Subject:Rewire 2

Posted by: DANADAX

Date:12/13/2006 12:35:09 PM

I know I mentioned this in the past, but somewhere along the line Acid should implement Rewire 2 technology. Some of you said basically "what's the use?" but I find myself working with Reason a lot, and it'd be nice to select individual FX boxes from the program and use them as FX boxes in Acid Pro. If we all said "what's the use?" then nothing new would ever get implemented. If adding the technology requires more than an online update to the program (i.e. actual upgrade to new version) then I understand, and will wait patiently in the wings for it to be in the program some day. I am not bashing the program, in fact, I enjoy using Acid Pro a lot.

Subject:RE: Rewire 2

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/13/2006 3:06:02 PM

You seem to be confused as to what ReWire 2 provides over ReWire1.

The ReWire spec does not define the behavoir you desire. The Audio path in ReWire (1 or 2) is from the Device to the Mixer or Host. That is you cannot send audio from a ReWire Host (ACID) to a ReWire Device (Reason) for processing.

ReWire 2 defined how MIDI can be communicated between the ReWire Host and ReWire Device.

ACID when running as a ReWire Host is ReWire 2 compatible.
When ACID is run as a ReWire Host, it permits sending MIDI to a ReWire Device (Reason).

ACID, when running as a ReWire Device, only supports streaming Audio to the ReWire Host. It does not expose any MIDI inputs/outputs to permit the Host to "trigger" its softsynths. This means that the ReWire Host that has ACID "wired' into it, cannot send MIDI data to trigger ACID's VST Instruments.

Hope this clears things up.

Peter

Subject:RE: Rewire 2

Reply by: DANADAX

Date:12/13/2006 4:17:09 PM

Well, what I mean is:

Take Cubase for example. They have an option where say if you want to use Reason's delay effect on a sound inside Cubase itself, you can select a Reason FX module to load into the program like a VST or VSTi. Say if I have a sample or loop in Acid Pro, and I want to use Reason's delay or some other Reason FX box on the sound, I would like for Acid to be able to load individual components of the Reason program as a plug-in (such as the delay, for example), similar to how VSTs or VSTis are loaded into Acid, but in this case, it'd be an FX unit from Reason loaded into Acid, applying an effect to the desired sample/loop. Does this make sense?

Subject:RE: Rewire 2

Reply by: DANADAX

Date:12/13/2006 4:38:56 PM

And what I said above is relevant to Rewire 2, because I read somewhere that Cubase was only capable of doing the above action I described because of Rewire 2 technology's capabilities in mixing programs.

Subject:RE: Rewire 2

Reply by: DANADAX

Date:12/13/2006 4:40:00 PM

So of course I realize then that Acid has the same potential in using the same type of idea, or I would hope anyways.

Subject:RE: Rewire 2

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/13/2006 5:41:26 PM

Really?!?

Propellerhead's format for Reason FX filters are proprietary. They do not publish this standard.

I have looked at both SX3 and Cubase 4 and have found no way to route the audio of Cubase into Reason for processing or to load a Reason FX plugin into Cubase.

Could you provide me with steps as to how you are doing this in Cubase with Reason and/or its FX?

Peter

Subject:RE: Rewire 2

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/13/2006 5:42:59 PM

ReWire 2 specified MIDI input and output from a ReWire Device. ReWire 1 did not have the ability to route MIDI between the host and device. You had to use real MIDI ports (or virtual ones) to accomplish this. ReWire 2 also defined further naming conventions on ReWire Device buses. It did not define Audio from host to device or a plugin model that would permit a host to load Reason Plugins. (They are independent of ReWire and proprietary to Propellerheads and Reason.)

Where did you read this? I would be very interested in this. Have you actually done this with Cubase or another host?

If you read this on some other forum, could you point me to the forum so I could follow up on this?

Peter

Subject:RE: Rewire 2

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/13/2006 5:44:28 PM

Again, there is nothing in the ReWire SDK or specifications that permit what you want.

Reason's FX plugins are proprietary to Reason and the Propellerheads as far as I know. If you have a source for your information, I would love to read up on this as we do want ACID to fully support all aspects of ReWire.

Thanks
Peter

Subject:RE: Rewire 2

Reply by: coolout

Date:12/14/2006 4:50:23 PM

Reason doesn't have an audio input or audio tracks.

The effects in reason are only for the synth modules included.

Not to mention the most of the effects in reason are pretty basic.

You're better off just using acid's effects or some freeware vsts.

Subject:RE: Rewire 2

Reply by: RedStone

Date:1/9/2007 8:17:55 AM

If you use ASIO 4 All, and have their rewire-like app installed, you will be able to use Reason as a rewire host to another program like Cubase or Acid, so then you should theoretically be able to send a track in Cubase through any of Reason's inputs and thus through an effect .... of course, I haven't tried this exact scenario - so I don't know for sure if it would work.

Subject:RE: Rewire 2

Reply by: waynegee

Date:1/9/2007 8:01:22 PM

There is a way using the ReBirth Input Machine in Reason that allows audio to be played thru the Reason FX...you need either the latest Asio4All, which has the ReWuschel feature...Basically, this is a ReWire input interface to the ASIO4ALL engine. The installation of ReWuschel is optional, as it replaces the functionality of the "ReBirth Input Machine" in Reason. This means that ASIO4ALL essentially will pretend to be ReBirth, so you cannot use ReBirth in Reason with the ReWuschel option enabled - keep that in mind! Note also that it only works if ASIO4ALL is selected as the current ASIO driver. Not sure if you can re-route audio from Cubase or other to Reason but live audio is possible.

The other option is Hammer from PeterTools. This will only let you play live audio, such as a guitar or voice, thru the Reason FX, Maelstrom filters or Vocoder.

HTH,
WG