Subject:MMC/MTC SYNC with Roland VS-840, possible?

Posted by: Eli

Date:2/16/2000 11:44:00 PM

I am planning on using my VS-840 to play back loops and
generate a click track (that only the band can hear). I
would like to use ACID to create those loops, I have been
using Version 1.0 for some time now and only recently came
up with the idea to generate live backing tracks (save on
drum triggers and updated syths for the roland GR-1 we use).
I first recorded our songs live to the click track generated
by the VS-840's internal metronome. I wanted to then sync
with ACID and dump this mix down to ACID by recording it
directly in as a mono ACID .wav, and build the loops around
the pre-existing music and have everything be in perfect
time. Once the loops were built I was going to erase the
live track from ACID leaving only the loops then sync using
the MTC and record the loops from ACID back to my VS-840 so
the time was still matching. Then live we could have great
stereo looping and stay in time by listening to the
metronome, that theoretically would be in time, through our
monitor mix and our drummers earpieces. I hope this is
making sense. Basically we want to use the VS-840 instead of
ADATs live. The problem is when I try to sync it all up the
two don't seem to cooperate. They start playing at the same
time and then the time gets off somewhere. I am using the
same bpm on each device. Is there a setting I am forgetting?
The VS-840 can only generate MTC or MIDI Clock. I would like
to use it as the Master because it will not recieve
sync/tempo information. It can however lock to and send time
information from a Sync Track. I think. I want this to work
but it seems that ACID lacks a little in the MIDI sync
department for MTC recognition. Any suggestions, patches or
maybee a MIDI Wizard that sets it auto matically? The device
ID for the VS-840 is 17, I can set up Offsets would that
help? I need ideas bad!

Thank you
Eli

Subject:Re: MMC/MTC SYNC with Roland VS-840, possible?

Reply by: mikel

Date:2/18/2000 2:37:00 PM

Eli,

Unfortunately, ACID is a very poor slave in any MTC setup. This is a
known issue and is being worked on.

If you can use ACID as the master, set it to use your audio hardware
as the clock source and your VS 840 should sync up well. We've had
good results slaving the VS-8xx family to ACID.

I hope this helps.

Mike
ACID Project Manager


Eli Purge wrote:
>>I am planning on using my VS-840 to play back loops and
>>generate a click track (that only the band can hear). I
>>would like to use ACID to create those loops, I have been
>>using Version 1.0 for some time now and only recently came
>>up with the idea to generate live backing tracks (save on
>>drum triggers and updated syths for the roland GR-1 we use).
>>I first recorded our songs live to the click track generated
>>by the VS-840's internal metronome. I wanted to then sync
>>with ACID and dump this mix down to ACID by recording it
>>directly in as a mono ACID .wav, and build the loops around
>>the pre-existing music and have everything be in perfect
>>time. Once the loops were built I was going to erase the
>>live track from ACID leaving only the loops then sync using
>>the MTC and record the loops from ACID back to my VS-840 so
>>the time was still matching. Then live we could have great
>>stereo looping and stay in time by listening to the
>>metronome, that theoretically would be in time, through our
>>monitor mix and our drummers earpieces. I hope this is
>>making sense. Basically we want to use the VS-840 instead of
>>ADATs live. The problem is when I try to sync it all up the
>>two don't seem to cooperate. They start playing at the same
>>time and then the time gets off somewhere. I am using the
>>same bpm on each device. Is there a setting I am forgetting?
>>The VS-840 can only generate MTC or MIDI Clock. I would like
>>to use it as the Master because it will not recieve
>>sync/tempo information. It can however lock to and send time
>>information from a Sync Track. I think. I want this to work
>>but it seems that ACID lacks a little in the MIDI sync
>>department for MTC recognition. Any suggestions, patches or
>>maybee a MIDI Wizard that sets it auto matically? The device
>>ID for the VS-840 is 17, I can set up Offsets would that
>>help? I need ideas bad!
>>
>>Thank you
>>Eli

Subject:Re: MMC/MTC SYNC with Roland VS-840, possible?

Reply by: Eli

Date:2/22/2000 2:06:00 AM

Micheal,

Please tell me the exact settings I should put each piece of equipment
on as far as ID notes etc... I still can't get them to sync. Ii seems
Acid plays the first few measures real fast then slows, but neither is
on track with the midi clock. I need a closely mapped and detailed
solution to my problem if you could. My computer is just a Compaq
pentium 166 with 96 megs of RAM, I believe the sound card is an
Interwave. Would the Virtual Midi thing help? I can't even get sound
forge to sync up with either. I desperately need very detailed help!!!

