Dear Leslie: Thank you for the obvious input. So often we don't see the forrest for the trees. You were kind to respond. If you read this reply, I have no current video to import in the demo...any suggestions? Thank you again for your time and expertise. Sincerely, Tony M.

There are 4 film effects.
1. Very Old film - Produces sepia and very scratched output
2. Low quality film color - Produces an output approx what you would get from 16mm shot in the 1960s.
3. Circa 1908 - You can guess what that produces.
4. Circa 1980 - Not a vivid as normal output with the a few scratches now and then.

All these can be changed to suit your needs using the Video Event editor.

I will make a little video demostrating each and upload it in a little while. Before mid-day today.

Hope this helps.

PS. I believe these are also available in Vegas Movie Studio Platinum.

not even sd? (ordinary dv, or analogue?)

i would suggest you see if you can 'shoot' some test footage on a camera at either a store, or if you're really serious, either borrow or hire a camera.

i'm not a great fan of video trying to look like film, however, not only are there some nifty presets in vegas, they're chainable, so you 'build' the look you want.

alternatively, magic bullet looks.

and then again, it's all pretty much dependent on the camera / format you shoot the original footage in / with...

leslie

You can also buy (if you want to buy add-ons) a whole pile of very good Film Looks from VASST (www.vasst.com), which are in turn an add-on to their very excellent UltimateS Vegas add-on.

The VASST Film Look function has a minor bug that prevents you from previewing the effect on your actual timeline --but if you don't choose that option -- i.e., if you just use VASST's own pictures to see the preview of a given Film Look -- the Looks work really beautifully in Vegas.

OK. Here's my demo.

http://rapidshare.com/files/64089881/Vegas_film_demo.mov

It's a 20Mb file.

Contrary to what is says in the credits, the film effects have been created in Vegas Pro 8.0a.

Hope this helps.

what kinda film are you refering to?
Aside from the filter options mentioned, there are also Virtualdub variations as well as magic bullet misfire

As for "filminc" (as in feature film) kind of look, you can do this as well..

aside from the obvious, V8 will also give you faster renders, better workfow with media manager (if ur into that) and a myriad of otehr tools which arent in V4

but as for not having any material to work with, im sorry to say but IMO that was a half hearted effort. As we say here in Oz, thats a bit of a cop out..I dont mena to be rude, but if you dont want to be proactive in your research, then ther is no point in moving forward.
Im sorry if i sound billigerant, but look outside the square dude..

unless you do not have a camera, footage is a non issue, Just go down to your local park and shoot the ducks, set up some props and teddy bears or fruit or whatever and film that. go to a motorway and film the cars rushing by.
get a variety of different footage, with different WB and camera settings and use THAT to experiment with.. we cant answer all your questions if you havent even LOOKED at the possibilites already available to you.

I dont mean to sound offensive, but im pretty much over the "hold my hand" mentality... maybe im just having a bad day and dont know it

The differences in the plug-in tools are very minor. The differences for sampling to 24p are significant (comparing Vegas 4 to Vegas 8.
Additionally, Vegas 8 is significantly faster at output, and of course, allows for more file formats to be imported/exported.

Much as I'd like to promote Vegas 8 (been using Vegas for years) I'd say in this case that someone who doesn't have any video footage doesn't really need to upgrade at all cos he's obviously not using it.

Thank you all very much for your time and expertise. I’m very
appreciative. As far as “Having No Video to Work With." I’ll
explain. After completing a project I archive it back to DV tape
via my camera. I keep no files on my computer. My camera is
in repair. Until I get it back I have no means of transferring raw
or rendered footage to my computer. Thanks again for your help.
Sincerely, Tony M.

Thank you both very much for your time and expertise. I’m very
appreciative. As far as “Having No Video to Work With." I’ll
explain. After completing a project I archive it back to DV tape
via my camera. I keep no files on my computer. My camera is
in repair. Until I get it back I have no means of transferring raw
or rendered footage to my computer. Thanks again for your help.
Sincerely, Tony M.

ah, that explains a lot :-)

i usually do the same, but i always leave a short selection of shots on an external hd with which to 'play' with.

after using vegas seriously since 4 i still find i'm learning something new everyday - and equally forgetting the simplest of shortcuts....

this forum, above all others, has been a real boon; it's inhabitants have a wealth of knowledge that they're every ready to share, and do so with infinite patience.

good luck, and with the camera repair - if you're shooting dv, it's probably worth picking up a s/h mini dv camera to use as a deck, or perhaps a dsr 11 vtr, now that hd is rapidly gaining ground, they're coming down in price s/h quite considerably....

leslie

Dear leslie:

Thank you very much for your time, patience and advice, it means a lot.

Do you have any thoughts, comments or advice about "Cinescore."

At the introductory savings do you feel it's worth getting?

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Tony M.

i'm tone deaf.... and half deaf as well. my poor wife has to sit through all my audio mixes to tell me of any 'noticiable' problems. and if the budget warrants, it's off for pro sweetening anyway....

so can't be any help at all re cinescore, though i have been tempted by the advertising to look into it.

leslie

Actually, I achieve the film "look" by setting the camera (Canon XL1s) to a function called FRAME. This make the shots look like a movie rather than a TV news clip.

Dear Leslie:

Thanks for the reply about Cinescore. I'll make a
seperate post to the whole forum before making a
decision.

You're a kind soul...thanks so much for sharing.

Be well and God bless you and yours always, and
in all ways.

Regards,
Tont M.

I wish I could afford a camer like the one you have.

For now, I use different combinations of Tiffen Warming,
Diffusion, and various Warm Diffusion Filters, and others
of the like, to break the sharp edge of Video and get as close as I can to the emulsion look of film. If I could afford the camera and
peripheral hardware & software I would like to own, I'd be
making feature films. I'm 63 years old with a strong
backround in writing, producing, directing and editing (SMPTE
linear tape based pre-digital) TV commercials. Basically, I'm
just an old man with a dream that I'll never realize. As hard as
it may seem to belive, I'm also an accredited cinematographer.
Well...that's all behind me now. I'm sorry for the rant...I've been so
frustrated for the past few years; I guess I needed to get a few things
off my chest. However, this forum is not for people to cry on other
peoples shoulders. Thanks so much for the input. Sincerely,
Tony M.