Subject:Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Posted by: miquel

Date:3/10/2007 3:57:25 AM

Hi Sony,

Sorry to ask but... Is version 7 near to release?

Thank you in advance.

WISH: Enhanced Plugin Manager.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:3/10/2007 10:29:14 AM

Sony never gives even a hint of when a full release date will be. Though if you have any feature suggestions for version 7 by all means let your voice be heard and send them a email.

What stuff are you hoping for in version 7?

Ed.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: withagee

Date:3/10/2007 1:17:53 PM

An Acid overlay for my Mackie control universal would be great (how long has this been in the works now??......) I know it will come from Mackie but come on....when?!

This may be crazy but I have had this "want" to be able to choose the magnifying glass (zoom tool), cllick on the time line to indicate a center point to zoom, then be able to use the mouse wheel to zoom in, click again to adjust center point and then mouse wheel to zoom in or out, use the jog wheel if necessary then deselect the mag tool by clicking the icon again.

what do you think?

Geoffrey

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: feign

Date:3/11/2007 10:09:04 PM

Are we starting a wishlist here? Here's my Numero Uno wish:

Import and view Flash SWF movies in Flash version 7 or higher. Currently only Flash 5 files can be imported, but nobody makes Flash 5 movies anymore.

Note that I strongly recommend Acid to anyone and everyone I know who, like myself, creates Flash animations (webisodes, ecards, banners) for a living. It's the ideal tool for short-form soundtracks. I've produced over 300 short movie soundtracks in Acid, all for Flash.

It is nevertheless an enormous shortcoming that any Flash movie must be reformatted for Flash 5 (which is often impossible) or exported to another format before viewing within Acid. This makes it a big hassle to fine-tune the animation timeline to fit the music.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Illogical

Date:3/12/2007 7:07:29 AM

I vote for a big revamp of all the included plug-ins, add more and upgrade the ones you've already got.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: J Psycle

Date:3/12/2007 7:55:33 AM

1) Level meters for the outputs of each individual tracks.

2) Ability to set a count-in time for one to two measures before recording (with metronome or custom wav file).

3) Novation Automap compatibility.

4) Ability to create multiple custom templates for starting new songs.

5) Ability of Chopper to actually slice loops in the sequencer window itself, and autosnap to grid.

6) An option to preview files within the explorer panel as they actually sound, and not always in loop mode.

7) Total compatibility with Native Instruments' Kore

8) Comprehensive, rock stable Re-Wire compatibility with Reason 3

9) Ability to scan through 3 (or more) folders at once the way you can in Ableton Live. So for instance, one folder can be set to search in the project your working on, one can be set to a folder full of breakbeats, and another folder full of basslines, etc.

10) Ability to "Freeze" tracks.

11) Ability to record VSTi instruments audio live without having to reroute the playback out and then back into soundcard. (So resampling capability basically). Also, regular tracks should be able to do this too, so you can record live audio of, say, a bassline with the Resonant Filter plugin on it being tweeked by mouse.

12) Take a look at Sonar 6's Active Controller Technology (ACT) feature. I want that!

13) Option to have a separate traditional-style mixer window.

14) All tracks should have at least two aux sends with adjustable mix levels.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: ozzborn

Date:3/12/2007 9:52:41 AM

top of list

hui support (yamaha o1v96)

1. freeze

2. non destructive midi pluggins similar to nuendo (accesible like track pluggins) quantize,swing,chorder,

3. a more stable rewire and better communication with uad cards.

4. stability in A6 is much better than A5 and A4 but we can still do better.

5. how about inflator,oxford E.q., and dynamics(just a thought)

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: feign

Date:3/12/2007 6:12:54 PM

One more from me:

Ability to gradually slow the tempo of an individual track.

Related to this: ability to gradually change the key of an individual track.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: starise

Date:3/12/2007 7:07:46 PM

I need windows Vista 32 bit support ASAP, Just built a great computer that I can't use Acid pro on!
Would like to see control learning functions,the ability to map to any midi by right clicking that control.
Track freeze.
Not a huge upgrade fee from 6d to 7. Am I asking to much?

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:3/12/2007 8:08:40 PM

Withagee...I use my "vegas" overlay for now. [that comes with my mcu] Just be aware that not all the functions are the same between acid and vegas so read the "help file" in acid for a thorough explanation of what each button does.

Question: What are your top midi feature requests? Which app do you think is perfect for your midi workflow and why? Please be very specific and spell it out.

I would personally love a score view. Though to add to that when I have a drum grid selected as I do when I have bfd going I would love to have "each lane for a drum trigger" be able to be in musical values. That way I can look at a "kickdrum" lane and visually see my eighth+2 sixteenth "gallop" written clearly and I'll be better able to score my drum parts.

What do you think?

Ed.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: PeterWright

Date:3/12/2007 9:09:00 PM

A huge help would be the ability to specify that certain grid lines are shown bold or a different colour - e.g. beginnings of bars .....

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:3/12/2007 9:31:23 PM

So that you can have a "down beat" view or have say every "2+4" of a measure highlighted so that you could paint in the snare parts easily? Etc...

Ed.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: asylumsound

Date:3/14/2007 9:00:31 PM

how about AAF and OMF import and export?

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Illogical

Date:3/15/2007 7:15:17 AM

I second the score view and tempo ramping.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: porkjelly

Date:3/15/2007 8:26:31 AM

How about a regions/marker list?

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: ScarKord

Date:3/15/2007 4:19:05 PM

Pre-record count in is my number one request. It would really improve the MIDI recording capabilities.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: ricknote

Date:3/15/2007 6:40:22 PM

I would hope the they introduce new features that improve workflow.

But be careful not to turn this Program into a bogged down monster like
many of the others have. Pro Tools, Cubase, Logic, and Sonar are all becoming
such code hogs that it is almost impossible to get them stable! Just go to the
Forums and see for yourself.

Ableton has done a great job of introducing features asked for by their loyal users.
Don't try to chase the competition. Listen to the Acid users above.

Sony, Please keep it lean, mean, stable and fast.

RT

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:3/15/2007 9:42:29 PM

- Tempo mapping (also on Beatmapper)
- Track level meters
- In-place chopper with enhancements to emulate stand-alone tools (shuffle, snap-to-grid etc0
- Score view for MIDI not important to me.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Ben 

Date:3/16/2007 4:31:02 AM

- ALL of Vegas' audio editing features. So you can perform every audio function that's currently in Vegas, in ACID... and so using ACID like Vegas, if you so wish.

- For the above to work, we need a tick box that in the Explorer to give us the option to preview audio without timestretching.

- Mixer enhancements. We need to be able to send from a bus to an aux.

These changes would finally enable exiled Vegas audio users to move to ACID.

Ben

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Illogical

Date:3/16/2007 9:33:21 AM

"we need a tick box that in the Explorer to give us the option to preview audio without timestretching."


Agreed! That seems pretty simple and would be a great help. If you could also perform simple searches from the explorer window, that would be cool too, because I really don't like the overblown nature of the Media Manager but need to be able to do basic searches.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:3/16/2007 1:51:08 PM

Ben...

I haven't used vegas for audio since the release of acid 6. Could you go through with me what editing features are missing? How could they also be improved to fit your current workflow?

Personally I think that if acid 7 got a cut/paste of the current editing methods of vegas with no enhancments users will be like "all this time and just this?" kind of attitude. Which is totally true imho.

In your editing workflow is having "send from a bus to an aux" all you need? Any examples of what you feel is the ideal enviroment/routing scheme you like the most? That you wish you had?

Hopefully the vst 3 spec is well rounded with user requests after all this time.

Guys how are you liking the current midi in acid 6? Whats on your wishlist for improvements you'd like to see?

Talk to you soon.

