Subject:ACID and Cubase

Posted by: volkan

Date:3/10/1999 7:11:53 AM

Has anybody been able to sync those 2 puppies together solid ? I have
tried several times with
the VMR without success. I'm about to try again with Cubase 3.65 and
Acid 1.0a. but if I could
get precise instructions on how somebody managed to do it i.e. which
program is the master the
exact sync configuration and if audio is used on Cubase, it would be
most helpful.

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/10/1999 9:19:52 AM

There is a problem with Cubase and the VMR. I believe that others have
used
one of the other third party MIDI routers with success.

You may want to contact support@sonicfoundry.com for futher
assistance.

Peter

volkan wrote in message ...
>Has anybody been able to sync those 2 puppies together solid ? I have
tried
several times with
>the VMR without success. I'm about to try again with Cubase 3.65 and
Acid
1.0a. but if I could
>get precise instructions on how somebody managed to do it i.e. which
program is the master the
>exact sync configuration and if audio is used on Cubase, it would be
most
helpful.
>
>

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/10/1999 12:23:05 PM

Lets start again....

What is actually not working?

How are you configuring things?

Peter



volkan wrote in message ...
>Has anybody been able to sync those 2 puppies together solid ? I have
tried
several times with
>the VMR without success. I'm about to try again with Cubase 3.65 and
Acid
1.0a. but if I could
>get precise instructions on how somebody managed to do it i.e. which
program is the master the
>exact sync configuration and if audio is used on Cubase, it would be
most
helpful.
>
>

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase

Reply by: volkan

Date:3/11/1999 6:14:41 AM

Okay here's what I tried. Intsalled the VMR. Disabled audio in Cubase
so ACID can playback (I
use the Gina and I also have a SoundBlaster so I could use audio in
Cubase as well if I really
wanted) Since I want to add a sequence Cubase is the master. I go in
Sync options and output
sync out of Sonic Foundry Router 1. Then when I go in ACID to set MTC
input port it says both
SF VMR 1 and 2 are already in use ??

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase

Reply by: volkan

Date:3/11/1999 8:00:36 AM

I've tried pretty much all possibilities but it still won't work. I
ain't new at Computer music
either, I know my way around software, been doing this for 10 years. A
while back I did ask
support@sonicfoundry.com. They told me it works for them no problem (I
still don't believe it)
but there is 4 of us here who can't get this happening. That's why
I'm asking if anybody out
there has been able to sync the two because I think you can't right
now.

Peter Haller wrote:
>>Something - most likely Cubase has grabbed the VMR. Don't know
>>exactly how
>>Cubase does this, but it would seem the likely candidate.
>>
>>If Cubase is only being used for MIDI, then don't set Cubase up as
>>the
>>Master. Set ACID as the master, generating either MTC or MIDI
Clock.
>>If you
>>have tempo changes in ACID that you want Cubase to follow, then you
>>will
>>need to use MIDI Clock. In either case, make sure that you disable
the
>>"use
>>internal clock" setting in the Advanced page for the SYNC option
you
>>choose.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>volkan wrote in message ...
>>>Okay here's what I tried. Intsalled the VMR. Disabled audio in
>>Cubase so
>>ACID can playback (I
>>>use the Gina and I also have a SoundBlaster so I could use audio
in
>>Cubase
>>as well if I really
>>>wanted) Since I want to add a sequence Cubase is the master. I go
in
>>Sync
>>options and output
>>>sync out of Sonic Foundry Router 1. Then when I go in ACID to set
MTC
>>input
>>port it says both
>>>SF VMR 1 and 2 are already in use ??
>>
>>
>>

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/11/1999 9:06:14 AM

Something - most likely Cubase has grabbed the VMR. Don't know
exactly how
Cubase does this, but it would seem the likely candidate.

If Cubase is only being used for MIDI, then don't set Cubase up as
the
Master. Set ACID as the master, generating either MTC or MIDI Clock.
If you
have tempo changes in ACID that you want Cubase to follow, then you
will
need to use MIDI Clock. In either case, make sure that you disable the
"use
internal clock" setting in the Advanced page for the SYNC option you
choose.

Peter



volkan wrote in message ...
>Okay here's what I tried. Intsalled the VMR. Disabled audio in
Cubase so
ACID can playback (I
>use the Gina and I also have a SoundBlaster so I could use audio in
Cubase
as well if I really
>wanted) Since I want to add a sequence Cubase is the master. I go in
Sync
options and output
>sync out of Sonic Foundry Router 1. Then when I go in ACID to set MTC
input
port it says both
>SF VMR 1 and 2 are already in use ??

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/11/1999 12:14:26 PM

There is a bug between Cubase and the VMR. There is no work around.
The only
atlernative is to obtain one of the third party MIDI Routers that are
available.

