it works, for example (BD stands for
>>bass drum, HH stands for high hat or ride cymbal):
>>BD - -
>>HH ------ If you line up your samples (your program should of come
>>with some, also you can download a ton of them off the internet for
>>free) like this, and set the loop to it, you will be able to mix it
>>down to a track and have it loop as a waltz, or 3/4 time. Note
that
>>in the sequence example I showed above, there are 6 beats, not 3.
If
>>you do a loop with 3 beats, the tempo will be all screwed up on
it.
>>I know this is probably real confusing. Like I said though, I did
it
>>about a year ago. The song is on my website at
>>www.mp3.com/madscientists. ATP wanted to hear it. If you have any
>>questions, you could email me from the webpage.
>>
>>
>>ATP wrote:
>>>>I've tried creating a song in Acid in 3/4....it sucked. Acid just
>>>>can't handle anything other than 4/4, as I found out when I tried
>>to
>>>>use 3/4 loops.
>>>>Sure, you can cut the loop down to three counts and all that, but
>>it
>>>>just doesn't FEEL like a genuine 3/4 song.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, if you DO succeed in making a 3/4 song (and not something
like
>>>>12/8, which is basically the same as 4/4) please let me know. I'd
>>>>like to hear it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Anthony Cho wrote:
>>>>>>I have some songs written in the 3/4 tempo and not the 4/4
>>>>>>that all the loops on my CD are. Is there a way to alter
that.
>>>>>>Or better yet, do the more complete loops CDs contain beats
>>>>>>actually recorded in 3/4?
>>>>

Subject:Re: beats in 3/4

Reply by: madscientist

Date:4/5/2000 10:28:00 PM

Alright, you got me on a mission. I'm either going to figure out how
to do that or give up. It's one or the other. But either way,
you'll know if I figure it out or not. Here I go. Hope you found
that song alright. As far as how I feel about other sequencers, it
means spending the same money you spent on Acid for another program
that probably has the same problem. Personally, I've seen this issue
addressed a few times in this forum and think that Sonic Foundry
needs to get their butts moving making it have all those funny little
notes that we need to make the beats we want. Because then it really
would be the best thing out there, I think. Haven't really checked
much else out. Haven't had the need to.
Take care Acid. Jess. www.mp3.com/madscientists

ATP wrote:
>>BD: - -
>>HH: ------
>>
>>Ok, this'll work, as I already figured out. BUT, what if i wanted
to
>>make the hihat play twice as fast?
>>
>>That's where the trouble begins...see, Acid can't handle this since
>>it is a 4/4 based program. I mean, it can of course physically
double
>>the events, but I've experienced that it won't sync properly with a
>>classical 3/4 loop. The 'in-between' hihats are terribly off the
mark.
>>
>>I've given thought to doubling the song-tempo, but I doubt it'll
help.
>>
>>Then again, why am I whining about this? If I really want to make
3/4
>>songs I should just use another sequencer, right? Something like
>>Cubase perhaps...ah, well...
>>
>>
>>jesse wrote:
>>>>Okay, I actually called tech support about this one earlier today
>>>>because I was having a problem with it in acid pro and I've done
it
>>>>before in acid ph1 or acid music, whatever you want to call it.
>>>>This is the deal with 3/4. I figured it out before the long
>>distance
>>>>tech support guy could figure it out. You can make beats, I've
>>never
>>>>seen anyone sell them on a CD but then, I usually make my own
>>beats,
>>>>I don't buy them. This is how it works, for example (BD stands
for
>>>>bass drum, HH stands for high hat or ride cymbal):
>>>>BD - -
>>>>HH ------ If you line up your samples (your program should of
come
>>>>with some, also you can download a ton of them off the internet
for
>>>>free) like this, and set the loop to it, you will be able to mix
it
>>>>down to a track and have it loop as a waltz, or 3/4 time. Note
>>that
>>>>in the sequence example I showed above, there are 6 beats, not
3.
>>If
>>>>you do a loop with 3 beats, the tempo will be all screwed up on
>>it.
>>>>I know this is probably real confusing. Like I said though, I
did
>>it
>>>>about a year ago. The song is on my website at
>>>>www.mp3.com/madscientists. ATP wanted to hear it. If you have
any
>>>>questions, you could email me from the webpage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ATP wrote:
>>>>>>I've tried creating a song in Acid in 3/4....it sucked. Acid
just
>>>>>>can't handle anything other than 4/4, as I found out when I
tried
>>>>to
>>>>>>use 3/4 loops.
>>>>>>Sure, you can cut the loop down to three counts and all that,
but
>>>>it
>>>>>>just doesn't FEEL like a genuine 3/4 song.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, if you DO succeed in making a 3/4 song (and not something
>>like
>>>>>>12/8, which is basically the same as 4/4) please let me know.
I'd
>>>>>>like to hear it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anthony Cho wrote:
>>>>>>>>I have some songs written in the 3/4 tempo and not the 4/4
>>>>>>>>that all the loops on my CD are. Is there a way to alter
>>that.
>>>>>>>>Or better yet, do the more complete loops CDs contain beats
>>>>>>>>actually recorded in 3/4?
>>>>>>