Subject:SF9 - bug report

Posted by: porkjelly

Date:4/12/2007 7:55:59 AM

Get out the RAID cuz here they come!

(1) When selecting the Graphic Fade command, only the left channel is shown in the graph as the default instead of both, and sometimes, nothing is shown and the graph is blank/white

(2) Opening a file does not display the waveform in the selected ratio for normal zoom or new sound files

(3) Some presets are missing after restoring them from Preset Manager

(4) Selected wave color will spontaneously change when customizing colors and toolbars

That is all for now. Will post more as they pop up.

Thanks.

Subject:RE: SF9 - bug report

Reply by: ForumAdmin

Date:4/12/2007 2:41:24 PM

Hi Porkjelly (or is it just Pork for short?) <g>

We haven't been able to repro 1, 3, and 4 so far. If you have further info abou these it would help us to track them down.

As for #2. We are seeing that and strangely enough it works that way in Forge 8.0d too. We'll investigate further.

Thanks,
Dave

Subject:RE: SF9 - bug report

Reply by: porkjelly

Date:4/13/2007 8:27:06 AM

Hey Dave. Noticed something new in the Graphic Fade effect: sometimes selecting a custom preset pre-fills it with the last command used, overwriting the preset completely. I then have to "re-save" the custom preset. Dunno if this happens with any other effect or not. Too bad you couldn't reproduce those other problems. I'll have to pay closer attention next time they happen. Thanks.

PS: Most people call me shorty, but Porkjelly's good 'nuff. o-)

Subject:RE: SF9 - bug report

Reply by: porkjelly

Date:4/16/2007 8:57:25 AM

(5) Another Graphic Fade bug?: When entering a value manually at a point at the far right side of the selection window, the text box disappears behind the edge of the window.

Subject:RE: SF9 - bug report

Reply by: porkjelly

Date:4/16/2007 11:53:19 PM

Ok here's a new one under Normalize. I'll try to explain it best I can because it's kinda confusing, and I'm no expert by any means. After normalizing the peak value of a file to 0 dB, I run Scan Levels and it tells me the file is at -4.8 dB peak. Hmmmm...ok. I then normalize the peak value to -3 dB and it reduced the overall volume by nearly nearly 8 dB!. I scanned for large peaks and it appears that Normalize boosted several 10 ms sections of the file by several decibels. These "spikes" seem to have occured throughout the file wherever I applied the volume effect at various selections. Thanks.

Subject:RE: SF9 - bug report

Reply by: AlistairLock

Date:4/19/2007 3:14:12 AM

Hi,
I've noticed that peak restoration boosts by 2-3db (approx) the signal rather than attenuating it. This is regardless of which preset I try, or manual setting.
This does not occur in SF7. Works as expected. (I had previously bought the noise reduction plugin for SF7)

(edit: Just realised that the noise reduction plugin, and hence the peak restoration plugin, is the updated version installed in SF9 after previous version is uninstalled. So, it's curious that Peak restoration seems to function normally in SF7 but not in SF9...)

Also the "auto snap to Zero" in preferences doesn't appear to work in SF9. WOrks as normal in SF7

Subject:RE: SF9 - bug report

Reply by: ForumAdmin

Date:4/19/2007 12:23:32 PM

Porkjelly,

I do repro your Graphic Fade bug. (text field getting cut off)

It will get into our bug system.

Thanks,
DaveS

Subject:RE: SF9 - bug report

Reply by: porkjelly

Date:5/2/2007 9:38:15 AM

Dave, have you been able to reproduce the bug where modifying a saved custom preset overwrites it with the modifications? I certainly hope I'm not the only one experiencing this bug. I'll be using SF8 until this is fixed because it interrupts my workflow greatly.

Subject:RE: SF9 - bug report

Reply by: bnjenter

Date:5/2/2007 2:28:55 PM

I used the Batch converter the other day to normalize a bunch of files I really didn't care a lot about, but what I got were RMS levels that were all over the map. There seemed to be no consistency at all. I tried to normalize to -16 dB, but got levels that ranged from -14.8 dB to -25.5 dB RMS. Out of curiosity the peak levels ranged from 0.0 dB to -7.3 dB. I know the peak levels may not be significant, but this range variance makes this tool when used in the batch converter all but useless. I did have other processes in the chain, but they were all before Normalize. When I use Normalize by itself, which I seldom do as I prefer to bring the volume to higher/lover levels using other processes, it seems to work much better. Is anyone else seeing these results. I'm not a fan of Normalization, but I would like to get consistant results when I use it. I also realize the problems that have been noted by many with the batch converter, but SF9 is a mature app, albeit at ver 9.0a, but this is a problem I've noticed for quite some time.

I've used SF since ver 4, and love it, and I consider it to be the most stable, reliable of the Sonic Foundry/Sony apps, but it does seems the deeper the the capabilities of the applications go, the more problem that seem to develop. Loved Acid, but it has become very difficult to use without becoming entrenched with reliability challenges. Vegas has changed direction so those of us who have invested time and money it that application hoping it would become a truly competitive audio application have been left disappointed. CD Architect is a fine application though it too has some quirks. DVD Architect has left me at version 2 as I have no need to update Vegas since audio development has been halted. Competitive applications have made some major advancements in the past several versions they have released, yet it seems Sony application users are constantly left wanting with each new version that is released.

I'm not a ranter, but at some point, it seems Sony is determined to force users who have become dependant on some of its software to at least consider other options. What a shame. I believe the programming talent exists within the organization, or if outside talent is required, go get it. But turn these folks loose. Find a leader who loves the challenge of creating something great and stop wasting time on corporate/political concerns which appear to dominate future development of your products. No one wants to jump ship, please don't make us want to.

Bob

Subject:RE: SF9 - bug report

Reply by: ctznkne

Date:5/10/2007 9:45:52 AM

I record, then stop, and the screen is blank, with just the center line visible. If I hit PLAY, I hear the file, but cannot see the waveform.

However, if I SAVE, or apply a filter, or process it in any way, the waveform suddenly appears.

I could live with that, but about 1out of 5 times, the whole thing freezes up, and I must restart, recover fragment and start over.

Twice, however, the file is just completely GONE... no frg to recover, nothing...and that has NEVER happened before, with any version of SF I have used.

...and THAT I cannnot live with. I can only imagine trying to explain to National Geographic or Disney that I just "lost" an entire show narration or Movie Trailer session.