Peter



volkan wrote in message ...
>I've tried pretty much all possibilities but it still won't work. I
ain't
new at Computer music
>either, I know my way around software, been doing this for 10 years.
A
while back I did ask
>support@sonicfoundry.com. They told me it works for them no problem
(I
still don't believe it)
>but there is 4 of us here who can't get this happening. That's why
I'm
asking if anybody out
>there has been able to sync the two because I think you can't right
now.
>
>Peter Haller wrote:
>>>Something - most likely Cubase has grabbed the VMR. Don't know
>>>exactly how
>>>Cubase does this, but it would seem the likely candidate.
>>>
>>>If Cubase is only being used for MIDI, then don't set Cubase up
as
>>>the
>>>Master. Set ACID as the master, generating either MTC or MIDI
Clock.
>>>If you
>>>have tempo changes in ACID that you want Cubase to follow, then
you
>>>will
>>>need to use MIDI Clock. In either case, make sure that you disable
the
>>>"use
>>>internal clock" setting in the Advanced page for the SYNC option
you
>>>choose.
>>>
>>>Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>volkan wrote in message ...
>>>>Okay here's what I tried. Intsalled the VMR. Disabled audio in
>>>Cubase so
>>>ACID can playback (I
>>>>use the Gina and I also have a SoundBlaster so I could use audio
in
>>>Cubase
>>>as well if I really
>>>>wanted) Since I want to add a sequence Cubase is the master. I go
in
>>>Sync
>>>options and output
>>>>sync out of Sonic Foundry Router 1. Then when I go in ACID to set
MTC
>>>input
>>>port it says both
>>>>SF VMR 1 and 2 are already in use ??
>>>
>>>
>>>

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase

Reply by: K

Date:3/24/1999 11:16:27 AM

Just posted a note describing the same problem!!! Is this a
screw up in ACID???

volkan wrote:
>>Has anybody been able to sync those 2 puppies together
solid ? I have
>>tried several times with
>>the VMR without success. I'm about to try again with
Cubase 3.65 and
>>Acid 1.0a. but if I could
>>get precise instructions on how somebody managed to do it
i.e. which
>>program is the master the
>>exact sync configuration and if audio is used on Cubase,
it would be
>>most helpful.
>>
>>
>>

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase (again)

Reply by: K

Date:3/24/1999 11:28:06 AM

I have the impression, by listening to all the 'Cubase
experts' around that you can't use Cubase and ACID audio
together because they will fight for the soundcard (if
there's only one installed) and even though some say that
if Cubase gets hold of it, it won't let go of it again, I
had mixed results with the bottomline though that either
one or the other will have the soundcard. I guess we will
have to live with the fact that we have to buy a dedicated
card for each audio application or take ACID files and
import them into something like Wavelab and then into
Cubase or save them as .wav files and open them directly
into Cubase. That of course requires that the ACID project
has to be pretty much completed since you will have some
problems with trying to change speeds etc which really
sucks!!
I'm just trying to get the MTC sync going and then work on
the audio in acid, use Cubase in sync as a Midi only
software (audio disabled) and when I'm don with ACID, I
load the file into Cubase, turn on the audio and finish my
project. That's as good as I can do right now and please
send me info on how to do it better!!!

volkan wrote:
>>Has anybody been able to sync those 2 puppies together
solid ? I have
>>tried several times with
>>the VMR without success. I'm about to try again with
Cubase 3.65 and
>>Acid 1.0a. but if I could
>>get precise instructions on how somebody managed to do it
i.e. which
>>program is the master the
>>exact sync configuration and if audio is used on Cubase,
it would be
>>most helpful.
>>
>>
>>

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase (again)

Reply by: Kapil

Date:4/6/1999 2:24:38 AM

I think the problem is (at least in part) hardware dependent. I have
an old sound card--Turtle Beach
Tahiti--and have had no problems triggering audio files in Cubase VST
with Acid (touch wood!). But I
tried this on a different system with a different card and it didn't
work.

Re the sync problem, if you haven't already figured this out, you
need a third party Midi router--I use
Midi Yoke (freeware, downloadable from the internet) and it works fine
with Cubase as long as Acid is
the master.

