Subject:hip hop beats

Posted by: mat

Date:8/6/1999 2:34:00 AM

hello i am having trouble finding any sample (drum loops)
that are along the hip hop genra. is there a way to use a
drum machine along with acid? or is there a way to sample
snares and kicks seperatly and construct your own beats,
this little problem is holding me back from a lot of great
music if you can help i would be very greatfull, honestly.

mat

Subject:Re: hip hop beats

Reply by: NotWithStupid

Date:8/6/1999 9:16:00 AM

Mat, you should review the library of sample cd's that Sonic Foundry
sells for Acid. You can probably find something very appropriate
from the selections available, and they're very reasonably priced.

mat wrote:
>>hello i am having trouble finding any sample (drum loops)
>>that are along the hip hop genra. is there a way to use a
>>drum machine along with acid? or is there a way to sample
>>snares and kicks seperatly and construct your own beats,
>>this little problem is holding me back from a lot of great
>>music if you can help i would be very greatfull, honestly.
>>
>>mat
>>

Subject:Re: hip hop beats

Reply by: Davetheonemendez

Date:8/6/1999 12:31:00 PM

Yo, mat what up,it's Damixx, I use acid along with my mpc 2000, U can
use it with mtc along with any drum machine, I don't use it this
way. Before the mpc 2000, I used to use rebirth 2.0 and drumbox 1.0
(like rebirth but it allows u to load your own samples) to create my
beats. Rebirth and drumbox allow you too export your patterns as wave
files, of course once they are wave files u throw them into acid and
do your thing. I also experimented using recycle 1.6 and exporting
bass and snare slices as wave files and then used them as one shot
samples in acid. I went to the options menu in acid and selected
snap to 64 Note. I then used the magnifying glass in acid (on the
bottom to the far right of where the tempo is displayed)and stretched
it all the way so that You literally have 64 boxes to place your one
shot notes and you can build a beat from there, then u can bring it
back to normal size go back to options and select snap to whole note
or half note etc and add your drum loops. u can also start out with
a drum loop to help you construct your beat in time with the loop.

Also try using sample cds go to soundsonline.com and get the audio
version of the cds, there are about ten samples per track so you need
a cd extractor to turn them into a wave file then use recycle or
wavesurgeon to isolate the loops then export them into individual
wave files for use in acid or your sampler.

Subject:Re: hip hop beats

Reply by: Neolee

Date:8/7/1999 2:06:00 AM

Hi there,


>>Also try using sample cds go to soundsonline.com and get the audio
>>version of the cds, there are about ten samples per track so you
need
>>a cd extractor to turn them into a wave file then use recycle or
>>wavesurgeon to isolate the loops then export them into individual
>>wave files for use in acid or your sampler.

What a coincidence, but the next post (mine) is a question on this -
10 samples per track with a bit of silence in between each, how to
use with ACID. Chopping them up with Soundforge (after extraction)
seemed like a very time-consuming process, can wavsurgeon/recycle do
it faster? Will the accuracy of the loops be there?

I need help with this as I have a number of CDs like this with great
loops I cant use.

Neole

Subject:Re: audio cd loops to acid

Reply by: Davetheonemendez

Date:8/8/1999 1:17:00 PM

I use wavesurgeon, specifically for this purpose and have converted
all of my audio sample cds.
It is so quick with one shot sounds; however, the loops on audio cds
tend to always be sloppy, never perfect. So what I do in wavesurgeon
is use the slice feature to mark the slice points, then there are two
markers on the bottom, one says left the other says right you can
drag them to each slice point and export the individual loops. I
achieve this with 100 percent success and unfortunately quicker than
sound forge. I have already suggested something to sonic foundry
along these lines, I know they will deliver.

Damixx

Neolee Egen wrote:
>>Hi there,
>>
>>
>>>>Also try using sample cds go to soundsonline.com and get the
audio
>>>>version of the cds, there are about ten samples per track so you
>>need
>>>>a cd extractor to turn them into a wave file then use recycle or
>>>>wavesurgeon to isolate the loops then export them into individual
>>>>wave files for use in acid or your sampler.
>>
>>What a coincidence, but the next post (mine) is a question on this
-
>>10 samples per track with a bit of silence in between each, how to
>>use with ACID. Chopping them up with Soundforge (after extraction)
>>seemed like a very time-consuming process, can wavsurgeon/recycle
do
>>it faster? Will the accuracy of the loops be there?
>>
>>I need help with this as I have a number of CDs like this with
great
>>loops I cant use.
>>
>>Neole
>>
>>