Ed.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: ozzborn

Date:3/16/2007 2:21:45 PM

the inline midi editing in A6 makes midi quite useable , but i want midi pluggins like swing,quantize,chorder,apregiator etc....

sony could make it , so you can access them like any other audio track pluggin. this way it retains the same workflow and not an additional tool like the groove quantize(example)

more controllers like presonus faderport, yamaha 01v96, i agree with keeping acid lean and mean.

i think a freeze function would help free up resources too ,but i dont know.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: drew_

Date:3/16/2007 3:36:32 PM

There's been plenty of time now so we shouldn't feel guilty about having high hopes or feeling like we are expecting too much of the team working on it.

We're no longer in a marketplace that considers one or two key features added every year or two to be enough.

For me it's simple. If ACID7 doesn't have all the audio editing capabilities of Vegas (from the basic to the advanced) then it leaves Sony's professional music workstation with less audio functionality than its video production software!

Vegas lacked MIDI and I accepted the notion that video became the development direction rather than throwing in music tools like Rewire & MIDI.

ACID6 opened the door for the new paradigm and I'm sure a hell of a lot of new code & behind-the-scenes changes were involved.

But ACID7 simply must deliver audio functionality which the same company's video editing product offered years ago - otherwise it's just not going to turn heads. There ARE good alternatives out there but ACID has a great reputation as a loop tool that is "becoming" a DAW and it needs to get past that transition stage in the next major release.

Time to be the master - not the slave!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:3/16/2007 4:03:56 PM

Totally agree with you drew.

What are some of your workflow wishlist feature requests?

Ed.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: PeterWright

Date:3/16/2007 5:11:46 PM

Here are a few Vegas features that would be very welcome in Acid - please add to the list ...

* Record as multiple takes, and Add as Take
* Move Events Vertically up or down with keystokes
* Resize waveform when dragging top of event to reduce gain.
* Pitch shifting of audio in cents using Ctrl / + or -
* Speeding/slowing event by Ctrl/dragging edge of event

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Ben 

Date:3/16/2007 5:38:09 PM

Well, to be honest Ed I (and others) have listed this stuff dozens of times before and Sony - being the developers - are very aware of *all* of Vegas' audio editing features. We also need to all bear in mind that it's pretty obvious that it's a little late to be requesting ACID 7 features. 6 was released, what, over a year ago now (?) and it's very likely that 7 is near release and/or its feature set is now frozen.

Anyway, for what it's worth, here's a list of Vegas audio features that need to make the transfer over to ACID. Nothing ground breaking, but all essential for anyone who edits audio for a living.

The Vegas multitrack editing features that need to be in ACID 6 for me to be able to move over:


1. Ripple, in it's current Vegas 6 implementation

2. Media pool

3. Event grouping

4. Event mute

5. Although ACID obviously has extensive stretching features, I still need all the right-click stretching and pitch/resample options we have in Vegas.

6. The trimmer. I know not everyone seems to use this, but - especially for editing voice over sessions - I use the trimmer extensively.

7. The event channel options we have in Vegas.

8. Not quite so important, but ACID has never visually shown event gain and fades by changing the waveform.

9. All the event take options we have in Vegas.

10. All the crossfade moving and event slipping functionality we have in Vegas.

11. Ability to preview audio in the Explorer without timestretching/pitch shifting (should be a tick box in Explorer).

I'm sure there's more current Vegas features that would need to be in ACID multitrack, but that's all I remember off the top of my head.

Additionally, I'd hope we also finally see a fix to the track pan > bus issue we currently have in Vegas - I'm assuming the same odd behaviour current exists in ACID 6? I'd also hope they've finally implemented the ability to send to auxes from busses.

Finally, I know ACID has folder tracks, but it would be nice if this was tied somehow to the concept of track grouping or bussing. In other words, although you can currently send a folder group to a bus, you can't send to an aux from that bus, which makes it kind of pointless for my purposes.

Ben

Edit: And I've just noticed that PeterWright above me has mentioned a lot of the things I've listed too. Totally agree Peter - all really important stuff. :)

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Zacchino

Date:3/16/2007 8:49:33 PM

>"we need a tick box that in the Explorer to give us the option to preview audio without timestretching."

See Sony ? Told you this was the hype ! Okay just kiddin..

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Ben 

Date:3/16/2007 8:51:02 PM

Eh?

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/17/2007 7:48:24 AM

>>ALL of Vegas' audio editing features. So you can perform every audio function that's currently in Vegas, in ACID... and so using ACID like Vegas, if you so wish.<<

Ben, I know you are going to tell me about having told this to us thousands of times before , but humor me...

EXACTLY what audio functions of Vegas do you want in ACID?

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Ben 

Date:3/17/2007 8:01:38 AM

Peter - see my 11 points above. That pretty much sums it up. And I'm honestly not trying to be facetious, but you, better than anyone, surely know the differences between working with audio in Vegas vs. ACID? If you don't, all the little things that make a real difference are in my post above... plus the fact that of course you can freely move events between tracks in Vegas. Essentially we'd need the non-linear feel of working with audio in Vegas.

Should I take it from your response then that we can't expect any of this in ACID 7?

Ben

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: H2000

Date:3/17/2007 8:50:48 AM

Should I take it from your response then that we can't expect any of this in ACID 7?

Maybe he's just trying to make sure they didn't forget anything (hopefully).

Working with audio in Vegas is like sculpting - molding and stretching audio. Working with audio in Acid is like having one large knife.

I think all the specific differences have already been mentioned in this thread.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Ben 

Date:3/17/2007 9:38:29 AM

>> Working with audio in Vegas is like sculpting - molding and stretching audio.

An excellent way of putting it H2000! When I'm in full flow, the way you can work with audio almost makes Vegas feel like an instrument to me! As 'non musical' as it is, I'm sure plenty of people here know what I mean. I think it's the way you can do real editing minutiae stuff, and with great speed.

>> Maybe he's just trying to make sure they didn't forget anything (hopefully).

I hope so!

Ben

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: drew_

Date:3/17/2007 10:14:09 AM

Actually Ben that's a very good point.

I'd like to say the same Peter - it's really not meant with any disrespect.. but it must be very clear to you just how different ACID feels for audio editing and production work + what is lacking!

Here's hoping you were just checking ;o)

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: daddybear

Date:3/17/2007 3:32:23 PM

I COMPLETELY AGREE!! WE NEED AN ACID VERSION THAT SUPPORTS VISTA!!!! The vista interface is detailed enough and visually pleasing enough to make a REAL difference to the Acid software, Get it Done!!!!!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/17/2007 4:26:43 PM

I had a feeling you would not answer me, but refer me to some other post. I read all of the posts. I asked for specifics, not just "do everything that Vegas does in ACID". I already know you want that.

>>Should I take it from your response then that we can't expect any of this in ACID 7?

Absolutely. We wont be doing anything new ever again for any software.<g>

This is what you believe anyway, so why should say anything to the contrary?

There has been no announcement of any ACID 7, so I cannot comment on what will be in a product that doesn't exist...but you know that already.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: alltheseworlds

Date:3/17/2007 6:27:49 PM

I've been extremely pleased with the robustness and stability of version 6. It's led to me almost completely dumping Sonar and doing all my composition in Acid.

So my main request (although not very exciting for marketing people) is to continue and enhance the stability of the program. I think the stability of an app is one of the most talked about aspects of any software release.

Beyond that:

- An improved chopper tool
- A more interesting effects package (Sonar has led the way with that aspect)
- Workflow enhancements (Acid has always been a fast app to work in), perhaps with some sort of keyboard overlay thingummy
- Avoidance of the awful "do everything" bloatware disease
- Ability to "export wrapped". By that I mean that you could select a portion of a song or track, and that any reverb, delay or effect "tails" will automatically be wrapped to the start of the render. That way you get a seamless audio loop on export. FL Studio does this very well.

I'm very happy with version 6, so it'll be most interesting to see where v7 goes !