Thank You
Chris Loesch

Michael Leger wrote:
>>Eli,
>>
>>Unfortunately, ACID is a very poor slave in any MTC setup. This is
a
>>known issue and is being worked on.
>>
>>If you can use ACID as the master, set it to use your audio hardware
>>as the clock source and your VS 840 should sync up well. We've had
>>good results slaving the VS-8xx family to ACID.
>>
>>I hope this helps.
>>
>>Mike
>>ACID Project Manager
>>
>>
>>Eli Purge wrote:
>>>>I am planning on using my VS-840 to play back loops and
>>>>generate a click track (that only the band can hear). I
>>>>would like to use ACID to create those loops, I have been
>>>>using Version 1.0 for some time now and only recently came
>>>>up with the idea to generate live backing tracks (save on
>>>>drum triggers and updated syths for the roland GR-1 we use).
>>>>I first recorded our songs live to the click track generated
>>>>by the VS-840's internal metronome. I wanted to then sync
>>>>with ACID and dump this mix down to ACID by recording it
>>>>directly in as a mono ACID .wav, and build the loops around
>>>>the pre-existing music and have everything be in perfect
>>>>time. Once the loops were built I was going to erase the
>>>>live track from ACID leaving only the loops then sync using
>>>>the MTC and record the loops from ACID back to my VS-840 so
>>>>the time was still matching. Then live we could have great
>>>>stereo looping and stay in time by listening to the
>>>>metronome, that theoretically would be in time, through our
>>>>monitor mix and our drummers earpieces. I hope this is
>>>>making sense. Basically we want to use the VS-840 instead of
>>>>ADATs live. The problem is when I try to sync it all up the
>>>>two don't seem to cooperate. They start playing at the same
>>>>time and then the time gets off somewhere. I am using the
>>>>same bpm on each device. Is there a setting I am forgetting?
>>>>The VS-840 can only generate MTC or MIDI Clock. I would like
>>>>to use it as the Master because it will not recieve
>>>>sync/tempo information. It can however lock to and send time
>>>>information from a Sync Track. I think. I want this to work
>>>>but it seems that ACID lacks a little in the MIDI sync
>>>>department for MTC recognition. Any suggestions, patches or
>>>>maybee a MIDI Wizard that sets it auto matically? The device
>>>>ID for the VS-840 is 17, I can set up Offsets would that
>>>>help? I need ideas bad!
>>>>
>>>>Thank you
>>>>Eli

Subject:Re: MMC/MTC SYNC with Roland VS-840, possible?

Reply by: Eli

Date:3/2/2000 12:31:00 AM

Hello? Is anyone listnening? Michael? I need desperate help!!!!!

Eli

Eli Purge wrote:
>>Micheal,
>>
>>Please tell me the exact settings I should put each piece of
equipment
>>on as far as ID notes etc... I still can't get them to sync. Ii
seems
>>Acid plays the first few measures real fast then slows, but neither
is
>>on track with the midi clock. I need a closely mapped and detailed
>>solution to my problem if you could. My computer is just a Compaq
>>pentium 166 with 96 megs of RAM, I believe the sound card is an
>>Interwave. Would the Virtual Midi thing help? I can't even get sound
>>forge to sync up with either. I desperately need very detailed
help!!!
>>
>>Thank You
>>Chris Loesch
>>
>>Michael Leger wrote:
>>>>Eli,
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately, ACID is a very poor slave in any MTC setup. This
is
>>a
>>>>known issue and is being worked on.
>>>>
>>>>If you can use ACID as the master, set it to use your audio
hardware
>>>>as the clock source and your VS 840 should sync up well. We've had
>>>>good results slaving the VS-8xx family to ACID.
>>>>
>>>>I hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>ACID Project Manager
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Eli Purge wrote:
>>>>>>I am planning on using my VS-840 to play back loops and
>>>>>>generate a click track (that only the band can hear). I
>>>>>>would like to use ACID to create those loops, I have been
>>>>>>using Version 1.0 for some time now and only recently came
>>>>>>up with the idea to generate live backing tracks (save on
>>>>>>drum triggers and updated syths for the roland GR-1 we use).
>>>>>>I first recorded our songs live to the click track generated
>>>>>>by the VS-840's internal metronome. I wanted to then sync
>>>>>>with ACID and dump this mix down to ACID by recording it
>>>>>>directly in as a mono ACID .wav, and build the loops around
>>>>>>the pre-existing music and have everything be in perfect
>>>>>>time. Once the loops were built I was going to erase the
>>>>>>live track from ACID leaving only the loops then sync using
>>>>>>the MTC and record the loops from ACID back to my VS-840 so
>>>>>>the time was still matching. Then live we could have great
>>>>>>stereo looping and stay in time by listening to the
>>>>>>metronome, that theoretically would be in time, through our
>>>>>>monitor mix and our drummers earpieces. I hope this is
>>>>>>making sense. Basically we want to use the VS-840 instead of
>>>>>>ADATs live. The problem is when I try to sync it all up the
>>>>>>two don't seem to cooperate. They start playing at the same
>>>>>>time and then the time gets off somewhere. I am using the
>>>>>>same bpm on each device. Is there a setting I am forgetting?
>>>>>>The VS-840 can only generate MTC or MIDI Clock. I would like
>>>>>>to use it as the Master because it will not recieve
>>>>>>sync/tempo information. It can however lock to and send time
>>>>>>information from a Sync Track. I think. I want this to work
>>>>>>but it seems that ACID lacks a little in the MIDI sync
>>>>>>department for MTC recognition. Any suggestions, patches or
>>>>>>maybee a MIDI Wizard that sets it auto matically? The device
>>>>>>ID for the VS-840 is 17, I can set up Offsets would that
>>>>>>help? I need ideas bad!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you
>>>>>>Eli