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Subject:Multiple Envelopes??
Posted by: Gregory
Date:2/7/2000 11:30:00 AM
I have ACID music 2.0 and am considering getting ACID Pro. I quickly noticed, with ACID music 2.0, that you can't apply an effect and a VOL or PAN envelope to the same track (unless I'm missing something here). You have to either have a VOL or PAN envelope, or and FX assingned. And you can have more than one FX working at once, even on a different track. My question: 1)Can you use more than one FX simultaneusly with PRO? 2)Can you have a VOL and a PAN and an FX simultaneuosly on the same track with PRO? EMAIL ME IF YOU KNOW. (Ya I know I should download the demo, but my connection stinks, so thats a pain in the neck) THANKS ALOT!!! :-) |
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Subject:Re: Multiple Envelopes??
Reply by: Gregory
Date:2/7/2000 12:06:00 PM
OH YEAH, I'll try to remember to check the post, but my email is skelllrodd@earthlink.net Gregory wrote: >>I have ACID music 2.0 and am considering getting ACID Pro. >>I quickly noticed, with ACID music 2.0, that you can't >>apply an effect and a VOL or PAN envelope to the same track >>(unless I'm missing something here). You have to either >>have a VOL or PAN envelope, or and FX assingned. And you >>cant have more than one FX working at once, even on a >>different track. My question: >>1)Can you use more than one FX simultaneusly with PRO? >>2)Can you have a VOL and a PAN and an FX simultaneuosly on >>the same track with PRO? >>EMAIL ME IF YOU KNOW. (Ya I know I should download the >>demo, but my connection stinks, so thats a pain in the neck) >>THANKS ALOT!!! >>:-) |
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Subject:Re: Multiple Envelopes??
Reply by: AlienFarms
Date:2/7/2000 10:59:00 PM
ACID Music will allow you to have both VOLUME and PAN envelopes simultaneously in every track. In addition, you can add a single effect that you can turn on or off for each track. ACID Pro has Midi timecode sync and allows multiple effects across tracks. I don't think you can apply multiple effects to a single track though, but I could be wrong. While I wish I had ACID Pro, the entry fee is a little steep for me. I bought ACID Music and Sound Forge XP for less than the $99 Sonic Foundry offers it here. The effects that come with ACID Music work in Sound Forge. This allows you to take a sample and apply an effect to it and then import it back into ACID. This way you can use multiple effects without using ACID Pro. It's not real time, but it is REAL CHEAP! But if you are seriously into music, you might want to take the plunge and get ACID Pro - which comes with Sound Forge XP. Gregory wrote: >>I have ACID music 2.0 and am considering getting ACID Pro. >>I quickly noticed, with ACID music 2.0, that you can't >>apply an effect and a VOL or PAN envelope to the same track >>(unless I'm missing something here). You have to either >>have a VOL or PAN envelope, or and FX assingned. And you >>can have more than one FX working at once, even on a >>different track. My question: >>1)Can you use more than one FX simultaneusly with PRO? >>2)Can you have a VOL and a PAN and an FX simultaneuosly on >>the same track with PRO? >>EMAIL ME IF YOU KNOW. (Ya I know I should download the >>demo, but my connection stinks, so thats a pain in the neck) >>THANKS ALOT!!! >>:-) |
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Subject:Re: Multiple Envelopes??