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: feign

Date:3/17/2007 7:45:06 PM

>>Absolutely. We wont be doing anything new ever again for any software.<g>

I hope this is true. If all software developers would adopt this approach, I'd save thousands of dollars a year!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Ben 

Date:3/17/2007 8:23:31 PM

>>> I had a feeling you would not answer me, but refer me to some other post. I read all of the posts. I asked for specifics, not just "do everything that Vegas does in ACID". I already know you want that. <<<

This is just bizarre :(

Peter, I did answer you directly and referred you not to "some other post" but to a post, by me, in this thread, a few posts up, where I'd taken the time to list all the things currently in Vegas that I'd like to see in ACID. Take a look, 11 points. I really honestly don't understand the problem here; what more information than that do you need?

Ben

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: vespesian

Date:3/17/2007 8:24:29 PM

a) More plugins
b) Vista support (by the time' 7' is released, I guess this would be a given)
c) Freeze function
d) Media pool (explorer window for items involved in current project.
e) UI fixes that accomodate wide/dual screen more efficiently.
f) Better rewire with Reason.

Other than that.....I love Ap6, fastest route from your brain to the speaker.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:3/18/2007 12:19:31 AM

"Working with audio in Vegas is like sculpting - molding and stretching audio. Working with audio in Acid is like having one large knife."---I love this statement. Very well said.

Everyone...If in version 7 all you got was a cut paste "one for one" feature set from vegas would you be content? Take the existing features of vegas and add your own personal spin to it to fit your current audio editing workflow. Obviously if vegas audio editing in it's current form is perfect for you then you won't be posting.

Q:What advantages do you have using the vegas "trimmer" that you can't do in acids chopper?

Ed.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Weevil

Date:3/18/2007 4:14:41 AM

Obviously the key Vegas stuff.

Also:

Right click and drag to select multiple events...Play with it once in Reaper and you feel like smashing your head into the nearest wall every time you need to multi select in ACID.

Dual monitor support

I’d actually think there is plenty of scope for ACID to be better at looping. I think with everything else going on over the past couple of updates looping has been left behind a bit. EG:

Join function to work the same way for audio events as it does with MIDI events

Relative snapping. It wouldn’t be a scary new mode that will terrify and confuse the users. It would just be an additional option from the snapping menu...And just as you can currently temporally override snapping by holding down a key, you could temporally enable relative snapping by holding down another. Extremely simple, extremely useful.

Ability to easily define loop points within events

Ability to apply fades to clips in the clip property window. So if you copy and paste a snare drum 50 million times and then later decide that you want it to decay a little quicker, you could simply add a fade to the clip and all events based on that clip would fade sooner.

Transient detection in the chopper, hold down a key while selecting to snap to the transients. (This would actually give me a reason to use the chopper).

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: buckaroo

Date:3/18/2007 8:16:47 AM

1. Acid 7.0 better fx, never really got on with acid fx, which i thought was the only thing that let it down. Fx like Ableton and Logic, with better delays and reverbs would be great, so mastering would be a one-stop shop!

2. Acid slave to MIDI Clock?

3. Snap feature as in Vegas 7. Turn on snap and you can drop/snap loops, one-shots to markers or the cursor so it "glows" like Vegas, which is really handy instead of zooming in...

4. "Open copy in Soundforge" - always handy in Vegas, dont know why Acid never had it???

5. Any improvements to Video import? cant think of any off the top of my head, but im sure there is something!! maybe the large time display could show frames (like in the video window itself, so you can progress by individual frames)

Thanks ;o)

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: ozzborn

Date:3/18/2007 9:02:28 AM

?????????????
is the loop creation in vegas better than acid.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/18/2007 1:42:10 PM

>>e) UI fixes that accomodate wide/dual screen more efficiently.

ACID supports whatever resolution or number of screens you desire.

Could you be specific here?

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:3/18/2007 9:27:46 PM

I'm going to give my list of Vegas want features for Acid. A lot have been listed already, but here goes my indebt consolidated list.

1.Slide Edit point- Vegas Short-cut keys CNTRL+ALT when you have cursor placed over split edit point.

2. Drag and drop media from track to track including Vegas Shortcut Keys NUM 8/2 so the event does not lose it's current timeline position.

3. Vegas Edge Trimming mode of events- Vegas Short cut kets "[" and '']" to enter edge triming, NUM keys 4/6 & 1/3 to do Edge trim editing.

3b.(edit) Since I mentioned NUM keys 1/3. Acid also needs this. The current nudging of events and the amount that it gets nudged is dependant upon what your zoom level is. Give us the 1/3 Nudge where Vegas always nudges it at 1 Frame and is independant of the current zoom level, but let us additionally put a preference in that defines the "Default Nudge Amount".

4.Open "Copy" in Sound Forge

5. Selection of Event carries over to being selected when Opened in Sound Forge.

6. Right Click Event "Channel" select options. Both, Left only, Right only, Combine,Swap.

7. Right Click Event "Switches" options. Normalize, Mute, Lock, invert phase, loop.

8. Event Timestretch options of One-shot media

9. Option to playback media at original timing in Explorer/Current project media pool.

10. Current project media pool, integrated with Explorer Window, and Trimmer/ chopper window like in Vegas.

11. Right Click drag and drop from Explorer window "Add as Take...etc.(ala Vegas options)

12.Track Phase switch

13. Vegas preference option. "Double click on Media loads in Trimmer Window instead of tracks"

14. Vegas Insert Bus FX Post Fader/Pre Fader option.

15. Multiple take loop recording that works properly like in Vegas for One-Shot recording preference.

16. Vegas Ripple Editing options.

17. Vegas Waveform adjustment when adjusting event volume envelopes

18. Event Grouping

19. Vegas Render as and import options. (AIFF,BWF.MP4)

20. Vegas 7 moved event options- Highlighted moved events, event offset amount display.

21. Vegas "Edit Details" Window. So we can edit events numerically.

22. Vegas Project Media pool "Detailed" information view. Goto Vegas project media pool and select "Detailed" and see all the information you get of the media compared to the Acid Explorer window "Detailed" view.

23. Vegas snap to cursor when draging media from Explorer to a track. Do this in Vegas to see the difference. Place your cursor on the timeline with snapping disabled and have it placed between grid points. Enable snapping. Drag and drop media from explorer and notice in Vegas it will snap to the cursor line and in Acid it will only snap to the grid.

24. Vegas Right Click Crossfade type selection, instead of 2 seperate Fade In/Fade out like it is in Acid when you right click on a crossfade. Acid takes 2 steps, where Vegas takes 1 step to alter a crossfade. This works much faster when you're trying to get a difficult edit to sound right. Experimenting around with the crossfade type in Acid is very tedious, when you have to continuously change both the fade in and fade out on a single crossfade type.


25. Vegas Scrub control under the track header list.

26. Timeline Loop point selection Vegas style.
When you double click on the loop playback region above the timeline, in Vegas it selects that area within the track view. In Acid it sets the loop points to the entire project. This messes me up all the time since they behave differently. I have no need for the Acid method, but use the Vegas method all the time. Especially when I'm trying to do splits across multiple events, so that I then later do cut and paste or copy tasks to move those events to another place along the timeline.

So now you have a pretty extensive comparison list of what Vegas currently has on the audio side compared to Acid. What you choose to do with it is up to you. My hope is that you use it, to narrow down the gap one by one for the next Acid release.

Hopefully this is the type of information you are looking for.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:3/18/2007 11:32:35 PM

Excellent BradlyMusic freakin excellent!!!!!!

Now is there any additional tweaks that you would like to see to any of these to suit your workflow individual needs?

Ed.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:3/19/2007 12:43:41 AM

Yes...One thing that I can think of right now.

18. Event Grouping.

In Vegas when you click on one of the events in a group, I would like it to select ALL the events that are within the group. It kind of does this in Vegas now, but it's hard to see when you are zoomed out. It seems to put an outline around the events which are in the group, but it is too hard to see exactly which events are grouped, especially when zoomed out. I usually end up moving the events just to recall which ones are grouped together. This way when I click on a single event, I can easily see exactly which events are grouped together and which ones collectively will be effected by any edit that I do to them.