Subject:Re: Audio cd loops to acid

Reply by: Davetheonemendez

Date:8/8/1999 1:28:00 PM

Wavesurgeon is 100 percent faster. All u do after u extract the
files and turn them into waves is open wavesurgeon and you will see
the ten loops (silence included) use the slice feature and u will see
slices before and after the silences as well. Move the left and right
markers to the loop segment that you want then export to wave.
example
these are the loops
1234 silence 1234 silence
these are the loops after slicing in wavesurgeon
1/2/3/4/ silence 1/2/3/4/ silence
This is an example of using the L and R markers to isolate the loop.
1/2/3/4/ silence 1/2/3/4/ silence
[L] [R] isolate and export to wave file then go on to the next.
This is quicker than any way u can imagine.
PS, tell Sonic Foundry to give Damixx a job (my own acid column) and
helping develop acid.
Damixx

Subject:Re: Audio cd loops to acid

Reply by: Neolee

Date:8/10/1999 1:19:00 AM

Hello,

>>Wavesurgeon is 100 percent faster. All u do after u extract the
>>files and turn them into waves is open wavesurgeon and you will see
>>the ten loops (silence included) use the slice feature and u will
see
>>slices before and after the silences as well.

I downloaded the latest Wavesurgeon demo (2.56) but haven't found
the 'Slice' feature anywhere.

I followed this procedure (as this looked like the ideal option) -
took the wav file (11 MBs) and opened it in WaveSurgeon. There's an
icon among the ones at the top which says 'Strip Silence' I chose it
with the option 'Points Set between Stripped Samples. Then I
click 'OK' and the harddisk whirrs for sometime and either I get
tired of waiting or the comp reboots by itself.

How much time do you think an 11 MB stereo 44 16 sample with around
12 loops (with 12 silences in between) should take to process on a P2
450 64 MB RAM?

Where's the Slice feature anyway? Will downloading an older version
help? Or does only the retail version have this option (tho I dont
think so).

Does Recycle do anything like this too? Will it help?

I like your advice. Where dyu want me to tell SoundFoundry about your
ACID column - their techsupport or this newsgroup?

Neole

Subject:Re: Neolee Audio cd loops to acid

Reply by: Davetheonemendez

Date:8/10/1999 12:08:00 PM

The slice feature is a little lever on the bottom to the right of the
stop button, it may be called some thing else but that's what I call
it. slide it a little to the right and see wave surgeon creates
slices( ////) on the audio. Peep my website for some phatt links
www.rit.edu/~jmc0987/4amproductions you can get a wav scratcher to
scratch audio wav files like vinyl records or a free vocal eliminator
direct x plug in.

Subject:Re: Neolee Audio cd loops to acid

Reply by: Neolee

Date:8/10/1999 4:22:00 PM

Hi!

>>The slice feature is a little lever on the bottom to the right of
the
>>stop button, it may be called some thing else but that's what I
call

I found it - its called 'Sensitivity Slider' in my release. And it's
fast! Thanks.

I was working on the loops with Soundforge tho, and found the
following steps helped me quickly (but tediously) create loops of the
files. If you do manage to go through the steps do tell me if any of
these steps can be simplified or should be modified? (These steps are
for those sample CD tracks which contain around 10 loops on a single
track interspersed by silence).

1) Open Sound Forge

2) Open the wave file with the loops and silences.

3) Process--> Autotrip/Crop - (This step deletes the silences in
between the loops and create regions out of each loop - I keep the
fade in and out to 0 - yet this leaves behind some space between the
regions, even though they are totally silent - how to I get rid of
this? This leads me to add the step (5) to get rid of the silences.)

4) Tools--> Autoregion - (this saves all the loops to seperate wav
files)

5) With each region wav file--> Process--> Autotrim/Crop--> Remove
edges outside of the Selection (This step can be removed if the
Process-->Autotrim feature in the beginning trimmed away all the
silence. However, I find that it always leaves some space between the
loops - how can I avoid this?)

6) Choose one of these wav files which seem to loop perfectly (or
trim it to loop perfectly - usually the drum loops are most reliable
for this). Open ACID, click on the file and check its tempo.