Reply by: DavidL
Date:2/8/2000 4:07:00 AM
Yes - you can set Pan, Vol and 2 Efx for each track seperatly, as well as send each track to a different playback output (that is, depending on your sound card). ACID defaults to the Vol tab (next to the track name) - if you click this it drops downa a menu with Pan and EFX1 and EFX2. Gregory wrote: >>I have ACID music 2.0 and am considering getting ACID Pro. >>I quickly noticed, with ACID music 2.0, that you can't >>apply an effect and a VOL or PAN envelope to the same track >>(unless I'm missing something here). You have to either >>have a VOL or PAN envelope, or and FX assingned. And you >>can have more than one FX working at once, even on a >>different track. My question: >>1)Can you use more than one FX simultaneusly with PRO? >>2)Can you have a VOL and a PAN and an FX simultaneuosly on >>the same track with PRO? >>EMAIL ME IF YOU KNOW. (Ya I know I should download the >>demo, but my connection stinks, so thats a pain in the neck) >>THANKS ALOT!!! >>:-) |
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Subject:Re: Multiple Envelopes??Let Me Get This Straight
Reply by: Gregory
Date:2/8/2000 12:47:00 PM
Ok, so you CAN do an effect, a pan and/or volume on the same track in ACID Music? Every time I try to assign an effect to a track that I have already set a PAN or VOL, it deletes my PAN and/or VOL envelopes. Or are you talking about PRO? If I understand, PRO will even allow you to have an effect on one track, and a different effect on a different track at the same time? THANKS ALL FOR THE INFO. YOUVE BEEN MOST HELPFUL. David Leone wrote: >>Yes - you can set Pan, Vol and 2 Efx for each track seperatly, as well >>as send each track to a different playback output (that is, depending >>on your sound card). >> >>ACID defaults to the Vol tab (next to the track name) - if you click >>this it drops downa a menu with Pan and EFX1 and EFX2. >> >>Gregory wrote: >>>>I have ACID music 2.0 and am considering getting ACID Pro. >>>>I quickly noticed, with ACID music 2.0, that you can't >>>>apply an effect and a VOL or PAN envelope to the same track >>>>(unless I'm missing something here). You have to either >>>>have a VOL or PAN envelope, or and FX assingned. And you >>>>can have more than one FX working at once, even on a >>>>different track. My question: >>>>1)Can you use more than one FX simultaneusly with PRO? >>>>2)Can you have a VOL and a PAN and an FX simultaneuosly on >>>>the same track with PRO? >>>>EMAIL ME IF YOU KNOW. (Ya I know I should download the >>>>demo, but my connection stinks, so thats a pain in the neck) >>>>THANKS ALOT!!! >>>>:-) |
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Subject:Re: Multiple Envelopes??Let Me Get This Straight
Reply by: AlienFarms
Date:2/8/2000 7:24:00 PM
He's talking about ACID Pro. I have ACID Music and can do both a VOLUME and PAN envelope for every track. In addition, a single effect can be used across any tracks you choose by clicking on the 'FX' button beside the track name. I guess Pro allows 2 effects per track in addition to VOL and PAN envelopes. I don't understand why you would want to output to different source, but I'm not a professional musician - just a loop hacker! Gregory wrote: >>Ok, so you CAN do an effect, a pan and/or volume on the same track in >>ACID Music? Every time I try to assign an effect to a track that I >>have already set a PAN or VOL, it deletes my PAN and/or VOL >>envelopes. Or are you talking about PRO? >>If I understand, PRO will even allow you to have an effect on one >>track, and a different effect on a different track at the same time? >>THANKS ALL FOR THE INFO. YOUVE BEEN MOST HELPFUL. >> >> >>David Leone wrote: >>>>Yes - you can set Pan, Vol and 2 Efx for each track seperatly, as >>well >>>>as send each track to a different playback output (that is, >>depending >>>>on your sound card). >>>> >>>>ACID defaults to the Vol tab (next to the track name) - if you >>click >>>>this it drops downa a menu with Pan and EFX1 and EFX2. >>>> >>>>Gregory wrote: >>>>>>I have ACID music 2.0 and am considering getting ACID Pro. >>>>>>I quickly noticed, with ACID music 2.0, that you can't >>>>>>apply an effect and a VOL or PAN envelope to the same track >>>>>>(unless I'm missing something here). You have to either >>>>>>have a VOL or PAN envelope, or and FX assingned. And you >>>>>>can have more than one FX working at once, even on a >>>>>>different track. My question: >>>>>>1)Can you use more than one FX simultaneusly with PRO? >>>>>>2)Can you have a VOL and a PAN and an FX simultaneuosly on >>>>>>the same track with PRO? >>>>>>EMAIL ME IF YOU KNOW. (Ya I know I should download the >>>>>>demo, but my connection stinks, so thats a pain in the neck) >>>>>>THANKS ALOT!!! >>>>>>:-) |
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Subject:Re: Multiple Envelopes?? It's starting to sink in.....