I would also like to be able to Name the Group when I create it. For instance Group1:"Background Vocals", "Group2: Lead Vocals", "Group3: Cowbell Solo", "Group4:Glockenspiel Cadence" . So then I would eccentially then have some way of selecting a group from a list, and when I selected it in the list then all the events within that group would expose themselves by all of them being highlighted in the track view.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: feign

Date:3/19/2007 1:26:36 AM

Peter at Sony, you writing all these down?

Here's another one: a tiny but important feature fix...

Hide track name without hiding other event information, such as key adjustment values.

This is probably my main peeve with AP6 over AP5. The track name is only rarely needed, and it hides the waveform and envelopes on every clip. But I often need to be able to see the little + and - values for my clip key adjustments, so I'm stuck with the track name obliterating everything else at the same time.

Thus, AP7 needs a separate shortcut to hide/show event information AND a separate one to hide/show track name (which would sometimes be useful)

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: porkjelly

Date:3/19/2007 4:35:36 AM

Here's a tiny request I have too: Display folder tracks in bold type or make them easier to see. As it is, fonts virtually disappear within the clutter of icons and lines admist the tracklist.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Tomdini

Date:3/19/2007 7:07:07 AM

There are only two new features I really want to see in Acid Pro 7. They've been mentioned previously in this thread, but I shall reiterate them for emphasis.

1) A freeze function. Essential, at this point. Having it natively would be much better than FX Freeze, which mostly works but whose future is a bit dubious.

2) The ability to automate tempo with an envelope curve. I.e., for gradually slowing down or speeding up during a transition between tracks (remixes and such), and for creating a rubato effect for orchestral/piano pieces, etc. Has some other exciting musical uses too, I'm sure, but rubato should be enough! You hear me?!?! RUBATO!!!!!! ;-)

-Tom

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Flock of oscillators

Date:3/19/2007 10:57:22 AM

I think the midi learn function in Ableton Live is excellent. Press control+M then almost everything is available for midi learn. I wish Acid had this function.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/19/2007 2:53:54 PM

>>Easier midi mapping, example everything should be able to be mapped to a controller.

Not really a good "example".

What is "everything"?

Give me some examples of 1) what you want to map and 2) how you would use the 'mapping".

Be specific in the context of ACID 6.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: vespesian

Date:3/19/2007 3:10:06 PM

Re: the widescreen suggestion..

I find that the focus in AP6 'over' adjusts, like if you're working between two (graphically) remote areas of a track. In other words, if I snip one bit near the beginning and move to paste it to, let's say, another region near the end, it reverts back to the beginning 'copy' point - about 2 seconds later. I mighta wanted to paste it somewhere else near that end region, or just linger for a while or whatever. I have new pc with 22' LCD, but didn't do this - or was way less noticeable - on my old 17" CRT set-up. I use Vista, btw - but have not had any other problems (like, at all) in this configuration.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Weevil

Date:3/20/2007 6:27:16 AM

I’m not really sure what the previous poster is talking about but it reminds me of an annoyance I often have when working on building a loop.

I usually place the cursor at the start of the bar, zoom in or out and proceed to work on elements within the bar itself.

The problem is that zooming centres the cursor in the window. Everything you want to work on is to the right of the cursor while the entire half of the window to the left of the cursor is pretty much wasted space. Without resorting to dragging the window all over the place you can only really zoom in half as much as you’d like to.

You need the cursor at the start of the bar because you are continuously auditioning the loop. But the instant you change the zoom for any reason half the screen is wasted.

...I use a Add-on in Firefox that lets you zoom in and out on images by holding down a mouse button while spinning the mouse wheel. I think something similar could be good for this situation.

Spinning the mouse wheel zooms as normal. Holding down the left mouse button and spinning the wheel zooms but with the cursor placed near the left edge of the screen and holding the right button does the same but on the right hand side of the screen.

Holding a button and spinning the wheel feels a little unusual the first couple of times but very quickly becomes second nature.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: ATP

Date:3/20/2007 10:55:42 AM

what i really, really need is a simple 'mute event' option, so that when i have for example 6 events drawn of a single sample, i can mute 1 of the 6 without having to mute the entire track, or having to delete the event altogether.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Jay R

Date:3/20/2007 11:20:34 AM

1) FULL midi event list editing. If I edit controller data, the project should reflect that. I'm actually hoping this makes it into 6.0e.

2) User-specified count-in. And metronome functions appropriate to that.

3) Ability to record click (metronome) with tracks. For those of us doing collab work, this is key.

4) gradual tempo changes.

5) preview loops at original tempo (IOW, unstretched).

6) track freeze.

7) Better FX. Some kind of tie-in to the Oxford suite would be AWESOME.

8) Faster start-up.

9) Don't bloat!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Jay R

Date:3/20/2007 11:31:10 AM

Oh yeah, one more...

10) Just because I turn off my controller - don't lose track of it.

I had to REBOOT today because I turned off my UF-5 for a sec so it would fix the polarity of the sustain pedal. Acid instantly lost track of it, even closing and reopening my Acid session didn't fix it. I had to reboot. Aargh!!!!!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: BradlyMusic

Date:3/20/2007 12:38:25 PM

"what i really, really need is a simple 'mute event' option, so that when i have for example 6 events drawn of a single sample, i can mute 1 of the 6 without having to mute the entire track, or having to delete the event altogether."

See existing Vegas feature:
7. Right Click Event "Switches" options. Normalize, Mute, Lock, invert phase, loop.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Martian

Date:3/21/2007 5:51:07 PM

Acid 7 - wishes for improvement on workflow:

Maybe some of my wishes are already possible in ap6. If so I never found out :-)

1. Ability to adjust the volume envelopes on events to over 0 db (maybe +12 db). Instead of turning all envelopes down on events (to create headroom) and then raising the over all level on the trackslider.
2. Ability to send a single event on a track to a bus instead of having to create a new track first.
3. Highlighting of tracks that are routed to a specific bus when that bus is in solo/mute-mode. I use up to 24 busses at a time and It will simply fasten my work.
4. Ability to find the original folder of a file used in a track. This by using the “explore containing folder” but opening it in the main explorer instead of in a separate explorer.
5. Plug in list. A list of active/inactive plug-ins used on a project. Also showing which track/bus they are on.
6. I miss the opportunity to copy sections from one project to another. Let´s say I wanna re-use a folder track containing drums from another song to get the same feeling and sound throughout an entire album. This was possible in AP5. but not in AP6. Maybe it´s possible to actually make a function that gives the opportunity to save a folder-track as a separate (sub)file within the project. A xxx.sub.acd file that can be loaded into any other AP7 project. It could also be a Windows folder containing tha audio files of the folder track and a sub.acd file :-)
7. Undo parameters for loop-region. This is because it is annoying that I have to redo the parameters every time I change it by accident. (happens a lot :-/ )
8. Ability to choose how many times the event loops during a recording. When I “punch in” using the loop-region it keeps recording until I stop it. It could be cool to layer the recordings (or have an opportunity to separate them into clips of the length of the loop region) when recording by using this tool. That way I wouldn´t have to move, stretch and split layers when I want to use for instance the 5-th recording.

Alex

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Klirrfaktor

Date:3/22/2007 2:38:48 AM

1. a real mixer please !!!

2. abillity to group events to a group for better handling

3. abillity to resize multiple events at once

4. abillity to add fade to multiple events at once

5. pitch envelope for audio events

6. mute event option

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: H2000

Date:3/23/2007 10:16:54 AM

As an Acid and Vegas user, I too would like to see many, if not all, of the editing features of Vegas in Acid. For me the top one's would be event muting, grouping, method of "takes", ability to grab the edge of an event and timestretch it, waveform scaling when trimming events, and ... I'm sure I missed one or two good one's.