Kara Williams wrote:
>>I have the impression, by listening to all the 'Cubase
>>experts' around that you can't use Cubase and ACID audio
>>together because they will fight for the soundcard (if
>>there's only one installed) and even though some say that
>>if Cubase gets hold of it, it won't let go of it again, I
>>had mixed results with the bottomline though that either
>>one or the other will have the soundcard. I guess we will
>>have to live with the fact that we have to buy a dedicated
>>card for each audio application or take ACID files and
>>import them into something like Wavelab and then into
>>Cubase or save them as .wav files and open them directly
>>into Cubase. That of course requires that the ACID project
>>has to be pretty much completed since you will have some
>>problems with trying to change speeds etc which really
>>sucks!!
>>I'm just trying to get the MTC sync going and then work on
>>the audio in acid, use Cubase in sync as a Midi only
>>software (audio disabled) and when I'm don with ACID, I
>>load the file into Cubase, turn on the audio and finish my
>>project. That's as good as I can do right now and please
>>send me info on how to do it better!!!
>>
>>volkan wrote:
>>>>Has anybody been able to sync those 2 puppies together
>>solid ? I have
>>>>tried several times with
>>>>the VMR without success. I'm about to try again with
>>Cubase 3.65 and
>>>>Acid 1.0a. but if I could
>>>>get precise instructions on how somebody managed to do it
>>i.e. which
>>>>program is the master the
>>>>exact sync configuration and if audio is used on Cubase,
>>it would be
>>>>most helpful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase

Reply by: tad

Date:1/5/2000 11:22:00 AM

Cubase just plain sucks and I would recommend that you not use it.
It is the timewaster program from hell.

-Tad

Peter Haller wrote:
>>There is a problem with Cubase and the VMR. I believe that others
have
>>used
>>one of the other third party MIDI routers with success.
>>
>>You may want to contact support@sonicfoundry.com for futher
>>assistance.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>volkan wrote in message ...
>>>Has anybody been able to sync those 2 puppies together solid ? I
have
>>tried
>>several times with
>>>the VMR without success. I'm about to try again with Cubase 3.65
and
>>Acid
>>1.0a. but if I could
>>>get precise instructions on how somebody managed to do it i.e.
which
>>program is the master the
>>>exact sync configuration and if audio is used on Cubase, it would
be
>>most
>>helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase

Reply by: Vid_Nut

Date:5/24/2000 9:06:00 PM

tad wrote:
>>Cubase just plain sucks and I would recommend that you not use it.
>>It is the timewaster program from hell.
>>
>>-Tad
>>
>>Peter Haller wrote:
>>>>There is a problem with Cubase and the VMR. I believe that others
>>have
>>>>used
>>>>one of the other third party MIDI routers with success.
>>>>
>>>>You may want to contact support@sonicfoundry.com for futher
>>>>assistance.
>>>>
>>>>Peter
>>>>
>>>>volkan wrote in message ...
>>>>>Has anybody been able to sync those 2 puppies together solid ? I
>>have
>>>>tried
>>>>several times with
>>>>>the VMR without success. I'm about to try again with Cubase 3.65
>>and
>>>>Acid
>>>>1.0a. but if I could
>>>>>get precise instructions on how somebody managed to do it i.e.
>>which
>>>>program is the master the
>>>>>exact sync configuration and if audio is used on Cubase, it
would
>>be
>>>>most
>>>>helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Subject:Re: ACID and Cubase

Reply by: BLAVAAD

Date:7/6/2000 5:46:00 PM

I had asked SF to put midi tracks into acid but I don't think they
will do it .I use cubase & acid together but the best way I found to
do it is to use 2 computers.I am using acid 2.0 pro on a cheap used
pent mmx 166 pc with a sound blaster live that has a midi card
installed or you could use the midi port on the SBlive.I chose the
midi port in and set the options for slave to MTC coming from my
other pc which is a cheap 433 celron e-machine with a midiav midi port
.I take a midi port out of the first computer and connect it to midi
in of the mmx 166 with acid .Thye both lock perfectly and the 166 runs
about 20 tracks of audio.I also lock 3 adats all at the same
time.With acid you have to manually hit rewind to the beginnin to lock
again.it does not really chase back to the beginning like it should.
since they do not support MMC that the c ubase puts out to the adats
etc
but it does lock solid.I just start my sequnce at bar 9 to give both
computers time to lock up.Acid should be set at freewheel.To me this
is an ideal system as I do ont need to use the loopback programs etc.
and I can see whats happening on both systems.It is a more expnsive
but that is why I am using a slower pent which runs fine.Both have 64
meg memory.I also use the "slve computer for
Vaz,rubberduck,hammerhead so when I am not using acid the computer
can be drum machine etc.I am trying to get a 3rd machine to hook up
and sell all my drum machines and synths since I will not need them
and do everything on three pcs.Hopes this helps
Peter Haller wrote:
>>There is a problem with Cubase and the VMR. I believe that others
have
>>used
>>one of the other third party MIDI routers with success.
>>
>>You may want to contact support@sonicfoundry.com for futher
>>assistance.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>volkan wrote in message ...
>>>Has anybody been able to sync those 2 puppies together solid ? I
have
>>tried
>>several times with
>>>the VMR without success. I'm about to try again with Cubase 3.65
and
>>Acid
>>1.0a. but if I could
>>>get precise instructions on how somebody managed to do it i.e.
which
>>program is the master the
>>>exact sync configuration and if audio is used on Cubase, it would
be
>>most
>>helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>