Reply by: Gregory
Date:2/9/2000 10:33:00 AM
Ok. You said you can have an effect in addition to you other envelopes (with Acid Music)? Every time I assign an effect to a track (by pressing the FX button on the track) with other envelopes (ie. pan and/or vol), I am left with just the effect, and no vol or pan envelopes (ie. constant volume, but with an effect). How do you get both a vol envelope and an effect on the same track? Or can you even do that (with Acid Music)? BTW I don't know why you would want seperate tracks to different outputs either. Those crazy musicians... Thanks again Alien Farms wrote: >>He's talking about ACID Pro. I have ACID Music and can do both a >>VOLUME and PAN envelope for every track. In addition, a single effect >>can be used across any tracks you choose by clicking on the 'FX' >>button beside the track name. >> >>I guess Pro allows 2 effects per track in addition to VOL and PAN >>envelopes. I don't understand why you would want to output to >>different source, but I'm not a professional musician - just a loop >>hacker! >> >> >>Gregory wrote: >>>>Ok, so you CAN do an effect, a pan and/or volume on the same track >>in >>>>ACID Music? Every time I try to assign an effect to a track that I >>>>have already set a PAN or VOL, it deletes my PAN and/or VOL >>>>envelopes. Or are you talking about PRO? >>>>If I understand, PRO will even allow you to have an effect on one >>>>track, and a different effect on a different track at the same >>time? >>>>THANKS ALL FOR THE INFO. YOUVE BEEN MOST HELPFUL. >>>> >>>> >>>>David Leone wrote: >>>>>>Yes - you can set Pan, Vol and 2 Efx for each track seperatly, as >>>>well >>>>>>as send each track to a different playback output (that is, >>>>depending >>>>>>on your sound card). >>>>>> >>>>>>ACID defaults to the Vol tab (next to the track name) - if you >>>>click >>>>>>this it drops downa a menu with Pan and EFX1 and EFX2. >>>>>> >>>>>>Gregory wrote: >>>>>>>>I have ACID music 2.0 and am considering getting ACID Pro. >>>>>>>>I quickly noticed, with ACID music 2.0, that you can't >>>>>>>>apply an effect and a VOL or PAN envelope to the same track >>>>>>>>(unless I'm missing something here). You have to either >>>>>>>>have a VOL or PAN envelope, or and FX assingned. And you >>>>>>>>can have more than one FX working at once, even on a >>>>>>>>different track. My question: >>>>>>>>1)Can you use more than one FX simultaneusly with PRO? >>>>>>>>2)Can you have a VOL and a PAN and an FX simultaneuosly on >>>>>>>>the same track with PRO? >>>>>>>>EMAIL ME IF YOU KNOW. (Ya I know I should download the >>>>>>>>demo, but my connection stinks, so thats a pain in the neck) >>>>>>>>THANKS ALOT!!! >>>>>>>>:-) |
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Subject:Re: Multiple Envelopes?? It's starting to sink in.....