But, when considering of all of these differences, it got me to thinking about the biggest thing that I would like to see changed. That is, do away with the whole "clips" system and paintbrush. Acid 6 is a nice transitional piece, but if the aim is a full fledged DAW, then I think the whole paintbrush scenario has outlived it's usefullness. Instead, just treat tracks as tracks, and events as events and and put events wherever you want. You can still pull the edge to extend a loop event, and CTRL - click drag to copy events.

I'm sure that there are users who are used to the paintbrush tool and would have to adjust their workflow. But, the whole thing stems from the "one clip per track" of the past Acids, and it has blossomed into the multiple clips per track. I think the whole clip method creates more obstacles. Treat events as events and tracks as tracks and get on with it.

That's my view anyway.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: ozzborn

Date:3/23/2007 3:16:37 PM

i am sure i am going to get flamed for this.

i like the painting tool and 1 clip per track for audio, it makes copying data easier because everything went to the correct track. now sometimes you gotta copy it 2 and 3 times to make sure it lines up in the correct tracks. otherwise the fx sends,bus routing, and insert effects etc..are incorrect.


i want a better ACID, not another program.

flame on

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: thirdnostril

Date:3/26/2007 8:09:22 AM

I would like a volume fader on folder tracks. That way, I can mix my drums within themselves, and then just bring "the drums" up or down in the mix.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: kbruff

Date:3/26/2007 1:30:07 PM

I would totally use ACID as my main tool if and only if I could work like I can in Vegas, easier audio editing functons.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Jay R

Date:3/27/2007 8:39:30 AM

THANK YOU OZZBORN!!!

The multiple clip per track thing makes for tons of potential confusion and unnecessary complication, all in the name of saving some real estate. I thought the group folders did a good enough job on the real estate issue.

Bring back one clip per track!!!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: thenoizzbox

Date:3/27/2007 10:18:59 AM

In light of all the audio editing requests I've read... mine are more about workflow and MIDI editing.

MIDI:

1- I'd like the ability to right click or double click on a note in inline MIDI editing or the piano roll and be able to get at more of the basic note properties: level/velocity, note number, location in time (in ticks or whatever is the smallest increment, settable), note duration. basically what is available when editing a note event in Sonar.

2- To be able to use Drum maps in the piano roll.

Workflow:

1- more flexible effect routing and more flexible routing in general. The most glaring annoyance is of course the inability to route a synth or regular bus to an effects bus.

2- Someone else mentionned improving existing FX plugins and adding more. I agree. Some of the included plugins are looking quite dated by now. What I would especially like to see is a good compressor that can compress different frequency ranges differently (I forget how that is called).

3- The ability to drag and drop busses around to reorder them and maybe create "buss groups" that work similar to track folders but in the bus context.

That's all that,s coming to mind atm as I'm at work away from Acid. And please keep the audio engine mean, lean and efficient!

Thanks!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: KILNA

Date:3/29/2007 10:05:46 PM

Ditto on the KORE compatibility req. The existing problems make it unusable, and Sony's lack of response to the issue has been disconcerting.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Jay R

Date:4/3/2007 12:16:41 PM

One more...

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add a generic gui for gui-less VST plugs. The other major sequencers do. There are so many cool lite VSTi's and VST fx that fall in this category, and being unable to use them in Acid is really offputting. If I ever go back to Cubase, this would be a significant reason why.

-j-

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/3/2007 12:40:36 PM

Which GUI-less VSTs are not working?

What GUI-Less VST Insturments are you unable to use?

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Jay R

Date:4/4/2007 6:50:07 AM

Mda epiano
Mda jx-10
Loser compressor (though he's planning to release a gui)

There are more, but they're not springing to mind - I'm at work right now. I'm also not sure which of the Cubase VST's are unavailable because of the gui issue, and which are simply locked out of any non-Cubase app. Given the squirrely behavior of the ones they don't lock out (VB-4, for example), the Cubase VST's are probably not too great a loss.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/4/2007 11:00:39 AM

We do support VST FX that have no GUI.

We will consider supporting non GUI VST Instruments for a future release.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Jay R

Date:4/4/2007 12:52:25 PM

Thx SonyPCH!!!

Didn't know that about the FX.

-j-

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/4/2007 2:04:54 PM

>>Didn't know that about the FX.

I get requests for features that already exist all the time.

I thought you had run into a VST FX that didn't work correctly. That had me concerned.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: bjorn

Date:4/6/2007 10:11:58 AM

How about fixing the problem I have been trying to report in the thread "Warbled sound when recording (Beatmapped)"...?

Regards,
Bjorn

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: withagee

Date:4/8/2007 8:18:19 AM

in addition....
It would be nice to select an existing midi track header and have that "activate" the vst instrument channel for that track so when I play the keys, the instrument plays.

Right now, I have to scroll over to a midi clip on the track, select it, then play. In this example, I'm using kontakt 2 and m-audio keys.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/8/2007 11:22:34 AM

This is how it works today. The track focus auto routes any input to the synth of that track.

Perhaps you could offer the specific workflow you are doing?

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Flock of oscillators

Date:4/8/2007 8:50:44 PM

Improved Vst synths manager and correct labeling, I would like to have a way to put them in folders like the FX. And when there is more then one in my folder Acid labels them the same i.e. Kontakt has 8 out and 16 out but Acid only shows this as:
Kontakt
Kontakt
It is difficult to differentiate between the two.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/9/2007 7:17:24 AM

Correct Labeling:

This is really a plug in vendor issue. ACID provided the label/name that the plugin exposes.

The plug in vendor has complete control over the name of the synth. All they have to do is take the time to provide the correct name through the VST API.

Since many plugin vendors do not provide correct names we will address this in a future version.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: thenoizzbox

Date:4/9/2007 8:28:53 AM

I just thought of another thing under "workflow"

4- Unless there's a setting I'm missing that enables this already, I'd like to have the ability to open more than one softsynth properties window at a time. The one specific thing I'd use it for all the time is to open two DR-008 instances with different kits loaded in each to be able to drag and drop pads/sounds between them and tweak drum kits that way within Acid. This one softsynth properties window limitation is one of the most annoying limitations in Acid Pro 6 for me.

Thanks!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: withagee

Date:4/9/2007 2:04:58 PM

>>Perhaps you could offer the specific workflow you are doing?

OK after pumping all the caffiene out of my system, I slowed down enough to realize my process.
I select the track header, play the keys, hearing nothing I select a clip on the track...play the keys...hear the vst. Apparently this is just enough time for my active monitors to wake up and speak to me... I hear a knock...I think they're coming to take me away.....

How about this....With the explorer and mixer window taking up the bottom third of screen....when my track headers are minimized and I have piano roll active, I can see a representation of the "notes" on the midi track clips. When I select maximize or drag to maximize the track header it would save time if the notes in the maximized view were in the same visible orientation as the minimized view... without having to scroll to find them.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: tascolas

Date:4/12/2007 10:13:55 PM

Hi everybody. i haven't posted in quite a while but just reading this thread ,i can't help but submit my personal input as well ,but b4 this i must comment on some posts .
First of all what's with this ''freeze'' function that some of the guys want here? Freeze in general is supposed to freeze plugs or tracks for less cpu & ram consumption.This is practical in computers with lower than nowdays standards capability. The fact is (and anyone who's used it in such a computer setup knows it eg.p4@2ghz,512ram) that available versions of freeze atm take more time to freeze/unfreeze the freaking tracks than actually render/export them to audio and keep the midi or fx track for reference reasons. In my sense Fx Freeze sells for 49bucks ,just buy it if u need it plz. If what u guys are asking for a freeze-like function from Sony ,i think its time u got a faster comp (no offense of course ,i'm aware many ppl are not able to afford a new comp).
Then whats this with the fx offered in Acid ? Ok ,SX4 and Logic 7.xx effects might have slicker interfaces but soundwise (and timewise) Sony Fx deliver. EQ is gr8 ,comp is just fine , Delay is cool and the Acid filter is the best filter plug bundled within any sequencer imo. Also,thenoizzbox ,I dont mean to be rude but anyone i know who has a use for a multiband compressor knows what its called as well and has already bought at least one( there is freeware multiband comps as well)...Reminds me of Borat asking the car dealer to '' put in the car a p*ssy magnet'' lol ...
Ricknote says: ''But be careful not to turn this program into a bogged down monster''. Well...Its already one. Acid 1 was 3.5 mb (lol) and AP6 trial is 30 times bigger at 105mb. The thing that sets AP apart from the other code monsters is simple,innovative, intuitive interface and tools. Just take a look at AP1 and AP6 .The way they work and look is almost identical. Anyway here's my wishlist for AcidPro 7:

