Subject:COPY and Paste

Posted by: Ekzpi

Date:5/23/2007 1:23:15 PM

In AP5 we could paste anywhere on the grid reagardless of which track is selected. Now, on AP6 we have to be cautious what track is selected to avoid pasting over exsisting tracks or creating new ones.

IS THERE A WAY TO TOGGLE THIS NEW FEATURE ON AP6???

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:5/27/2007 7:32:11 AM

No. This is a result of customers asking for the ability to have tracks contain multiple wave files. "With great features comes great responsibility" ;-)

~jr

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: ATP

Date:5/30/2007 7:32:34 AM

weird tho, isn't it? i wonder how many users seriously use the multiple samples on 1 track feature. personally i fail to see the use of it as you can just as easily duplicate the track and load a new sample on it. and the copy/paste thing as described in this topic is actually less useful than it was in previous versions.

oh well...

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: miquel

Date:5/30/2007 8:01:48 AM

I hope Sony will able/disable this behavior as an option in Preferences in next version of Acid.

Don't you, Peter? <grin>

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: thenoizzbox

Date:5/30/2007 9:38:32 AM

> weird tho, isn't it? i wonder how many users seriously use the
> multiple samples on 1 track feature.

Personally, I couldn't live without it. It's one of the best features in AP6 IMO.

> personally i fail to see the use of it as you can just as easily
> uplicate the track and load a new sample on it.

Well, to me duplicating a track has a lot more disadvantages. I prefer to keep releated media on fewer tracks as it becomes easier to apply effects and keep track of edits as well as saves resources because you do not have to reapply the same effect to different tracks. It also keeps logical "takes" (vocals or guitars for example) on one track.

What I fail to see is how you would want to go back to how it was done before...

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: metaforensics

Date:5/30/2007 4:49:35 PM

Yea I find the way the copy & paste feature works now, in AP6, to be a complete pain.. But oh well..

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/30/2007 5:52:07 PM

We had far more requests to allow ACID to have multiple different media files/loop on a single track than the reverse.

To DAW or not to DAW, that is the question....

Can't please everybody...we all know that.

Peter

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:5/30/2007 6:53:32 PM

"IS THERE A WAY TO TOGGLE THIS NEW FEATURE ON AP6???"

How exactly would you toggle it? What would Acid do if you had selected an option somewhere in the Preferences dialogue that said you didn't want this "feature"? How would Acid decide where you wanted to paste?

It's not a "new feature" at all. Acid is now a full multi-track recorder (a DAW in common terminology). For years, this was the one major weakness that undermined the "Pro" in Acid's name - compared against Sonar, Cubase et al.

If you don't need the DAW facilities of Acid pro 6, and prefer the simplicity of the old model, it would make sense to keep working in version 5. Fortunately, the way Acid installs makes it easy to keep both versions live.

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: feign

Date:5/30/2007 7:02:47 PM

I'm happy with the new way. Sometimes you just don't want 50 layers to deal with, many of which might have just one instance of a single sound on them. Makes it easy to create a layer, for example, of just one-shot drum fills. Effects, volume, etc., are then quick to apply to all.

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: ATP

Date:5/31/2007 11:02:42 AM

> Personally, I couldn't live without it. It's one of the best features in AP6 IMO.

to each his own. :)

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:5/31/2007 12:58:06 PM

I like having my different guitar takes on one particular track; it's a lot neater that way.

Yeah, you have to be careful where you paste now but that comes with the territory.

Iacobus

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:5/31/2007 2:42:21 PM

"How exactly would you toggle it? What would Acid do if you had selected an option somewhere in the Preferences dialogue that said you didn't want this "feature"? How would Acid decide where you wanted to paste?"

With a toggle switch that says something like "use old paste method".
ACID would then paste the way it used to.

I would think that a more general toggle for "allow only one media file per track" would be more useful, and that would also change the pasting method back to the version 5 style.

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:5/31/2007 3:47:29 PM

"With a toggle switch that says something like "use old paste method".
ACID would then paste the way it used to."

My point is, what does that mean? Under the old Acid, "Paste" could only mean "Paste to the track the clip came from" because clips could not share tracks. With Acid 6, the only way Acid can know where you want to paste is by reference to the location you have selected, just like in Word, Excel etc.

Perhaps the toggle could mean "Paste to the track the clip came from". Would that make you happy?

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:5/31/2007 6:31:40 PM

I think that's pretty much what is meant by asking for the old paste method. Not really any other way to look at it. The old method always pasted to the same track, so having a toggle to the old method would do that.

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:5/31/2007 10:32:38 PM

"I think that's pretty much what is meant by asking for the old paste method. Not really any other way to look at it. The old method always pasted to the same track, so having a toggle to the old method would do that. "

I only ask because it is not necessarily obvious. For example, suppose you have copied a clip from track x, then selected track y, then selected Paste, do you want to paste to track x or track y?

Under the "old" method, you would be pasting to track x, even though it has not been selected. That might be what you want, but it would mean that you could NEVER paste to a different track.

So for example, if you record 6 different takes of a vocal track, and want to combine the first bar of take 1 with the 2nd bar of take 2 etc, you would have to keep them all as separate tracks. If this is how you want to work, perhaps you are better off with version 5?

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: Ekzpi

Date:6/1/2007 10:28:36 AM

UGHHHH...so NO! ok, cool.

By the way JumBuk: recording audio is totally different than pasting. I love having all my vocal takes on one track. I totally agree with you. What annoys me the most, is when I'm pasting an 8 track drum pattern and forget to select the first track. OR pasting the chorus after the second verse. Otherwise, its not a big deal.

Subject:RE: COPY and Paste

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/1/2007 10:31:21 AM

The overwhelming demand was for multiple media clips on a single track.

There is no plan to add prefs/switches to make it behave like previous versions of ACID.

Nothing I have read here has convinced me that it needs to change.

Peter