Reply by: AlienFarms
Date:2/9/2000 8:35:00 PM
I'm doing this while I explain it just so you know that I'm not just making this up - although you will still have to take my word for it! Pull the loop 'Cracked Cone 3.wav' from the ACID Music CD (under Rock Guitars) into the track window. Then paint a few bars across. Click on the track to 'Highlight' it. Now, right click on the track and select 'Envelope -> Volume' from the the menu. A blue line should appear on your track. Now add 4 points along the line and use them to increase and decrease the volume across the track. Once you finish, right click on the track again, but this time select 'Envelope -> Pan' from the menu. You should now have a black line beneath the blue one. Add 3 points to the line and pull them up and down to pan the audio left and right. Now press the 'Play All' button and confirm that the Volume and Pan are working as you expected. Should be no problems so far... Okay, now go to the tab in the lower right-hand corner and click on the 'FX' tab - the lower portion of the screen should become the effects editor. Choose 'ExpressFX Chorus' from the plug-in list and 'Guitar' from the preset list. Now click on the 'FX' button up on the track list to 'turn on' the effect for that track and click the 'Play All' button. ...And OH SHIT!!! You're right! It doesn't work! I can see my pan and volume envelopes but they have no effect! Hmmm, I wonder what's up with that? Does this mean we have to take every track into Sound Forge XP to add effects so that our envelopes will still work? I wonder if the guys with ACID Pro experience this? Sorry Gregory, I thought I knew what the hell I was talking about! HEY SF!!! IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS WAY??? IS THIS A SOFTWARE OR HARDWARE PROBLEM??? I have an AMD 350Mhz K6-2 running on a mobo with 1 meg cache and 100Mhz FSB, 128Mb PC100 SDRAM, and a Creative Labs PCI 128 soundcard. Please tell us we're not crazy!!! Gregory wrote: >>Ok. You said you can have an effect in addition to you other >>envelopes (with Acid Music)? Every time I assign an effect to a >>track (by pressing the FX button on the track) with other envelopes >>(ie. pan and/or vol), I am left with just the effect, and no vol or >>pan envelopes (ie. constant volume, but with an effect). How do you >>get both a vol envelope and an effect on the same track? Or can you >>even do that (with Acid Music)? >>BTW I don't know why you would want seperate tracks to different >>outputs either. Those crazy musicians... >>Thanks again |
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Subject:Re: Multiple Envelopes?? Any PRO users out there?
Reply by: Gregory
Date:2/10/2000 11:12:00 AM
I am running a PII450 with 128M 100Mhz ram, and a turtlebeach soundcard. So, I'm thinking it's the software. Any PRO users out there that can check this out on the PRO version? Thanks again alien for taking the time to confirm. Greg Alien Farms wrote: >>I'm doing this while I explain it just so you know that I'm not just >>making this up - although you will still have to take my word for it! >> >>Pull the loop 'Cracked Cone 3.wav' from the ACID Music CD (under Rock >>Guitars) into the track window. Then paint a few bars across. Click >>on the track to 'Highlight' it. Now, right click on the track and >>select 'Envelope -> Volume' from the the menu. A blue line should >>appear on your track. Now add 4 points along the line and use them to >>increase and decrease the volume across the track. Once you finish, >>right click on the track again, but this time select 'Envelope -> >>Pan' from the menu. You should now have a black line beneath the blue >>one. Add 3 points to the line and pull them up and down to pan the >>audio left and right. >> >>Now press the 'Play All' button and confirm that the Volume and Pan >>are working as you expected. Should be no problems so far... >> >>Okay, now go to the tab in the lower right-hand corner and click on >>the 'FX' tab - the lower portion of the screen should become the >>effects editor. Choose 'ExpressFX Chorus' from the plug-in list >>and 'Guitar' from the preset list. >> >>Now click on the 'FX' button up on the track list to 'turn on' the >>effect for that track and click the 'Play All' button. >> >>...And OH SHIT!!! You're right! It doesn't work! I can see my pan and >>volume envelopes but they have no effect! >> >>Hmmm, I wonder what's up with that? Does this mean we have to take >>every track into Sound Forge XP to add effects so that our envelopes >>will still work? I wonder if the guys with ACID Pro experience this? >> >>Sorry Gregory, I thought I knew what the hell I was talking about! >> >>HEY SF!!! IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS WAY??? IS THIS A SOFTWARE OR >>HARDWARE PROBLEM??? >> >>I have an AMD 350Mhz K6-2 running on a mobo with 1 meg cache and >>100Mhz FSB, 128Mb PC100 SDRAM, and a Creative Labs PCI 128 soundcard. >> >>Please tell us we're not crazy!!! >> >> >> >> >>Gregory wrote: >>>>Ok. You said you can have an effect in addition to you other >>>>envelopes (with Acid Music)? Every time I assign an effect to a >>>>track (by pressing the FX button on the track) with other envelopes >>>>(ie. pan and/or vol), I am left with just the effect, and no vol or >>>>pan envelopes (ie. constant volume, but with an effect). How do >>you >>>>get both a vol envelope and an effect on the same track? Or can >>you >>>>even do that (with Acid Music)? >>>>BTW I don't know why you would want seperate tracks to different >>>>outputs either. Those crazy musicians... >>>>Thanks again >> |
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Subject:Re: Multiple Envelopes?? Any PRO users out there?