1 .Is it just me and noizzobx or more ppl who get really annoyed by the single FX and VSTi (''properties'') window view ? My projects are heavily loaded with tons of plugs of all sorts constantly. I use AP6 to record, compose, program,mix and remix. A typical track of mine may include 50-60 audio and midi tracks and 20-50 vst fx and synths. Why on earth do i have to click the synth properties or the respective track fx button each time for every different fx or synth to bring up its view? Its time consuming and destroys the flow when u have to compare settings between various fx or synths.Some of my clients are SX and Sonar users and were definitely put off by this. Many times i have to use the printscreen button ,open paint, paste and repeat this many times,then adjust the various fx previews pictures in my screens to check the settings between various drumtracks. For biggers drumsets that consist of 10-12 channels or even more its impossible to compare eq,gate,comp settings at once within AP6 or any AP. I've been working with multiple monitors 6-7 yrs now. Acid was the first to my knowledge music soft with really independent dockable/resizable windows that u can put anywhere in your work area and outside your main arrangement window which was a great innovation by all means. Acid was the main reason for me to move to soft from hardware,then to dual display view and later on to triple. Wouldn't it sound unfair and bitter to say that innovation died with Sonic Foundry? Recent midi and vst(i) improvements in AP prove that at least some ppl still care. If so,then why are we still limited with a single fx and synth view plz? Comparison of fx and synth settings MUST be a snap in any professional enviroment ,so unlimited fx and synth windows plz.

2. I agree on either the Sonar's ACT technolgy or either the Ableton midi learn function. As far as i can tell Ableton's way of midi learn is more easily adopted than Sonar's ACT and is very intuitve,works like a breeze. Watching the ACT video demo on the other hand may make some jaws drop so any way possible of instant midi learn is quite welcome if not a must.

3. HUI support plz. Complements the midi learn implementation anyway. If u have to have some way of instant midi learn function u 've got to have universal support for controllers as well.

4. Any or all Vegas audio features mentioned in the previous posts in this thread is a welcome addition to AP7.Bring 'em on plz

5. I m not gonna ask for a ''full fledged realworldlike mixer''again as i did for AP6. But proper send/return plz? Fx return should at least be able to be assigned to a track . So many times times have i wanted to compress that reverb tail without compressing the audio signal as well,but to no avail ...Also,another annoyance of the lack of real send/return is when u pause a track with reverb or any other time based send/return type of effect on it the sound just stops. In any other sequencer u can hear the tail of the effect which is how it should be as it's the same paradigm as having various channels spread out on a console with aux sends and pressing the pause on your multitrack.
6. "we need a tick box that in the Explorer to give us the option to preview audio without time stretching."
By all means this is important,plz add it.

7. May i also add polyphonic preview of audio files.In other words not one preview fader but lets say 4 or even better 8 faders. Just consider that a ton of people were drawn to Acid just for the fact that it could play loops stretched without even adding them to the arrangement. But that was almost ten years ago.So now that a lot of other soft have copied this one way or another ,i think its time for a step ahead in previewing.

8.As also mentioned fix the midi cc edit window plz. When u want to edit a single cc event ,its much more easy to just punch in the numeric value than adjusting an envelope.

9.Beatmapper -Fix this thing or just dump it plz. (Actually i think we should also have a dump list along with the wish list hehe). Even mixmeister understands a silent intro in a track and adjusts it in the timeline correctly.In beatmapper when u select the first downbeat, the program actually throws everything else before the downbeat away,which degrades beatmapper from what its supposed to do to a useless bpm counter. Things are getting worse when u beatmap human played audio with lots of ''ahead'' or ''behind the groove'' playing by the musicians. I gave it a shot too many times and rarely use beatmapper now. It take less time to cut a human played piece in 2-4 bar correct segments in soundforge than to beatmap it in Ap.

Lastly, i apologize for the long thread .Plz feel free to correct me in any topic if u know something i dont or think i was wrong,cheers all ,hope AP7 satisfies most of the users.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: RandyL

Date:4/14/2007 1:40:43 PM

Its not what I'd like to see added, but what I'd like to see removed.

Please remove Media Manager, or make it a option to use.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/14/2007 5:28:57 PM

It already is an option to use or not.

You can disable it from ACID's General Preference page.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: RandyL

Date:4/14/2007 6:33:37 PM

Okay Peter, let me rephrase it.
Get rid of Media manager entirely, ot make it a option to install,
Problem is it auto installs, so your stuck with it. On XP not that bad as it doesnt create any additional problems. However, when trying to install Pro 6 on Vista, since there is no choice, media manager installs amd then there are a whole lot of problems that would be avoided. I actually had to reformat and reinstall everything to get the computer running again. Of course now I dont have Acid on it. Do have Alberton on it, no problems at all.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: feign

Date:4/14/2007 7:00:32 PM

I strongly agree with RandyL: make Media Manager an optional install in the first place. Sure, the user can disable it after installing. But then it ends up as just more clutter and unnecessarily-used hard disk space (something that annoys me with nearly every program I install...all those never-used add-ons and multiple readme files and so on all adds up). There is certainly a sizable proportion of Acid Pro users (including me) who never use Media Manager, so please make it an optional install.

At the same time, make Media Manager something that people might be more attracted to use. All it does for me is makes Acid Pro take ten times longer to start up than without it. To me, its minimal usefulness in categorizing loops is not worth the lag time when using Acid.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/14/2007 8:14:55 PM

I know, this is not what you want to hear, but we have made if very clear what our Vista support policy is. Currently only Sound Forge 9 is supported under Windows Vista.

To be completely clear:

ACID 6 is not supported under any version of Microsoft Vista.

Please see our Windows Vista Users forum for our plans for Vista.

Media Manager:

I have said this many times before, but I will repeat it again:

The MM is part of the ACID 6.0 product. There are currently no plans to release an update for ACID 6 that will change this.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/14/2007 8:18:01 PM

>>There is certainly a sizable proportion of Acid Pro users (including me) who never use Media Manager, so please make it an optional install.<<

We are considering user feedback on this issue for a future version - not an update to ACID 6 - of ACID.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Weevil

Date:4/15/2007 12:16:20 AM

>We are considering user feedback on this issue for a future version - not an update to ACID 6 - of ACID.

Well this is certainly different to the line we have heard before. And is indeed good news.

Very happy to hear this, well done.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: alltheseworlds

Date:4/16/2007 6:02:48 AM

Yep, would rather it was optional too.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: frogman06

Date:4/26/2007 1:09:19 PM

Just a quick thought.....
Click on a note on the midi piano,hold mouse button down ,move the note up or down the piano , release .
Quick global change of pitch & midi # to all notes.
Frog

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: miquel

Date:4/30/2007 11:58:08 AM

Preferences: Check/Unckeck Activate Rewire when loading

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Martian

Date:5/3/2007 3:36:52 PM

1.Drop and drag grooves to a folder track, applying it on all the tracks within this folder
2.I use Acid for drum programming and I really miss a feature similar to the groovepool where the velocity/amplitude of the samples is also affected. I do the trimming manually today and it takes some time to do it.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: drbam

Date:5/4/2007 6:33:02 AM

1. User selected Default Audio Fade Types (like Vegas)

2. The simple but essential "project media pool" (like Vegas USED to have, and has been removed for no reason that makes sense to many of us long time users).