7) Use that tempo under 'ACID properties' in Sound Forge for the
mismatched loops; using 'HardDisk Based' option instead of loop. Show
measures:beats instead of time in the main window.
For loops that fall short (commonly bass) of the 4 beats, take cursor
to end of wav, insert a bit of silence, select the 4 beats and press
T, then Crop. For loops longer than the 4 beats, follow the same step
but dont 'Insert Silence' - (This step will elongate/shorten the wav
file to the required length to loop perfectly, since we know that its
tempo is the same as that of the file we checked in ACID. I wonder if
there's any kind of shortcut to this step.)

8) Acidise the files to loop and specify correct number of loops if
required (sometimes). (This step is only required if you change the
ACID properties of the sample to HardDisk based in step 7).


That's it. Pretty accurate loops. I'll see if it's easier in
Wavesurgeon now that I've found the Slice feature.

Neole

Subject:Re: Audio cd loops to acid

Reply by: Neolee

Date:8/10/1999 4:36:00 PM

Hi again,

You wrote -
>>these are the loops
>>1234 silence 1234 silence
>>these are the loops after slicing in wavesurgeon
>>1/2/3/4/ silence 1/2/3/4/ silence
>>This is an example of using the L and R markers to isolate the loop.
>> 1/2/3/4/ silence 1/2/3/4/ silence
>>[L] [R] isolate and export to wave file then go on to the next.

I tried to follow these steps but had a bit of trouble - after
setting the senstivity slider (the 'splice lever') to even 100%
WaveSurgeon doesn't isolate the loops. I get the following scenario -

1234silence/ 1234silence/
(i.e. loop1-silence/loop2-silence/...)

Thus moving the markers gives me this resulting in the silence
getting exported with the loop -

1234silence/ 1234silence/
[L] [R]


Why are the silences not getting isolated as a region? They are 0
decibel regions as far as I can see. Do I have to change some options?

Thanks,
Neole

Subject:Re: Audio cd loops to acid

Reply by: Davetheonemendez

Date:8/10/1999 9:52:00 PM

I don't have wavesurgeon set up differently, it just worked that way
for me, there were times where I had to make a mark myself, but it
was not that often, I will do a little more experimenting and see if
that comes up.

Subject:Re: Audio cd loops to acid

Reply by: Neolee

Date:8/11/1999 1:52:00 PM

Ok, and thanks for all the help!

Neole

David - Damixx wrote:
>>
>>
>>I don't have wavesurgeon set up differently, it just worked that
way
>>for me, there were times where I had to make a mark myself, but it
>>was not that often, I will do a little more experimenting and see
if
>>that comes up.

Subject:Re: hip hop beats

Reply by: Treble

Date:8/27/1999 12:30:00 PM

Daryl Wrote:
Hay Mat I produce hip hop tracks using SF. Email me maybe we can
talk, plus if you like to sample old breakbeats I will tell you where
to get them on the I.N.

George James wrote:
>>Mat, you should review the library of sample cd's that Sonic
Foundry
>>sells for Acid. You can probably find something very appropriate
>>from the selections available, and they're very reasonably priced.
>>
>>mat wrote:
>>>>hello i am having trouble finding any sample (drum loops)
>>>>that are along the hip hop genra. is there a way to use a
>>>>drum machine along with acid? or is there a way to sample
>>>>snares and kicks seperatly and construct your own beats,
>>>>this little problem is holding me back from a lot of great
>>>>music if you can help i would be very greatfull, honestly.
>>>>
>>>>mat
>>>>

Subject:Re: hip hop beats

Reply by: Treble

Date:8/27/1999 12:30:00 PM

Daryl Wrote:
Hay Mat I produce hip hop tracks using SF. Email me maybe we can
talk, plus if you like to sample old breakbeats I will tell you where
to get them on the I.N.

George James wrote:
>>Mat, you should review the library of sample cd's that Sonic
Foundry
>>sells for Acid. You can probably find something very appropriate
>>from the selections available, and they're very reasonably priced.
>>
>>mat wrote:
>>>>hello i am having trouble finding any sample (drum loops)
>>>>that are along the hip hop genra. is there a way to use a
>>>>drum machine along with acid? or is there a way to sample
>>>>snares and kicks seperatly and construct your own beats,
>>>>this little problem is holding me back from a lot of great
>>>>music if you can help i would be very greatfull, honestly.
>>>>
>>>>mat
>>>>