Reply by: Siggi_Churchill
Date:2/10/2000 3:27:00 PM
>>>> I wonder if the guys with ACID Pro experience >>>> this? >>>> Never had any problems with PRO but I ran your test to make sure. No problems works fine. Even added 5 more FX still no problems. Did this on my old machine: PII 233, 128MB, 5400 HD, Event Gina |
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Subject:Re: Multiple Envelopes??Let Me Get This Straight
Reply by: DavidL
Date:2/11/2000 2:38:00 PM
You'd want to send tracks to seperate outputs if you were using a mixer. You could then route effects to your mixer and add them to your ACID tracks that way instead of trying to use the somewhat limited (even in ACID Pro) internal ACID effects. Alien Farms wrote: >>He's talking about ACID Pro. I have ACID Music and can do both a >>VOLUME and PAN envelope for every track. In addition, a single effect >>can be used across any tracks you choose by clicking on the 'FX' >>button beside the track name. >> >>I guess Pro allows 2 effects per track in addition to VOL and PAN >>envelopes. I don't understand why you would want to output to >>different source, but I'm not a professional musician - just a loop >>hacker! >> >> >>Gregory wrote: >>>>Ok, so you CAN do an effect, a pan and/or volume on the same track >>in >>>>ACID Music? Every time I try to assign an effect to a track that I >>>>have already set a PAN or VOL, it deletes my PAN and/or VOL >>>>envelopes. Or are you talking about PRO? >>>>If I understand, PRO will even allow you to have an effect on one >>>>track, and a different effect on a different track at the same >>time? >>>>THANKS ALL FOR THE INFO. YOUVE BEEN MOST HELPFUL. >>>> >>>> >>>>David Leone wrote: >>>>>>Yes - you can set Pan, Vol and 2 Efx for each track seperatly, as >>>>well >>>>>>as send each track to a different playback output (that is, >>>>depending >>>>>>on your sound card). >>>>>> >>>>>>ACID defaults to the Vol tab (next to the track name) - if you >>>>click >>>>>>this it drops downa a menu with Pan and EFX1 and EFX2. >>>>>> >>>>>>Gregory wrote: >>>>>>>>I have ACID music 2.0 and am considering getting ACID Pro. >>>>>>>>I quickly noticed, with ACID music 2.0, that you can't >>>>>>>>apply an effect and a VOL or PAN envelope to the same track >>>>>>>>(unless I'm missing something here). You have to either >>>>>>>>have a VOL or PAN envelope, or and FX assingned. And you >>>>>>>>can have more than one FX working at once, even on a >>>>>>>>different track. My question: >>>>>>>>1)Can you use more than one FX simultaneusly with PRO? >>>>>>>>2)Can you have a VOL and a PAN and an FX simultaneuosly on >>>>>>>>the same track with PRO? >>>>>>>>EMAIL ME IF YOU KNOW. (Ya I know I should download the >>>>>>>>demo, but my connection stinks, so thats a pain in the neck) >>>>>>>>THANKS ALOT!!! >>>>>>>>:-) |