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: J Psycle

Date:5/10/2007 12:32:24 PM

Here's another feature suggestion:

You know what would be amazing is if you could preview loops in realtime while using the "Replace with New File" function in the Clip Properties window. Also, I would want a user selectable option to default preview as one shot, beatmapped , or loop mode (as well as be able to set the stretching method used in loops).

This would be a huge breakthrough for remixing purposes among other things I think.

EZ,

J

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Sarmad

Date:5/19/2007 12:27:30 PM

These changes will make me switch totally from sonar to Acid

1. The Ability to open outputs of a multi-out vsti's as tracks rather than in the mixer area .

e.g

right now when you open multi-out bfd in acid, you get all the outputs in the mixer area, which limits you to only insert type effects...I'd like to be able to use send return type effects with bfd... In order to do that I have to render the drums (which is a hassle)

2. Ability to drag and drop clips from one track to another (right now you have to copy and then past it). it'd be lovely to have it just like vegas.

3. Midi editing in the track view is good, but it'd be great if one could also edit the midi clips in clip edit view in reference to the song.

e.g

right now when you edit a clip which starts on the 58th bar of a song in the clip edit view, you see the clip starting from bar 1, which makes it difficult to judge it in relation to the song... It'd be good to also have a ruler which shows where in the song it's at and where it ends ... This is particularly useful when recording live midi tracks like e-drums.

4. Switches like reverse, invert, and normalize (like in vegas) would be great.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: mitchgh

Date:5/20/2007 2:03:42 PM

>>Ability to gradually slow the tempo of an individual track.

>>Related to this: ability to gradually change the key of an individual track.

I second this proposal. Would be very useful.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Martian

Date:5/23/2007 1:45:44 PM

It could be cool to be able to set markers for the metronome so it can turn of at a certain point in a recording.

Alex

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: metaforensics

Date:5/25/2007 11:57:22 AM

Backwards compatability..So you can render/ or save projects an older versions of Acid in case you need to open them up else where, or just need to use an older version of Acid for some reason..

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: GrupoJyT

Date:5/27/2007 9:59:24 PM

Include clipping leds by track and put a clipping list button, so when you play a project from the begining to end, each track finishes with a list of all clipping points and the clipping led remains red.

The clipping led will be usefull to prevent track clipping and adjust the overall volume for the project or, for specific tracks.

The "track clipping list button" functionality will be usefull to use the volume envelope to adjust the volume at specific times. or review the project at specific times to make fine tuning of compressors.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: wafalcon

Date:5/30/2007 9:18:29 PM

Hello:

I think suggestions by: BradlyMusic are very strong and all a must So they are very worth looking into.

Here is my list added to BradlyMusic :

1. I am currently using Cakewalk because of its score view and MIDI workflow. Acid and Cakewalk have a lot in common so I think it would really benefit ACID to copy the midi functions of Sonar / Cakewalk. Score view is very important to me because I can find problems much quicker and need the ability to print out sheet music.

2. I wish ACID can add Antiras plugging. Sonar has V-Vocal and I use it a lot, but if ACID Could add Antiras plugging it would beat Sonar in many ways.

I have this wish but it is probably not realistic. I wish that besides the stand alone software Sony would also combine all of them into one huge program, into one interface. Now that would be a breakthrough! So Trimmer/Chopper can work with all the capabilities of Sound forge, Vegas and Acid capabilities combined, and CD/DVD Architect can work right off the timeline so there would be no need to render the project out. It would be so awesome, no more overlapping of functions but instead they would be in one place combined. So if someone needs only Acid they can buy standalone Acid, but if some one needs everything they can just buy the all in one suite.

Anyway, I hope some one can relate to my suggestion, and hopefully Sony software designers are reading the comments because almost all of the suggestions are very valuable!

Have a wonderful rest of the day!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: Ekzpi

Date:6/7/2007 11:18:44 AM

NEW IDEA:

(1) Instead of saving plug-in chains. How bout we skip that part and be able to add tracks with those chains already attached by creating templates. So if we were to right click and add a new track, we can pick what kind, ie Vocal FX.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0

Reply by: VMP

Date:6/7/2007 3:30:31 PM

- Spectrum analyzer, for mastering, viewing FQ peak etc.
- Different Folder track color.

Would be handy.

V

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: RedStone

Date:6/8/2007 10:45:17 AM

EDL export (always good to be able to take your tracks down to a better studio and mix it in a good space - even if they don't have acid).
more general stability - v6b was the most stable for me - and people like stability.
cross talk from newer to older versions and visa versa
utilize the most current rewire (*not just v1)
At least a 32bit internal floating point
HP and LP filters on track compressor
how about a limiter?
More bands on the track EQ
METERS ON EACH TRACK - I can't stress that enough - mixing is less intuative in Acid than other programs because there are no meters (unless you buss everything).

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/9/2007 10:42:13 AM

>>utilize the most current rewire (*not just v1)
ACID has always supported ReWire 2 both as a host and a client.

What ReWire 2 features do you believe you are missing?

>>At least a 32bit internal floating point

Always have done 32 bit internal floating point audio.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: RedStone

Date:6/11/2007 8:57:01 AM

hmm ...

I was under the impression that Acid 6 could only do audio streams for rewire - so even if you had a midi instrument, it would only send out the audio stream, and not any midi data. I remember a while back trying to synch up Acid with another program using midi timecode and it wouldn't work.

I didn't know that Acid used 32-bit float - is that included in the specs or manual? I totally missed that somehow .. lol!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/12/2007 7:44:42 AM

When ACID is a ReWire Mixer/host, it will send MIDI data to the ReWire device (i.e. Reason). This allows you to "play" the synths in Reason using MIDI from ACID's time line or even live.

When ACID is a ReWire Device connect to a Host (Cubase, Sonar, PTools), ACID does not expose its MIDI "devices" as there is no point. ACID's MIDI "devices" are either hardware or softsynths. Since all of these hosts can host VST Instruments (or other softsynths), we felt there was no point in exposing ReWire MIDI ports. I doubt that any user is dying to use the DLS soft synth in ACID externally.

Now, if ACID was an "instrument" - i.e. you could trigger loops and other samples using MIDI - then it would make great sense to expose MIDI through its ReWire Device interfaces.

Additionally, many ReWire Hosts have problems in that they don't dynamically listen and adjust for changes to the MIDI topology of a ReWire Device. ACID would have no choice but to allocate and remove its ReWire MIDI ports dynamically. This could be problematic at best.

Do you believe you need ACID the ReWire Device to recieve MIDI so as to be able to trigger its internal softsynths with your host?

WRT floating point.
I am sure it is documented somewhere. It has always been this way and discussed 1000's of times here and on other forums. With rare exceptions, DAWs have been using normalized floating point audio from day 1.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Illogical

Date:6/12/2007 9:37:21 AM

Better/newer/different plug-ins...especially tempo-synced ones (delays, modulators, compressors), and also preferably a compressor that allows some sort of side-chain routing (which I don't think there's any real way to do in Acid).

I'm just tired of all the plug-ins we've got...they're ok but not inspiring, and they haven't changed in years. Better distortion, multiple EQ's and compressors, some more quirky stuff...all guaranteed to work smoothly and efficiently with the Acid engine.

A good suite of plug-ins and some minor workflow improvements (drag from track to track, In-line MIDI editing behaving more intuitively and helpfully (eg zoom where the data is), that'd be enough for me to throw down $100 for an upgrade.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: alltheseworlds

Date:6/14/2007 4:48:24 PM

Ability to rout a synth to an assignable effects channel. I'm simply amazed that Acid can't already do this !

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: RedStone

Date:6/18/2007 7:55:46 AM

Now, if ACID was an "instrument" - i.e. you could trigger loops and other samples using MIDI - then it would make great sense to expose MIDI through its ReWire Device interfaces ... Do you believe you need ACID the ReWire Device to recieve MIDI so as to be able to trigger its internal softsynths with your host?

hmm, yeah I'd just like to use Kompakt as well as looping within Acid 6 as a rewire device. the big thing for me is smooth cross talk between programs - so no matter where the cursor is set in either program, the other will respond accordingly and playback.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/18/2007 9:57:02 AM

>>hmm, yeah I'd just like to use Kompakt as well as looping within Acid 6 as a rewire device.<<

You can use Kompakt in ACID when rewired to a host.

You can also do 'looping" in ACID when rewired to a host.

What is it you really want when it comes to ReWire?

>>so no matter where the cursor is set in either program, the other will respond accordingly and playback<<

This works and is fundamental to ReWire.

Do you have experiance to the contrary on this area when using ACID rewired to a host or as a ReWire host?

How extensive is your experiance with ReWire both in ACID and with other hosts/products?

No offense, but it seems to me that you are asking for stuff with out knowing exactly what it is for. Technology for Technology's sake vs a real problem you need solved.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: aafuss

Date:7/1/2007 9:18:22 PM

Podcasts-support for authoring,and export to a online podcasting host service.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Lossl ben Hossl

Date:7/10/2007 4:58:18 PM

1) drag and drop between tracks (should have already been "fixed" in AP6 imo)

2) effect / instrument windows that adjust the size; even if the previously used effect / instrument window has been larger than the current one (also long overdue imo)

3) output meters for each track, or even better: a mixer view

4) probably too late to be integrated in AP7: basic destructive audio editor functions. yes, i have Sound Forge, but hey- we´re talking about how to make ACID Pro perfect

5) also probably too late for an AP7 wish list, but different time stretching algorithms like in Ableton Live would be cool

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: miquel

Date:7/11/2007 1:54:23 AM

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Lossl ben Hossl

Date:7/11/2007 2:49:47 AM

it´s not that i am not perfectly happy with Acid´s stretching algorithms, and to be honest i haven´t really messed with Live. and only know from hearsay that it has different stretching algorithms/settings.

maybe they aren´t even all that, but i imagine it couldn´t be too bad having different ones to toy with aswell

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: thenoizzbox

Date:7/11/2007 7:47:34 PM

In addition to my earlier posts, I recently got a new and very powerful computer that runs under Vista Ultimate 64. Support for Vista in AP7 would definitely be a must for me at this point but I think support for 64bit Vista (and XP) would be even better. 64bit OSes and processors are not somewhere on thye horizon anymore, they're here now and the performance boost that 64bit computing brings is very real.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: ScarKord

Date:7/12/2007 2:49:48 AM

You can already resize the effect / instrument windows. Just double-click on the title bar and they change to the size of the plugin.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Lossl ben Hossl

Date:7/12/2007 3:37:08 AM

yes, but most other DAWs do that automatically

i am no programmer, but i don´t think that it´s too hard to implement (probably only the command that is triggered when you double click manually is needed to achieve that)

so it´s basically already inside Acid, it just needs to be copy/pasted into the "window opening" part of the program

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Rabbit

Date:7/14/2007 8:08:30 PM

I'm repeating some things others said but...these things I'd make use of right away.
1) the effects plug-ins aren't very inspiring. A re-vamp of the effects suite would be nice.
2)I A volume fader on folder tracks. Like mentioned above...(I group the same instruments with a folder track. For example...guitar folder, drum folder, bass folder) I could mix tracks within the tracks relative to each other. If I wanted to raise the volume of just the guitar folders..then I can just raise one slider...not four or five.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: DJ Jock

Date:7/25/2007 7:00:29 PM

I wish for:

1. No CRASHES
2. Auto-chopper (a good chopper)
3. Project Folders
4. more plug-in

I know SONY can come up with some good stuff

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: dreamcitadel

Date:7/28/2007 5:49:15 AM

I only have a few things but they are not "make or break" items-

1. Better support/recognition for external devices (such as M-Audio's Axiom series controllers, etc)

2. Native Support for Control surfaces such as Tascams FW1884, etc.

3. A cool soft synth with major features and expression (such as Sculpture by Apple, or Sampletank)

4. More accuracy/flexibility in Beatmapper.

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Ekzpi

Date:8/14/2007 6:47:47 PM

I want to be able to label my i/o!!!!!!

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Paulstone

Date:9/17/2007 12:31:44 PM

Hello there i'm new Acid user , i add my preference for ap7 hehehe :

1°Better rewire slave and master
2°Better vst-vsti implementation and automation
3°Better and new plug-ins
4°Better and new Mixer with bus in and out
5°Resample (direct track to track recording or vsti to track recording )
6°Midi learn assegnable for all object
7°Better compatibility for digidesign HD PCIe hardware ( with asio driver )
now i have big problem to use my digidesign 192 i/o and Acid .
8* Instrument track
9° Better UAD PCIe compatibility (now crash many time)

ciao !

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: pwppch

Date:9/17/2007 8:28:03 PM

>>1°Better rewire slave and master
>>2°Better vst-vsti implementation and automation

Better how? Be specific.

Thanks
Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: Paulstone

Date:9/18/2007 12:58:45 PM

Hi Peter

(1°Better rewire slave and master ) :

in slave with protools Acid Pro 6d lost the tempo sync !

some time Acid Pro 6 with reason 3.04 slave crash

(2°Better vst-vsti implementation and automation) :

multiout instruments and full automation can't see for vsti .

Peter please help , i have problem with Acid pro and my hardware Digidesign HD with asio driver , this asio problem i have only with Acid pro

Normally when i launch one asio application like Ableton , Reason , Reaktor , etc etc , the digidesign 192 i/o interface when is done for work made one relè start
for operating ready ( 3 green led)

When i launch Acid my digidesign 192 i/o it becomes crazy and repeat many time relè start for work (10/12 time )
also if i open the preference window of acid repeat this
problem , or also when i made render to disk the same problem !

i have all last digidesign driver and this problem is only with acid pro 6
I have send one message to sony but whithout resolving reply .

please info sony for this problem !

AMD 64 6000+ Gigabyte GA-M55S-S3 4 GB ECC ram , PTHD 3 PT 7.3.1 + 192i/o

sorry for my english if need i make one clip film for see this problem !

best regards
Paolo

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: pwppch

Date:9/18/2007 11:13:43 PM

1°Better rewire slave and master ) :

in slave with protools Acid Pro 6d lost the tempo sync !

some time Acid Pro 6 with reason 3.04 slave crash

We have not seen the problem with ProTools. Can you provide more information and details?

Can you provide a case that cause the crashing?

Have you contact the Propellerheads regarding the crashing?

(2°Better vst-vsti implementation and automation) :

multiout instruments and full automation can't see for vsti .

ACID allows you to use all of the buses of a multi bus VSTi. It exposed all of the parameters that a VSTi does for automation. Please refer to the ACID User Manual for details on how to properly use VSTis in ACID.

Peter please help , i have problem with Acid pro and my hardware Digidesign HD with asio driver , this asio problem i have only with Acid pro

Normally when i launch one asio application like Ableton , Reason , Reaktor , etc etc , the digidesign 192 i/o interface when is done for work made one relè start
for operating ready ( 3 green led)

When i launch Acid my digidesign 192 i/o it becomes crazy and repeat many time relè start for work (10/12 time )
also if i open the preference window of acid repeat this
problem , or also when i made render to disk the same problem !

i have all last digidesign driver and this problem is only with acid pro 6
I have send one message to sony but whithout resolving reply .

please info sony for this problem !

We do not have this hardware available so there is not much help we can provide you. Have you contacted Digi?

I will see if any of our beta testers use this type of Digi hardware to see if they have the same problems.

Peter

Subject:RE: Sony Acid 7.0 wish list

Reply by: alltheseworlds

Date:9/19/2007 2:13:57 AM

I wish AcidPro 7 gets released before the Sonar 7 offer expires so I can see where to best spend my money ;-)